11 - Introducing Paul Chek and The Last 4 Doctors You'll Ever Need

Paul Chek describes where it all began for him, his background, how and why he started the CHEK Institute and how and why he came up with the 1-2-3-4 Model and The 4 Doctor Model and why they are so important to human health and performance.

We discussed:

3:37

Paul's upbringing and professional background 

14:15

Fighting on The American Army Boxing Team

17:59

Training The American Army Boxing Team

22:13

How Paul got great results

30:20

Inventing the concept of 'The Core'

34:48

Charles Poliquin's encouragement to start The CHEK Institute

36:57

Lecturing around the world

38:23

The concept of The 1-2-3-4

44:23

How The 4 Doctor Model Was Created

51:08

The 4 Doctor Songs

54:33

Rehabilitating medically retired athletes

56:40

Trained 11 out of 12 of The American Olympic Boxing Team

1:01:37

People are lacking most in Dr Happiness

1:07:56

Religious programming

1:11:39

Stop bullshitting yourself

1:16:16

Spirit Gym

1:24:41

Quickfire Questions

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Transcript

Paul Chek: So if a person doesn't want to take an adult position in their relationship with their body, then they are going to be a perfect target for the medical industry and many other industries. You don't need a lot of brainpower to look at television and see them spraying with crop dusters and see people wearing hazmat suits to spray **** on food, to ask yourself, well, if they've got to protect themselves from the chemicals or spraying on the food, why should I be eating it? I mean, if you have two brain cells holding hands, you should be smart enough to go, that's not a good idea. But people do it without even thinking about it. Okay? So in a nutshell, stop bullshitting yourself and participate in your own life or it will be taken from you at great expense.

Announcer: Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast with your host, Lee Brandon. If you enjoy the podcast, please leave a five star rating and the warm review. Your opinions are important and your ratings help grow the podcast and help educate people to lead a healthier, more productive, fulfilling and happy life. If video is your thing, please check out the Radical Health Rebel YouTube channel where you'll find fun bite sized clips from each episode. And now, here is Lee, the radical health rebel, with this week's podcast.

Leigh: Paul Check. Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. How are you?

Paul Chek: Better than most. Better than most, I'm sure.

Leigh: Thank you. Excellent. So today's episode is entitled introducing Paul CHEK and the Last Four Doctors You'll Ever Need. Over the last 30 years or so. The man who's had probably the biggest influence on the health and fitness industry and certainly on my own education, is my guest on today's episode. He was the first guy I heard talk about Swiss balls in the mid 1990s, the first guy I heard talk about functional training in the early two thousand s, and the first guy I heard talk about shamanism and plant medicines in the mid 2000’s. All things that were controversial then, but are now accepted household terms worldwide. A man who I've heard described as the Swiss ball guy, the functional training guy, a cult leader, a nut job, a wizard, a living legend, a genius, and many other descriptions. A man who has split opinion in the world of health, wellness and fitness. But one who I found through my own studies with him to be a pioneer, but also someone whose teachings, time after time, have proven to be effective in the hundreds of people I've helped regain their health and achieve optimal performance. Someone who I regard as my teacher, mentor, colleague, co-author and friend. So I'm really excited to have you, Paul, on the Radical Health Rebel podcast.

Paul Chek: Thank you. It's fun to be here. I always love sharing great stuff.

Leigh: So to kick things off, Paul, what I'd really love for you to do is to share with the Radical Health rebel audience a little bit about you. Now, I know you've told this story a thousand times on your own podcast, but a story that I never get tired of hearing. So could you tell us about where it all began for you? Your childhood, your upbringing, your background and your career up to the point when you started the CHEK Institute?

Paul Chek: Yeah, because that's a long story, so I'll kind of give you the Reader's Digest version. I was born in Los Angeles. My father died when I was eight. But my mother had and father had split when I was very young, I think three. And she met my stepfather who was a special effects man for Universal Studios and had a degree in agriculture. And they had friends living on Vancouver Island. So over the course of a couple of years they decided to move us all to Vancouver Island because they really wanted to get out of Los Angeles and they felt that it was a better place to raise kids. And also they both had an interest in farming and particularly in sheep. My mother's a crafts person, a weaver, a spinner. She knits things. She's a sculptor and potter and does all sorts of things. So my parents came up with this idea. Well, first we moved from La to Idaho and we had a pig farm for three years. Then we moved from there to Cottage Grove, Oregon. And so their first step out of La was Idaho. Then from there they decided they wanted to move to Vancouver Island. And so they did organize to buy a large farm which was what's called Green Belt Land in British Columbia. It means it's protected land that you can't cut the trees down. You have to manage it in a very specific way that's determined by the government. It's called the Homestead Program. So once they landed this 142 acre farm they moved to Cottage Grove, Oregon with us kids. And we had another sheep farm there. But my father was going around to various breeders who were known to have a high incidence of black sheep because black wool is very rare and it's a natural state. So my father collected a whole cattle truck full of rams that were known to produce black offspring. So we immigrated to Canada with a whole bunch of sheep in 1009 too. And then my parents started then was called the Abundance Black Sheep Farm. And we had between 100 and 120 sheep. They bought a woolen factory and outfitted one of our large barns with a woolen factory. We had horses, chickens, pigs, cows, goats. We raised produce and sold produce. We sold firewood. And so it was a fully functional working farm. And my mother became a member of the Self Relation Fellowship when I was twelve, which was a great relief for me because I found Christianity to be very confusing, nonsensical. Nobody could answer my questions. And so as an eight year old child, I was worried how adults could believe in such a thing, because it didn't make any sense to me. But once my mother joined the Self Realization Fellowship, which is the teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda, it had a huge stabilizing effect on the family, and I could get all my questions answered. And so my life on the farm was very holistic because my mother is a yogi, and she studied holism and practiced holism. There were periods of time where my parents didn't have a lot of money, so we lived pretty much fully off the farm. We slaughtered our own animals, raised our own produce, made our own cheese, milked our own cows, pretty much everything. We could literally live off the land, and we often did. So in that environment. I was involved, as you can imagine, every day in the care of animals and the raising of crops. And I learned a lot about how farming works, how nature works. I was also getting exposed to meditation at an early age and various meditation techniques. When I was 15. My 15th summer, my mother sent me to summer camp with the Self Realization Fellowship monks here in Los Angeles. And so I really learned a lot there, and I had kind of like a big opening experience there. And again, I was able to get every question I could throw at the monks answered, which gave me a great sense of reassurance on many levels. And they were very grounded and loving, unlike anything I'd ever experienced in a Christian church, where this is how it is, and if you ask any questions, you should just shut up, follow our rules exactly, and that's otherwise you're going to burn in hell kind of story. So I also had a very, very athletic life. I began wrestling in the first grade, and then I just loved all sports, so I played every sport I could. I became a competitive motocross racer when I was 15, ended up getting sponsored by a Honda dealership that allowed me to race because I could have never afforded to race. Motocross is very expensive. So fortunately, I was fast enough that this big dealership wanted to sponsor me, and so I spent a few years racing motocross. I also got heavy into boxing and fought for many years as a boxer and ultimately ended up on the army boxing team in the military and then became the trainer of the army boxing team. I also raised stock cars, very competitively and set three track records my first year, which was fun and exciting. I was a drag racer. I built my own engines. When I was 18, I went to trade school to be for automotive and industrial repair. So I became a qualified mechanic. And so that was one of the ways I kept myself fed in the early years. So what happened is, ultimately the economy on Vancouver Island was so poor that I had to figure out how to feed my family because the logging industry crashed at that time and unemployment rates were approaching 20%, so it was just really hard to survive. And I had a child. My son Paul Jr. Was born when I just turned 18. And my parents didn't have any money. Her parents didn't have any money. So I pretty just much just I left home at 16, so there was no fear of not being able to make it. It was just now I had to take care of two other people. So with the economy as bad as it was, and me being an American, I started checking around with friends and found there was a lot of work in Florida. So I flew to Florida and got a job working on a fishing boat. And then the pay was so bad, I ended up taking a job as a Marine mechanic. And then I decided to do the testing to join the military, just to see what I would qualify for. And I scored so high on mechanical and electrical and related scores. And they told me, if you just go to university and get a two year degree, you qualify to be a Cobra helicopter pilot or to go to pilot school. But the thought of going to school, because I left school in the 9th grade, so I'd have to get a high school diploma, then get a two year degree, and I just had no interest in that whatsoever. And the guy that owned the marina that I worked at was an ex fighter pilot in Vietnam in the Air Force. And he said, Paul, what you want to do is choose the school that's the longest, because then they're going to have to invest the most money in you, which makes you more valuable when you get out of the military. So knowing that once I did all the testing, I said to the recruiter, what's the school that would require the military to invest the most money in me that I qualify to go? And he said, you qualify to be the most comprehensive school is called 68 J one P, which is Aircraft Weapons Systems Repair. So it had a one year school electronics school that you had to go to, and guys getting out of the military at that time, this is with that training, we're getting hired by Bell Helicopter starting at $89,000 a year, which back in then, that would be like 160 or more now. So to me, that sounded like a really good idea. So I went through the training, and then I became a paratrooper, ended up at the 82nd Airborne Division. But long story made short, after you go through all this training and you get to your unit, they don't let you do anything except it's all controlled by rank. So here I was just taking access panels off of Cobra helicopters so guys with higher rank could do all the work. I spent a year learning how to do. And I come from a background of building my own race car engines, working on very hopped up motorcycles, building roll cages for my own stock cars. I had a lot of skill, so I felt like I was reduced to a moron with a Phillips screwdriver in his hand. And so I was smart enough that before I joined the military, I had exposure to a lot of electronics working on cars. And I didn't really enjoy electronics because it's kind of tedious and tight spaces. But at that time, I wanted to get a career. So I said, Well, I'm going to give it a go. But knowing that, I said to myself, I better go somewhere where I have a backup plan. As a kid, I used to visit friends and they were often watching Wide World of Sports on television. And repeatedly I saw the Army Boxing Team, which was very, very competitive in the international boxing community. And so I knew that if I joined the 82nd Airborne Division, I could get to the Army Boxing Team because that's where it was headquartered, is at Fort Brag, North Carolina. So I became a paratrooper, not only because I wanted to be an elite soldier and see if I had the medal to be an elite rank soldier, but because the Army Boxing Team was there. So sure enough, I got so irritated, I scheduled a tryout for the Army Boxing Team. The only way you can get on is you got to beat somebody on the team. At that time, we were the third ranked boxing team in the world behind Cuba and Russia. So in other words, it's not easy to get on the Army Boxing Team. They are definitely many of the best fighters in the world. In fact, one of my fellow teammates, Derek Wilson, was the fourth ranked welter weight in the world at the time. So he was my one of my sparring partners, just to give you an example. And because I came from a background in boxing and kickboxing, I already knew how to fight. So I got on the army boxing team. And interestingly, I also wanted to compete in triathlon. So I had been competing in triathlons and I won the Army Triathlon. And then I was being sent to represent the United States Army and the National Championships in triathlon. My company commander said, you don't have to fight anymore if you don't want to. You can train full time for triathlon because I'm going to bet a lot of money on you and I want you to win. So when I told my company and I knew I wasn't going to turn pro, even though I was a good fighter what's the good word? I was too willing to trade punches because I knew if I could get one good shot on anybody, I'd knocked lots of people out. I had a very, very strong right hand and anybody that I could get would go down. And so I just knew that from being on the boxing team, there was many guys that were in there. They're 19 and 20, and they were already punch drunk from all the head trauma. They had slurred speech. They would forget what they were doing. They clearly had brain damage. And so seeing that and knowing my fighting style, I knew if I turned pro, that was probably going to be my future. So I thought going for triathlon was a natural transition. But they didn't want me to do that. They wanted me to stay. And they said, don't go. We'll let you become the trainer because we still to this day, cannot figure out how you can train. We train on the boxing team typically six to 7 hours a day, and I trained for triathlon at the same time, so I was actually training about 8 hours a day most days. And these guys could not figure out for the life of them how I could do that. And I was the only guy that could fight as hard in the third round as I did in the first round. So they said, we're going to make you the trainer, and if you want to train for triathlon on your own time, we'll let you do that. So something inside me said that was the right thing to do. And so to make this long story short, the team doctor was an osteopathic physician named Charles Pitlock. And so I actually got a two year internship on the boxing team in how to care for sports injuries through a medical doctors approach, an osteopathic approach. And I implemented massage therapy for the fighters. I just studied it on my own, and I'd learned massage therapy was extremely effective because I was so exhausted from all this training that I just asked my wife if she could please massage me. She had no skill. I bought a bunch of books, and we just sort of practiced together. And it enhanced my performance so much, it blew my mind. It was literally almost like I was taking steroids or something, comparatively. And so I began studying sports massage therapy just by reading books and practicing on the boxers. So I was given charge of taking care of them. I developed all their conditioning programs. I designed all their nutrition programs. I'd studied nutrition from the time I was a child. My mother was very into nutrition. To me, it was an important part of athletic training. So I took over their conditioning, their nutrition, the massage therapy program I developed. And there was 30 fighters, so it was a lot of work, and I managed the gym. So for two years, I was very involved in triathlon unboxing, and the gym was full of the army's best athletes. So after a while, the word got out that I was doing all this good work, helping people heal from injuries and so athletes from all military sports, from track and field, power lifting, you name it, the word got out, and people kept coming to me, asking me for help. So by the time I got out of the Army, I had already figured, okay, the best thing that I can do is go get my license as a sports massage therapist because that allows me to mix exercise and clinical massage type therapy, sports massage therapy. So I searched around for where the best sports massage therapy school was in the United States. Turned out to be an entity of California, which I had previously worked in because my Summer Counselor and Self Realization Fellowship Summer Camp owned a landscaping business in Carlsbad, which is the city next to Encinitas. So I'd already lived in that area and work in that area, so I was, like, super excited. And San Diego is the triathlon capital of the world, so I was going right into the hotbed of what I love to do. So I graduated from sports massage therapy school. I studied St. John. Neuromuscular therapy training. I became a holistic health practitioner, which in the state of California is a license that allows you to do anything that's considered holistic. So I can work with mentally emotional people, sports injuries, whatever I want, and I can do anything I want as long as it's using holistic means such as herbs, tangiers, electric, therapies, anything that's considered holistic. In other words, I can't use drugs, and I can't do things like chiropractic manipulation. So I did that. And then I got hired by the biggest orthopedic physical therapy clinic in San Diego, which was very large. They had their own surgical center. There was 13 orthopedic and neurosurgeons there. They did their own cadaver dice sections, and there was 22 physical therapists and athletic trainers. I was actually the first massage therapist ever in California to be hired by a physical therapy clinic. And the reason I got the job is because the owner had had some very serious knee problems. She'd had four surgeries on her knee, and the surgeon told her that if he couldn't get her knee to bend, he was going to have to manipulate and it could destroy her knee because she'd already had two manipulations under anesthesia. And so I had rehabilitated a guy named Kevin McCarry from a bilateral Achilles problem. He was sponsored by Nike as a marathon runner. He was one of the top marathoners in the world, and he was an athletic trainer that worked for her. So he said, you need to go see my friend Paul CHEK. And the first day that I treated her, I got eight degrees more knee flexion than anybody she'd ever worked with in one session, and it blew her mind. And she had a master's degree in physical therapy. And she said, Paul, these techniques you're using, I've never even seen them before. She goes, well, how did you learn this stuff? And so I told her, I'm using a combination of Ralphing and active release, and I'm just following what her body is telling me. And so the long and the short of as I rehabilitated her, I got her in need of. And the surgeon was so blown away, he wanted to meet me. So she brought me into a meeting, and I met the surgeon, John Beck, and she offered me a job. And so I started there. I worked there for four years, and I got to work with some very skilled physical therapists. The senior physical therapist name was Chris Siegel. She had a master's degree in physical therapy. She was highly trained. And so these guys were like they were, like, perplexed. How could a guy with a 9th grade education rehabilitate somebody that they couldn't do anything with? And they saw that over and over again, and it was interesting because they kept wanting me to tell them everything I did. But they were very secretive about their techniques and what they did and what they learned in physical therapy school. So I finally just said to them all, I'm going to make a rule from now on. I'm not going to teach you anything unless you teach me something equally valuable. So I made a precedent that we had to have an exchange because it was being very unfair. I was being pushed into the corner, and you're not allowed to know anything, but we can know everything you know. And from that day on, it changed the course of my history, because now I was able to learn some of the best physical therapy techniques joint mobilization, muscle energy techniques, a lot of things that you only learn in physical therapy school. And Chris Siegel had traveled the world learning with the best. So I basically got four years of very, very comprehensive learning and physical therapy. I did five cadaver dice sections through Oregon Health Sciences University and through the surgical center where I worked, and I basically just studied everything I needed to study to help people. I kind of developed a reputation as the guy you send the people to that nobody knows what to do with. And I had an extremely busy schedule. In fact, I had so much business, I ultimately had to hire three more massage therapists just to support me. And I was generating, through my articles and my lectures all over the place, 36% of all the business coming to this clinic, which made me a very valuable asset to the clinic. Ultimately, I ended up leaving, starting my own physical therapy clinic with a friend of mine, Steve Clark, who was a highly skilled physical therapist. And we ran that for three years. It was called Golden Triangle Rehabilitation. But the insurance industry was ******** us so bad that it got to the point where I was having to see over 20 people a day just to make enough money to keep the doors open. And both of us were very frustrated because we really believe that you need at least an hour a session to do proper work. So we felt like our ethics were being challenged. But it was kind of like we're under a guillotine. If we didn't see lots of people, we couldn't stay in business. So I said to Steve, I can't practice this way anymore. Why don't we try to sell this thing, this clinic? So we ultimately did sell it. We each made $100,000. I took the money and started the CHEK Institute. That was by then. I'd also work for a chiropractor for just under two years right when I was going through massage school. And up until I got hired by Kathy Grace at Sports and Orthopedics. So I had two years of training with an osteopath, two years working directly with a chiropractor. I owned a physical therapy clinic for three and a half years. I averaged between 16 and $30,000 a year for about the first 16 years of my career, traveling the world, finding the top people on everything I needed to know about from structural issues, nervous system issues, infant development, gait assessment and correction. Feldman christ. Alexander everything that I found to be useful or thought would be useful through my studies turned out to be a tool that could be helpful. And so by the time I started the CHEK Institute, I actually had quite a lot of experience. I wrote a chapter, as, you know, posture and Craniofacial Pain. I was asked by one of the top professors at Los Angeles Chiropractic College to contribute to a text called A Chiropractic Approach to Head Pain. So when I was 27, I wrote this very comprehensive chapter, which turned out to be the largest chapter in the book. And I got a lot of, you know, amazing praise from doctors and people that read it, because, as you know, it is very comprehensive. And actually, looking back, it boggles my mind. I wrote that when I was 27 years old, because if I wrote it today, I'd be happy with it, you know. But, you know, I was very, very devoted to my studies. I took my studies like I took my athletic training, and, you know, I played a win. So once I started the institute, you know, I continued my studies, traveling around the world. But I had worked with so many elite athletes and professional sports teams by then and Olympic committees and everything else, that I had a very good sense of what was missing in the conditioning world, what was missing in the nutritional concepts. I saw all the common imbalances. And because I wasn't trained in any professional bias, like a physical therapist or a chiropractor, an osteopath, or a doctor, I didn't have any inhibitions about studying all of these fields at once. So I developed a lot of multidisciplinary ways of looking at things which made me very valuable. For example, for a consultant to professional sports teams because I could see a lot of things that they didn't know to look for. And I also went to physician's assistant school and got qualified to give medical injection and used to do trigger point injections for all the doctors because they could never hit the trigger point. So they signed a petition to the state of California to allow me to enter physician's assistant school. So I've actually done countless numbers of medical injections. And then I took training from a guy named Ci Chiangun, who is a medical doctor and dry needling. So instead of using hyperdermic needles, which are traumatic, I was able to use acupuncture needles that were a special type using a plunger system. And I could actually treat all these tiger points in areas that are very hard to get to, like the interspinous ligaments, the multifidus deep structures. And I found I could get just as good a results that way, but I didn't have to traumatize people with a hypodermic needle. I also studied medical exercise therapy with one of the greatest physical therapists in the world. And I also studied Norwegian medical exercise therapy with a guy named Bjorns Fensen. And Ola Grimsby was who I studied medical exercise therapy with. And he had a master's degree program in physical therapy, which is also a Norwegian system. So I took this very the medical exercise therapy is very technical. There's mathematical calculations in it. It's not something that's just easy to do, but I mastered it. And so by the time I started the CHEK Institute, I had a lot of clinical experience. I mean, I'd work with thousands of people, and I'd worked with everybody from airplane crash accidents and car accidents and industrial accidents and the best athletes from many different sports. And I had studied with a lot of people. And actually, interestingly enough, I know you know this, but your listeners might find this interesting, and a lot of people don't know this, by the way, but I'm the guy that developed the concept of the core. Prior to me, what everybody now knows of his core conditioning didn't exist. I actually invented the concept and developed it into what you know it to be today. And Charles Polliquin, who you know, was one of the most successful strength coaches in the world, he had trained over 400 Olympic athletes, sent three of his conditioning coaches that work for him to do an internship with me, and how to assess core function and rehabilitate the core and develop the core from injured all the way to high performance. So they came I think they spent a week with me, but they were blown away. They'd never seen anything nearly as technical. And it was actually quite hard for their brains because they weren't used to using goniometers and blood pressure cuffs and measuring. But they got such good results. And Charles actually, in one of his visits to me, Said, Paul, you know, you really ought to start an institute. Because he said, what you teach is just so radically advanced compared to anything out there that he said, if you didn't study for another ten or 20 years, you'd still be ahead of the game. So it was actually Charles Polliquin that inspired me to start the CHEK Institute.

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Paul Chek: I had a lot of confidence in what I was doing, but Charles was so famous and so well known around the world and so well traveled that when he told me that what I was doing was that advance, I took his word for it. And because we had just sold the see, what I had done is where the CHEK Institute began. I sold the physical therapy clinic, and I started my own private clinic, cash Pay. And I was so well known that I was making a very good living just off cash pay. I never had a problem with getting patients. People came to see me from all over the world. So I wasn't just a local guy. I was getting people from everywhere in the world and Olympic teams and all sorts of stuff because people like Charles Poliquin would send me all the people that nobody knew what to do with and all the famous strength coaches on sports teams and everything else. So once Charles suggested that, that's when I started the CHEK Institute in 1095. And then I just began developing the programs that, you know, now started off with check level one and check level one used to be nine days. It was check level one. Yeah, it was exercise coach level one and level two all at once. But it fried people's minds. I even had doctors and chiropractors breaking down into tears in class and leaving the class because it was so advanced that their minds couldn't handle it. And they were so embarrassed that there was personal trainers and strength coaches that were following me that they felt so ashamed they would leave the class. So I realized I have to break this up into more digestible concepts because I'm losing too many students. But in a nutshell, I mean, I know that's a long winded. It's as short as I can encapsulate, all that but that gets you to the beginning of the CHEK Institute.

Leigh: Yeah, that's great. I know myself. We could talk for another 2 hours and we'd still be halfway through what we could be talking about.

Paul Chek: Yes. And another thing I'll throw in there, people don't know I'm the guy that invented the concept of the adjustable cable machine that didn't exist before me. A company in New Zealand called Fitness Works hired me as a consultant and said, we want to use your ideas. So they built a whole line of functional they were the first ones in the world to build functional exercise equipment. And I consulted for them. And one of the things I taught them to do was make cable columns adjustable. I invented the concept of cable side by side so you could do functional pushing and pulling movements. Then I built the triple cross concept. So I have advanced not only the exercise industry but the healthcare industry in many ways. And that really is also as one of the few people in the world that lectured in the osteopathic schools and circles chiropractic. I lectured for years at Los Angeles Chiropractic College and Chiropractic Conferences. I lectured at medical schools and medical conferences. I lectured in physical therapy schools and conferences. I lectured in massage therapy conferences and schools, personal training and strength coaching. So I traveled the world with Penny for almost 25 years, nonstop. Not only lecturing in all these different organizations but the CHEK Institute was developed as a multidisciplinary system so that doctors could come in, physical therapist, anybody, and I would make sure that all the students learn so that a guy, like you could say, okay, when do I need a neurologist? Or when do I need a Feldman christ practitioner? And so that was one of the things that made the CHEK Institute very unique, as it was really the first multidisciplinary education system in the world for exercise and healthcare.

Leigh: I mean, what I absolutely love about the system is, first of all, it's so detailed and you could say complex. But what I love about the system is that the way that we teach it can be very simple as well.

Paul Chek: Yes.

Leigh: In a moment, I'm going to ask you to talk a little bit about the four doctor model, but I think before we dive into that, can you tell us about the concept of the 1234 and why you came up with it and why it's useful for people to understand if they wish to improve their health?

Paul Chek: Well, actually, that came at the same time as the 4 Doctor Model, and you can thank your buddy Matthew Wallden for that. What had happened was I had a lot of we got to the point where we had like, 60 people on staff. I was writing articles and periodicals all over the world, literally ten at least a month quite often, and various journals. I also designed a number of scientific research studies with people in universities to test different things. And I invented, as you know, calibrated systems for measuring things in the body that had never existed but were absolutely necessary. And I have patents on those things. And by then, I had a team of instructors, a core team of instructors, because it had grown so fast and we were teaching all over the world. And several of my instructors and top students came to me saying, paul, we're having a hard time because by the time we finish doing the assessment so these are level four practitioners, fully qualified. We gather so much information on people and they're so completely screwed up, we don't know where to start. And I heard that a few times. So I would give answers to people like, well, you do this, do that. But then Matt Wallden came to me, and Matt, as you know, is one of the smartest people there is. I mean, he's an osteopath and atropath, and he's just got a big brain. I mean, just give it to him. He's a smart guy.

Leigh: He's coming on this podcast in two weeks, so people will find out.

Paul Chek: Yeah, well, it's good because Matt's capacity to remember a vast amount of information from a vast number of resources is pretty much right up there with the smartest people I know and also to understand it. And he is someone I really respected. But he himself came to me. He was visiting me at the CHEK Institute at that time, I think it was 2005. And he said the same thing, Paul. He says, not only do I have a hard time even with all my knowledge knowing what to do because the evaluations often bring up so much stuff with people, I don't know where to start. And people are very, very complex. And so this is about the fourth or fifth time I heard this from people I really respected. So I went into meditation and I said to my soul I need a way to synthesize what I do internally because for me it was a natural process. I had figured this out inside of myself, how to prioritize things. I developed the check totem Pole a little later but I had been doing all this work on the hierarchy of control systems in the body. So I knew, for example, if someone had eye problems you had to make sure that was way up high on the list or if they had breathing problems or bike problems. And I did a lot of training with very skilled doctors and therapists in the temporomandibular joint complex such as Mariano Roccobado. So I had a very good working understanding. I worked with a lot of neurologically damaged patients and studied all over the world in neurological rehabilitation. And even in the CHEK Republic I did advance training with Vladimir Yonder and Carol Lewitt, two of the geniuses of the era. And so I went into meditation and I said to my soul I need help to synthesize the approach that we inherently intuitively use. And so interestingly, what happened is I was in meditation in the Sauna and my soul just said to me get your notebook and go for a walk. And behind our house at the time there was about 5 miles of trails out in the kind of in the California hills. And as I was walking, my soul started telling me things. And my soul said, what's the most important thing you always get clear on first before you design a program for anybody? And I said, well, of course, their dream goal or objective or I don't know what their target is and how to get them there. So that became number one. Then my soul said, what is it that you're looking for in an evaluation? I said, well, where they're out of balance. And my soul said, well, there's only two forces that create the universe. What are they? I said, well, yin and yang, anabolic and catabolic. So my soul said, Write that down. And then my soul said, well, whenever you design programs for people it requires them to change the way they live and the way they exercise. So that requires choice. And my soul said, how many choices are there in any situation? So I thought about it. I said, well, there's only three the optimal, the suboptimal and do nothing. My soul said, Write that down. So I got to that far. Then I was in the gym working out and my soul said I was at the end of a program. My soul said, I went into my supply closet where I kept all my courses, which was a lot. And back then, it was audio cassettes. This was a long time ago. And CDs. My soul directed me to this CD from, I don't know, maybe 1995. It was a course I'd studied on her biology. So my soul told me to listen to it again, and all of a sudden, I'm listening to this while I'm lifting weights. And the teacher of the course says, the Romans believe that all ailments came from what they called one of 3 doctors Dr. Happiness, Dr. Diet, or Dr. Quiet, meaning that everything that ailed people was either because they were not creating happiness in their life or they were eating wrong or they weren't getting enough rest. And so immediately, it was like a lightning bolt went off on me. And I said, yes, but they're missing the fourth doctor Dr. Movement, because back then, people weren't sedentary. Even washing your clothing would have been a workout on a scrub board. So right away I saw that I could categorize values into these four categories that were absolutely essential for a person's health and well being. And so then I went out and studied many philosophies, from kung fu to religious philosophies to philosophies of living, and I found not one single philosophy out there had all four doctors. They either had one, two, or three of them, and there's no way you can be balanced as a healthy person. So what came out of this quest to simplify my teachings was the first thing you got to do is identify a dream. The second thing you got to do is figure out where the imbalances are. The third thing you got to do is find out what they're willing to choose to do based on their motivation, inspiration, and will. And the fourth thing you got to do is identify where the imbalances are within the categories of happiness, movement, diet, and rest. And rest also includes introspection, self time, spiritual development, inner development. I also studied tai chi with master Fong ho because I saw that people only knew how to work out they didn't know how to do use movement. I'd already studied medical qigong and got trained in medical qigong and found it very valuable in my own life. And so I wanted to develop a system of movement that cultivated energy and gave you more anabolic return instead of just constantly draining people, because the western culture was just completely over the top with, you know, no pain, no gain kind of training. I saw it ruining athletes left, right, and center. I was forever having to back these down, and I worked with a lot of the top marathoners in the world. Biathlon. Kenny Sousa. Many times world champion. Biathlete was a long term client of mine. One of my clients, Tom Hunt, ran the ten K in 2000 and 740, which made him one of the top ranked tenk runners in the world. At the time, I think he was fourth or fifth in the world. I worked with many X Game competitors, football players, you name it. So I was always having to show them how to get rid of all the junk training because they just had piles of junk training just because they were caught in this, you know, work yourself to death or you'll never become a champion athlete. And I'm like, yeah, you are working yourself to death and there's no dead champions. Basically what resulted then was I was able to take this model to my students and show them how to take all this stuff. And then using the check totem pole, say, first of all, find out what their dream is so you know, and how to qualify a dream so you know they're really going to change when you give them things to do. Then use the totem pole to prioritize your changes, but don't give them more than four action items for any of the four doctors, which can give you up to 16 possible routes to make change, to balance and heal. And then you've got to synthesize that down to no more than four primary action items based on what you, the therapists, feel is most important, looking at their lifestyle, looking at their mental emotional state, doctor happiness, looking at their movement discrepancies, looking at their diet discrepancies, and looking at their rest discrepancies, and their relationship with themself or inner work. And I limit it to four because in my studies of Carl Jung's works, Jung said most people cannot remember or respond to more than four items or inputs at a time. And he gave the historical research on numbers and how they affect the psyche. So I realized, okay, I have to limit it to four action items or I'm just going to get less results even though I'm giving more. And I started doing the model myself with all my patients and found that by giving them less, I was actually getting better results. And that by giving them key things to do that were doable, they could get successes. And then they got excited and wanted more. Where before I used to give them these very comprehensive programs that would overwhelm them and inevitably, it would take longer for them to do them than they had. So people started kind of only doing parts of the programs and things like that, but this model allowed me to get far, far better results. So actually it was my top instructors and people like Matt that put me in a box and made me synthesize my own system down. And the result of it was it worked even better for me. Nobody had ever actually built a way of categorizing the four essential functions of a living philosophy in a way that any therapist, because these apply to any branch of medicine across the board. I mean, nobody can escape those four sets of values and four levels of awareness without having some kind of pathology in their life. And so that also really helped me bridge the gap between my very technical teachings and the public. So it gave me a much better inroad into the public. I had already written how to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy, which was published in 2004, but many people found even how to Eat, Move, and be healthy. Some of my instructors had read it five times. In fact, Matt Wallden said Paul, I've read, eat, move and be healthy five times, and I'm still learning every time. He says it's kind of mind boggling how much information is in that 220 page book. Then I produced The 4 Doctors Book, an ebook, and that really became not only the philosophical foundation, the spiritual foundation, and the technical foundation for how to evaluate a person. So 1234 is one love, two choices, three four, one love, two forces, three choices for doctors. So it was easy to memorize. And then I developed teaching songs for each of the four doctors, as you know, because I had studied Native American and Native cultures all over the world, and I'd also studied the history of language. And I knew that in the past, for thousands of years, the way people learned myths and scriptures was by singing songs about them and dancing them, and that people had the capacity, interestingly, to remember from 30, 40, 50 generations, things like the Hindu scriptures and various things. So I thought, well, this has to be a better way. And so, having worked with mantras myself, because the monks gave us mantras to practice, I realized that once you get a mantra inside of you, it actually starts repeating itself. It reverberates inside of you like a jingle. And so I basically wrote a jingle for each of the four doctors. So that and one of my first assignments for my patients was to sing each of the four doctor songs four times a day. And if that was all the time they had, that was the most important thing to do, because once they memorized that, they had now an internal GPS system to guide them from making decisions and know when to get to bed, what not to eat, why you don't want to work out too much, and why you need to work in. And that worked profoundly well, and it got a lot of people a lot of my patients were really adverse to singing and things like that. So I helped them realize that if you're too chicken to sing, that means that you're never going to be brave enough to make the changes you need to make to get healthy. So that's the first barrier we've got to work through together. And so I would sing these songs with them, and I had them, you know, go buy some rattles or put some beans in a jar and use them as shakers. And thousands of hours I spent coaching people, just singing those songs together, and it made them happy, and people started doing it with their kids. And then school teachers that came to training with me started doing it in elementary schools. And people like Elliot Hull started a 4 Doctor program in the elementary school he taught at and sent me videos. And the kids loved it and showed them growing their own food. And so it kind of revolutionized a merger of psychology, spirituality, exercise science, diet science, and the science of rest, sleep, and recovery and inner development all into one system. And I really felt by that time that I had accomplished something significant. I mean, I looked at what my practitioners were able to do with people, and I got, as you can imagine, I still do letters from all over the world from people that had been in very, very bad shape on lots of medical drugs, completely had their lives turned inside out, who had now gotten completely free of medical drugs. Things that doctors told them would never heal were healing. People were back competing at high level sports where they thought their career was over. I successfully brought three of the world's greatest athletes out of medical retirement that were forced into medical retirement, who went on to make millions and millions of dollars even though they were supposed to be irreparable. In fact, you probably remember who Richard Dunwoody is. He a famous horse racer from England. And he came to me and spent three weeks with me, and I designed all his rehab programs and put him back on his horse. And he went and won the triple crown and wrote all about his experience with me and his autobiography. And so that kind of sent shockwaves out through the sports world, because they're like, well, how's this guy doing this? And we need to know more, which ticked off all sorts of big magazines like muscle and fitness and many interviewing me and me writing for them and things like that. So it's been a kind of a progressive journey, a snowball rolling and getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and me refining and refining and refining and also developing my skills and then, you know, taking the inherent spiritual training that I got from the monks and from master fong haw and finding ways to weave that into the system. So it became less and less sort of in the back room and more and more in the forefront as essential to one's healing and development as any of the other things were. And as you can imagine, I got a lot of flak for all of that from small minds. And everywhere I went in my career, I got attacked by all sorts of people and many, many debate panels all over the world where doctors and chiropractors and osteopaths were going at me tooth and nail. The problem is, I want every debate, and it was clear to everybody that I did win. And so they learned, if you're going to pick a fight with Paul CHEK, you better have your **** together. Because I was very clinically experienced. I was very experienced as an athlete. I was very experienced in athletic development. In fact, you know this, but for your audience. In the 1988 Olympics, of the twelve boxers on the US Olympic team, eleven of them came from my boxing team and were guys that I used to train. And I don't think anyone has ever done that. I don't think there's such thing as an Olympic team composed of guys that all had to fight their way through the trials to get there. That all had one thing in common they were trained by the same guy. So I think that I'm at the point now, I've been doing this for almost I think January will be 39 years. I don't think it's a question anymore. The world pretty much knows CHEK professionals are the best there is.

Leigh: Yeh, I agree!.

Paul Chek: Yeah.

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Paul Chek: Yeah, doctor happiness. Hardly anyone has a sense of direction in their life. Hardly anybody really knows what they want. People have been so conditioned to be in the rat race to do things they don't want to do and don't like to do to make money, which has led to huge rates of drug addiction and medical drug abuse and unnecessary surgeries and depression and anxiety and suicide and the long list of other things. And hardly anybody has any goals, and hardly anybody has any stated values. And as you've heard me say a thousand times, your yes has no value until you learn to say no. And you don't know when to say no until you have a set of values which are really like a compass to guide you toward what I call your North Star or your stated dream goal or objective for yourself, not only in your life, but in your immediate needs to accomplish what it is that. You want to accomplish. So one of the things I found very early in my career is it didn't matter how good of a program you wrote, any good program requires change. You know, changing what you eat, getting off a gluten, getting the sugar out, getting the **** out of your diet, getting out of bed and exercising, getting to bed on time instead of burning yourself out watching garbage on television. So you can create an alternate reality to try to escape the reality you've created for yourself without being conscious that's you the one doing it. I think behavioral change turned out to be where I had to put a tremendous amount of time and energy and study because people are very complicated mentally and emotionally, and almost all of them suffer the perils of religious programming. And as you know, religion puts restrictions on everything that you instinctually are drawn to, from sex to food, to dance, to how you love to, you name it. I mean, having studied the world, religion, there's restrictions on everything. So people have all this programming, and unfortunately, they've got this idea that they're sinning by doing the things that ultimately create freedom for people. And when a person doesn't have a sense of freedom, then they start medicating themselves because they're like a trapped animal who can't get out of a cage, and they'll start eating their leg off, so to speak, or drugging it off. And so I found that as I evolved as a therapist and as I studied behavioral change more, that more and more of my therapy time and coaching time was oriented towards helping people stay committed to and structuring their life around their dream instead of constantly making excuses about why they didn't have the time or the money to do the things they needed to do. And it was easy for me. I said, okay, look, I've got your records right here. Some of these people already spent half a million or three quarters of a million seeing doctors for 1015 years, multiple surgeries, sometimes as many as 20 surgeries. And I said, how much did it cost you to not have a clear dream, not have values, not take care of yourself? Well, to say that it's too expensive or that you don't have time now doesn't make sense. I said, it's far cheaper for you to learn to take responsibility for the choices that ultimately lead to freedom. But people are so conditioned. This is why in my golf biomechanics manual, I put the little picture of the elephant, because in my studies of behavioral change, one of the analogies that was given is to show how people are programmed. You can take a baby elephant, tie it a rope around his neck, and tie it to literally a twig in the ground or anything like a fence post. And as soon as it feels the tug on its rope, it thinks it can't get away, but it doesn't realize it could pull the whole fence over very easily. So the analogy I gave is that people are actually tethered to these invisible posts that stop them from freedom, but they're actually really more of an illusion than they are a reality. And because so much of this stuff went right back to people's program beliefs about God, I found I had to study world religion, philosophy of religion, philosophy, philosophy of science, everything to do with how the mind work, ken Wilbur's work, Carl Jung's work, and many others. I did a university course that took you through all the major schools of psychology. So I learned all the different ways to approach people psychologically and studied the works of Adler and Freud and many others so that I could sort of see how do I take these people and what tools can I develop to guide them and give them to practice? But once I got the behavioral change aspect of it mastered, I found that I was able to get results with people that previously I couldn't get as good a results with because they just wouldn't follow the program. It wasn't that the program was dysfunctional, just that they had all sorts of psychological blocks and addictions and habit patterns that they couldn't break. And so it really opened a floodgate of more success for me because the programs work so much better. Why? Because they were getting done?

Leigh: Yeah, absolutely. It's interesting when you mentioned right at the beginning of that. You mentioned about having values and I don't really want to open up a can of worms. But the last two years. The amount of people that have signed up for the medical experiment yeah. And if you were to question most of those people. I bet they didn't have any clear set of their own values before they made that decision.

Paul Chek: Well, this goes right back to what I was talking about. You see, all the religious programming puts God as a father figure in the sky who is somehow disconnected from you, but is controlling you. So one of the things I learned early in my career is that people keep resorting to father figures and doctors play the role of the priest or the father figure. Politicians do. Anybody that has a perceived position of authority actually is archetypally projected on as a father figure. So what we have is we have a world full of people that actually are looking for a daddy or a mommy to tell them what to do, even when what they're being told what to do is very dangerous, isn't scientific, isn't even common sense. And so what you saw with COVID is evidence. That exactly why I had to do the work I did was live. And the other big problem is that the technology that they're using now is so advanced, it took years and years of research with things like MKUltra and other secret programs and military technologies being developed to learn how to control people's minds through media and electronic technology and even control their DNA. That COVID was kind of their first crack at a global CIOs project to see what they could get away with. And unfortunately, the outcome has been a tremendous amount of serious injury and a lot of death. But ultimately it broke and went, look, people do more research on a new toaster oven than they do on those vaccines, right? They'll spend they'll spend weeks studying which car they're going to buy, but they let people stick something in their body without even questioning what's in it. When you look at the track record of the drug industry and the medical industry, it's extremely bad. So when that's common sense to people, and I've talked to countless people that went off and got vaccinated and said, what's your knowledge of the history of the medical system? Manipulating and lying people and cheating people? Oh, yes, it's got a long history of that. How many times have you seen or heard of large drug manufacturers getting sued because they produce drugs that were dangerous and killed thousands of people before they had to be taken off the market? And we're often fined billions of dollars for doing it? Oh, yeah, all the time. So you see, in one aspect of them, they know they're playing with the devil, but when it comes to getting people afraid and making them think there's this predatory organism out there, then they can lower their psychological state and put them in exactly the position that you do with a child in church. When you tell them, if you touch your genitals, god will burn you in hell. So now Klaus Schwab. Yuval Harare. Fauche and crew. They became the surrogate god figures. And they took complete advantage of the fact that they been preparing people for this kind of world control for. You know. Well. If you count religion. Thousands of years. But if you count modern technology. According to Len Horowitz in his book DNA the Sacred Pirates of the Sacred Spy. The Carnegie Institution and the Rockefeller Institution have been doing very advanced scientific research to ultimately learn to control the DNA remotely for about 100 years.

Leigh: I've got a few more questions for you. This is just a really small question. If you could give one piece of advice to the world to help optimize people's health, what would it be?

Paul Chek: Stop bullshitting yourself. It takes ten or 15 years to develop cancer. It takes multiple years to become obese. As just two simple examples. Anybody that just pays attention to how their body is responding from meal to meal and day to day starts getting headaches. Instead of taking drugs, say, Why am I getting headaches? What's changed? Ask a doctor, what should I be doing differently? And hope that they're smart enough to tell you the answer. Or a therapist. You watch your body getting fatter, you start finding you're waking up in the middle of the night while you're awake and you can't sleep. Find out why. Look at what you're doing, right? What did you drink before bed? What did you eat before bed? I mean, look, you're talking about people that go to universities and get advanced degrees and all sorts of things including mathematics and physics and chemistry and biology and social sciences and the list goes on. So you have to ask yourself why is it that these people aren't taking responsibility for the fact that they're the one making the choices that ultimately lead to the situation that they have? And of the top ten killers, almost all of them are chronic diseases, which means people are eating garbage and not taking care of themselves. So in my video on YouTube that I did called The Fastest Way to Health, step number one is stop bullshitting yourself. You have to be an adult in your relationship with yourself. And waiting for somebody else to tell you that you've got diabetes is a really bad idea because you knew something was wrong a long time ago because your body was getting swollen and swollen and your hormones were all out of balance and you weren't sleeping well, you're not thinking well. I mean, the indicators on the wall are many, right? You know, if somebody looked at the weather report and said we're going to have a hurricane tomorrow, most everybody would start boarding up their windows and getting umbrellas out and putting sandbags around their doors and protecting their assets. But when the weather report comes in that I've got chronic stomach problems, I'm constipated, I don't feel good, I'm tired, I can't sleep well, I eat. A hurricane is coming. People just keeps smoking and drinking and staying up late and eating garbage. In fact, they do it even more because stress, you know, stress, the greater the level of stress, the more people medicate themselves. So there is just your body is not only committed to being healthy, it does everything it can possibly do to keep you healthy. So when you realize that almost all the systems that control our body, such as our respiratory system, our circulatory system, our digestive and eliminated systems, our limbic emotional system, our immune system, our thermoregulatory system or hormonal system, those things are all autonomously regulated and they're designed to keep you alive. But when you look at the evaluation you do on most of your clients, you see people are like right on the edge of death. And so their choices are so bad that even their own internal survival systems are breaking down. Which means you've been pushing the system very very hard for a very long time. And the handwriting has been on the wall over and over and over and over again. So if a person doesn't want to take an adult position in their relationship with their body, then they are going to be a perfect target for the medical industry. And many other industries. You don't need a lot of brainpower to look at television and see them spraying with crop dusters and see people wearing Hazmat suits to spray **** on food to ask yourself, well, the fifth got to protect themselves from the chemicals are spraying on the food. Why should I be eating it? I mean, if you have two brain cells holding hands, you should be smart enough to go, that's not a good idea. But people do it without even thinking about it. Okay, so in a nutshell, stop bullshitting yourself and participate in your own life or it will be taken from you at great expense.

Leigh: Yeah, great answer. Great answer. So what's next for Paul Chek?

Paul Chek: Well, I'm hard at two years of day and night work into my new book. It's called welcome to Spirit Gym. Your guide to more love, life and freedom. It's going to be about 10 pages, and it's like a series of small books all stuck together on the ten principles that I think we all need to be aware of to live and love fully and create more freedom in our lives. And it's a very comprehensive book. It's loaded with original art, and there's probably going to be over 150 pieces of original art and diagrams. I've invested a lot of money. I've put over well over $400,000 just into the art and the editing and everything so far. And I'll follow that with a beginner's guide because the actual book is really only for the people that are genuine about their personal, professional and spiritual development and can take the time to really read something that is this deep and factual and explorative and it will challenge a lot of people's belief systems as well. And it's designed to. So then I'll produce a beginner's guide, which is kind of like a Dr. Seuss version of the book for the general public. And then I'm going to produce a workbook, and I'm building a website where people can become a member. And I will do a weekly presentation, kind of like a Christian church's weekly sermon or a temple's weekly sermon on an aspect of the Spirit Gym. And I will also invite other mentors from around the world that have a lot of great things to share. And then we will do an hour of inviting anyone in the membership program to share a challenge they're going through in their life. And then we'll use those ten principles to help them solve their problems so they can be proactive in their life and learn how to use the principles of Spirit Gym. Because the principle of the book is we're all in Spirit Gym together. The real purpose of life is for the universe or God to be able to self reflect, to know itself. And there's a lot of great quantum physics and science proving this. This is not just New Age spirituality, it's hard science. There's many good books written called titles like the self reflective universe. And, you know, Richard Feynman's teacher Fred Hoyle, for example, proved mathematically that the universe is experiencing itself, observing itself, and coming to know itself through human beings and all sentient creatures. So the premise of the book is that ultimately, because whatever we call source or God is dreaming itself into existence, it has to be dreaming because the concept of a mind is a duality, but God is a unity. And so we all know we dream when we're sound asleep at night and we're unconscious, so we're out of our mind. So the premise in the Hindus call this Maya. In Vedantic philosophy. Hindu religion. This is called Maya. The Grand Delusion. So when you realize that God is unconditional love, and the answer is always yes, because to say no would be to create a condition, and it's the only way God can experience itself. So this is why evil is permitted, because God is as interested in the dark of itself as it is in the light of itself. And since God can't die, there's no fear of death. It's just a complete, 100% commitment to experiencing the truth of itself. And once we realize that, we're in a Spirit gym. And just like you go to a gym to develop fitness and strength, in Spirit gym, the goal is to develop higher consciousness, which creates more freedom, more self awareness, and a greater capacity for self reflection to really understand who and what you really are and why you're here. So the premise of spiritual is that you can have any philosophy you want, you can practice any religion you want. You can be an atheist, you can be a Hitler, you can be a Buddha, and ultimately you're your own expression of the divine creating something novel that you have Cocreative license to create. And the answer is always yes. So when you understand the principles of how consciousness grows and develops. Then you can then take agency and say.

Now that I know this. I want to create something that is not only the highest expression of myself. But is a good example for my children. My friends. My family. And anybody else in the world. And also to live in a way that's harmonious with the needs of the planet itself. So when COVID kicked off, I just felt a tremendous amount of internal pressure. I've been doing research for this book for many years. But I felt. Okay. I've got to get this book out. Because the best thing I can do for people is to show them how consciousness functions. How to use their mind. And how to create health and freedom and well being for the long run so that they don't get caught in all of these tricks that are being used against them.

Leigh: Fantastic. Well, Paul, I'd love to get you back on next year to talk about Spirit Gym in more detail.

Paul Chek: Yeah, sure. I should have it out in the first quarter. I'm a year late right now, but it's writing itself. It's like when I do a piece of art, it starts painting itself. I'm really excited about it. It's taken a tremendous amount of work to get. I'm writing the 24th chapter right now. There'll be 33 or 34 chapters. But I really feel that, honestly, if I finish this and I was to die, I feel like I'll have left the best of me for the world to have as a gift and for my kids to have as a gift as well.

Leigh: Excellent. So, Paul, is there anything you'd like to offer the Radical Health Rebel audience?

Paul Chek: Yeah, we put together a discount off of our Holistic Lifestyle Coach Level One Online, which is the public program to help people get healthy. And it shows them how to apply everything that's in my book how to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy and more. You can also get 10% off my book how To Eat, Move Me Healthy, my Last Four Doctors You'll Ever Need, e book and the audio companions that go deeper than the book by using the promotional code Radical Ten. And you just can find all that information and more at Shop chain institute.com shopcheckinstitute.com. So go to Shop.Checkinstituteinstitute.com, and then when you are asked for a promotional code on Checkout, just put in Radical10. That'll give you a 10% discount off all of those. And all of those things are applicable to anybody in the public. They're not heavy technical. They're just very important basics that we all have to learn and master in order to have health and freedom.

Leigh: That's great. I'll put the link in the show notes, and I'll also put the links to your social media and your websites as well.

Paul Chek: Fantastic. Thank you. And thanks for everything you've been doing for so many years and devoting the time and the energy to become an instructor, because it's not an easy thing to do. And you're a good one, and you've got a lot of skills and knowledge yourself. You've written some beautiful books. So you've been a great asset to the CHEK Institute and to my own mission as well. So. Thank you, Leigh.

Leigh: Thank you, Paul. Now, just to finish off for a little bit of fun, what I'd like to do is to ask you some quick fire questions. So not a lot of thought, just kind of just answer straight off the top of your head. So I'm just going to fire them at you. Okay?

Are you ready?

Leigh: Carl Jung or Rudolph's Steiner 

Paul Chek: genius, 

Leigh: which would you choose?

Paul Chek: Oh, choose between the two of them. That's where we have to go beyond yes no logic to both. You don't make a choice like that. You just absorb both. That's like, do I want hydrogen or oxygen or both? Well, if you want water, you need.

Leigh: Both to be, like, asking, would it be choosing between your kids?

Paul Chek: Yeah. Which arm would you want cut off? Your right or left?

Leigh: Yeah. Okay. This is going to be interesting then with the other questions. Rumi or Osho?

Paul Chek: Rumi. Long by far. Not even a contest.

Leigh: Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

Paul Chek: Gandhi.

Leigh: Weightlifting or stacking rocks?

Paul Chek: Stacking rocks.

Leigh: Squats or deadlifts?

Paul Chek: Deadlifts.

Leigh: Boxing or kickboxing?

Paul Chek: Meditation.

Leigh: Rugby or American football?

Paul Chek: How much pain do you want?

Leigh: I'm guessing rugby would be the answer. If you want the most pain.

Paul Chek: If you want the most pain. That's why they say rugby players eat their dead.

Leigh: Sauna or cold plunge?

Paul Chek: Most people would do better with a cold plunge because they're already overly inflamed. But for detoxification purposes, the sauna is a better choice and sauna is also a better aid to meditation than a cold plunge. So that's one of those trick questions that it's better not to get tricked by.

Leigh: If you could only do one for the rest of your life, which would you choose?

Paul Chek: One.

Leigh: What between sauna or cold plunging?

Paul Chek: I would do the sauna because I like to vaporize tobacco and herbs, so I need the detox support. I can always take cold showers.

Leigh: Massage or tai chi?

Paul Chek: Tai Chi will take you further.

Leigh: Wild salmon or organic chicken?

Paul Chek: Wild salmon will be better for you in the long run.

Leigh: Painting or meditating?

Paul Chek: I like to meditate by painting.

Leigh: That's a good answer. Like that....

Leigh: New Age music or ecstatic dance.

Paul Chek: Make your own Tibetan bowl or Native American drum? I think most people do better with a Native American drum. It's much more versatile without a long discussion. There's a reason it's been around for thousands of years and is used for all kinds of ceremonies from healing to initiation to battlefields. The Tibetan bull is beautiful, but it requires more skill and it's not as versatile. The Native American drum I think, can take people more places without any training just by just exposing yourself to it.

Leigh: Well, Marley or Stevie Wonder?

Paul Chek: Very tough question.

Leigh: That's a good question. I struggle with that one.

Paul Chek: Yeah. With my knowledge now, I would say Stevie Wonder.

Leigh: This is a modern question. Electric vehicle or internal combustion engine?

Paul Chek: Well, paradoxically, both of them are run by internal combustion because the majority of everything people are using to charge those electric cars is coal fired electrical plant. So that's a big scam is what that is.

Leigh: Yeah. Good answer, good answer. Okay, final question. Sean Connery or Daniel Craig?

Paul Chek: Oh, ****. Sean Connery. All day long. Not even a contest.

Leigh: Yeah. Great stuff. Great stuff. Paul, thank you so much for taking your time out today to share your experience and wisdom with the radical Health Rebel listeners and viewers. So now the audience have got to know you little. As I said earlier, I'd love to get you back on to talk about your new book. I'd even love to talk to you about under the Veil of Deception as well, which I think is very apt in these times, and so all the radical health will try. If you know someone who would benefit from watching or hearing this episode, please make sure to share the love and forward it onto them. After all, the mission of this show is to help people lead a more fulfilled, healthy, productive, fulfilling and happy life. And if you'd like to support the podcast, you can go to www.patreon.com/radicalhealthrebel, where you can also receive lots of other exclusive premium content, including unedited full length, ad, free video episodes, Ask Me Anything, Q and A sessions, and also Radical Health Rebel merchandise. So that's all from Paul and me for this week, but don't forget, you can join me same time, same place, next week on the Radical Health Rebel podcast.

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