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34 - Allergies Bee Gone with Joyce Dales

April 03, 2023 Leigh Brandon Episode 34
Radical Health Rebel
34 - Allergies Bee Gone with Joyce Dales
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Joyce Dales, owner of Buzzagogo describes the amazing power of high quality honey when it comes to optimsing the nasal microbiome and fending off allergies and colds. 

We discussed:

Joyce's background


Joyce's motivation to study the nasal microbiome


The Nasal Biome


How we get sick


Common Nasal products 


Countries with the highest rates of allergic rhinitis

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[00:00] Joyce Dales: If your nose doesn't have the right moisture, the right PH level or its beneficial flora have been altered through antibiotic use, environmental pollution, or products that you use in your nose that you shouldn't, excessive sterilants that once you alter that balance, that plays into this puzzle. I'm so passionate about protecting our bees because there is medicine in apiotherapy that is truly life altering, and I think they just sound like such a paranoid person. But I just think the powers that bee don't want us to know that. They don't want us to have access to that, and Glyphosate is going to destroy that magic for us. If we continue to poison our bees and destroy their environment and poison the air with the EMFS and disrupt their patterns, our species won't survive. We're utterly dependent upon our pollinators.

[00:57] Announcer: Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast with your host, Leigh Brandon. If you enjoy the podcast, please leave a five star rating and a warm review. Your opinions are important and your ratings help grow the podcast and help educate people to lead a healthier, more productive, fulfilling and happy life. This video is your thing. Please check out the Radical Health Rebel YouTube channel, where you'll find Fun Bitesized clips from each episode. And now, here is Lee, the radical health rebel with this week's podcast.

[01:37] Leigh Brandon: Joy Styles. Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for coming on the show.

[01:41] Joyce Dales: Thanks for having me.

[01:43] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, I'm really excited about today's episode. And today's episode is entitled Allergy Be Gone with Joyce Dales. Now, one type of allergy, allergic rhinitis. Rhinitis, also known as hay fever, affects between ten and 15% of children and 26% of adults in the UK. In Europe, the prevalence of allergic rhinitis ranges between four and 32%. More than 40% of patients with allergic rhinitis have asthma, and more than 80% of asthmatic patients have rhinitis, and patients with rhinitis have an increased risk of developing asthma. Up to 57% of adult patients and up to 88% of children with allergic rhinitis have sleep problems leading to daytime fatigue and somnolence and decreased cognitive function. Countries with very high prevalence of allergic rhinitis include Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom. And I'm going to ask Joyce a little bit about that later on. So in this episode, I'll be asking Joyce Dale's, founder of Buzzagogo, about the nasal biome and what we can do to fight nasal allergy symptoms, soothe information, and how to support your nasal biome. So, to kick things off, Joyce, can you share a little with the audience about you, perhaps your upbringing, your educational background and your career to date?

[03:09] Joyce Dales: All right, well, I grew up in the United States. In Maine. I lived a very rural upbringing as a child, so we were very connected to nature. My grandmother had this little country store like you can imagine, where the hunters would hang out, all the deer hunters, and we made food for all of them. We had gardens, we pickled, we canned. So I was raised in an environment where there was a solution in nature to every problem that we had, whether it was hunger or illness or what have you, there was a solution nearby in nature. And so that stayed with me all my life. And when I was older, I had just married my husband and I was a school teacher, and we decided to adopt our first baby girl from Vietnam. And we traveled to Vietnam to pick her up. And in the middle of her adoption, she required emergency open heart surgery due to a congenital heart defect that is attributed to Agent Orange because generations of children still are being affected by this forever chemical. It's a petrol based chemical, so it is a forever chemical. It's not going anywhere unless we scrape 2ft of soil off of Vietnam, which of course, will never happen. So her heart was completely backwards. She needed a full pulmonary graft. And today I'm going to fast forward for all the parents that are panicking, because every time you hear about a sick kid, it gives us all panic. She's a healthy 15 year old. She's just started driving and she's an athlete, so she's amazing. But at that time, when I brought her home, she was deemed immunocompromised. And this was 15 years ago, so immunocompromise, which we're all familiar with now, was a new thing to me and it was terrifying. So I was living in that headspace of every cough and sniffle was terrifying to me, was scary. It was a direct threat to her well being and health. And all of the solutions that allopathy and medical care was offering me was unacceptable. It just sounded like additional poison to her. And in my opinion, her epigenetics were already going a skew from being poisoned. So that didn't make sense to me. So I went back to my roots of everything my grandmother had taught me and I started a remedy company focused on apitherapy, on b medicine specifically. And that's how I started my little company, out of a need to protect her. And also an arrogant belief that cold and flu are not unsolvable, they're just really big business. So I dove into how do we get sick, how do we prevent getting sick? And it's actually quite simple. So that was sort of the foundation of why I'm where I'm at today.

[05:47] Leigh Brandon: So that was your motivation, I guess, to look into natural remedies? What was the motivation specifically to study the nasal biome?

[05:58] Joyce Dales: Well, as I began to learn about how we get sick, I was fascinated again. It wound up being much more simple than I ever believed it could be. 99% of the time we get sick when we touch our eyes, ears, nose or face. So when you touch anything above the head, any opening, the pathogen will travel to the upper adenoid, upper nasal passages, the upper adenoid zone, the back of the nose, top of the throat, and it will latch on there. And remain there, dormant, for one to 14 days. Because that's where the receptors are for pathogens to latch onto and pass their code to our cells. So at some point in that ten to 14 dormancy phase period the pathogen will pass its code to our cells and then within one to 4 hours our cells will begin to replicate that code millions of times over. So our cells actually make us sick. They do the dirty work for the pathogen. I was fascinated by this, and I further learned that how much you colonize because that's called colonization that's when you begin to colonize in the nasal pharynx how much you colonize, how severe it gets, how long you stay or directly impact, how severely you get sick, how long you get sick, and how infectious you are to other people. So I'm like, well that's amazing. That's really critical information. I mean, yes, it's as simple as wash your hands, but people want to know more why we all think somebody coughs and sneezes over here, we're going to get sick. And that's true. But I didn't need to fear that as much anymore. It's actually really hard to catch enough viral load airborne than they would have you believe than it is to just inoculate yourself with enough viral material to start the colonization process. So I thought that was fascinating. And here's the other part of the puzzle that was interesting was that if your nose doesn't have the right moisture, the right PH level or its beneficial flora have been altered through antibiotic use, environmental pollution or products that you use in your nose that you shouldn't excessive sterilence that once you alter that balance that plays into this puzzle. So your ability to colonize and severity of colonization are directly impacted by your overall nasal biome health. So I'd always heard, we all know about gut health which gut health is about restore and maintaining the entire system. But nasal biome health is about trapping and preventing because the action of trap and prevent which is directly it's dictated by the health of your nasal mucosa that dictates how sick you are, how sick you make others and whether or not it can reach your lungs. So that's a critical, critical component to all of it. I was fascinated by that. And the other part that played into it that I learned was when my husband was in law school he had an elective surgery and he got hospital acquired MRSA and it nearly took his life. He had several surgeries, had to have skin grafting, lost some bones. I mean, it was a truly terrifying time. And after that happened he was told by the doctor well, you may be colonized. That's where I first heard that you may be colonized for a while. 25% of all medical personnel are colonized with VRE or MRSA. In their nasal pharynx at any given time, and so you may be at risk for a repeat infection. So I asked the doctor, well, what do you do about that? And he said, well, we offer the medical personnel these ampules of alcohol that you can burst into the nasal pharynx and it will sterilize. And if it does a good enough job, great. Then the antibiotic resistant MRSA is destroyed. If you don't do a good enough job, then that MRSA can evolve and become more antibiotic resistant. However, in doing so, if you do a good enough job, you alter your PH and your flora in such a way that you become more susceptible to chronic sinusitis, allergies, rhino issues, everything. You catch every bug down the road for the next however long until you can restore your biome. So it's kind of like carpet bombing your first line of defense for your entire biome, and it may achieve success in getting rid of this antibiotic resistant colonization that you've got, but you create new problems down the road. So that was one of the most critical things that I learned in my journey about how we get sick and how to not get sick. So once I learned that the nose is a biome and it's the first line of defense for the whole thing, it was a game changer for me. It really empowered me. I didn't need to be be afraid of every sneeze in the store.

[10:28] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, I mean, I would say the skin, the nose, and the oral cavity are the first line of defense. But the fact that we should be breathing through our nose most of the time, unless we're under severe stress or we're exercising very hard, we should be always breathing through the nose. And obviously our skin does a slightly different job, but it still is part of the first line of defense. So I couldn't agree more that the nasal passage is so important and therefore the nasal biome. So just taking you back to when your daughter was first sick, and obviously you had the background of natural health growing up, but where did you turn to study that kind of led you on the path to the nasal biome? Was it just personal study or did you do any kind of structured study?

[11:22] Joyce Dales: Well, learning about the nasal biome was entirely dr. Google the thing we're forbidden to do. But how else can you empower yourself? So I'm just a regular mom who has that sort of ridiculous rabid motivation to solve a problem for someone you love. But the other component, the ate therapy component, other than being an obsessive hobbyist, I tend to obsessively research, anything that interests me. And at that time, I was really into super honeys. I actually contacted Dr. Peter Molan, the father of manuka honey at University of Waikido, and I just arrogantly sent a call in and I got the man on the phone and we started this email relationship where he taught me everything about Manuka Honey, in particular about super Honeys. And I back and forth with him for over the course of two years while I was developing my concepts and my product. And he guided me on that path. So he was, I would say, the one expert that I really tapped into the heaviest. Everything else was just sort of dealing with our international travel doctors and dealing with my doctors cardiologists. And I would constantly take advantage of those appointments and be like, hey, can you confirm, what is your thinking on this? And quite often what I was being told in those appointments, when I went and did my own research, I would find a lot of contradictory information that completely flew in the face of what I was being told. And so that drove me forward even further.

[12:46] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, so pretty much it was just you went off your own back and just did your own research and that's where you found all this information.

[12:55] Joyce Dales: Yeah, it's out there. I mean, a lot of it is actually not out there anymore, which is strange. That's a new reality for us all in the last 24 months. But before, when the Internet was truly free and uncensored, you could give yourself, teach yourself, everything you need to know about these things.

[13:12] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. So before we carry on, I guess the next question we need to answer is what is the nasal biome?

[13:24] Joyce Dales: Well, the nasal biome is the nasal mucosal system. It's got this fantastic name. Hang on, I've got it written down. Oh, I'll find it. While we're talking, I have all these sticky notes all around me about my research. It's like I'm trying to find a serial killer. It's ridiculous, but it's all about snot. It's just research charts about snot. The nasal mucosal system is a combination of the moisture, the salt, the mucus that your body produces through the nasal passages. All of that is designed to trap and prevent pathogens dust, pollutants from entering your body and getting to your lungs. It's sort of the gatekeeper for all of that. And it very delicately works together to achieve that. And if you throw it out of balance, then it can't do what it's designed to do, right down to whether or not you've got the right humidity. So we were talking earlier about how many people get allergies in different sections of the world, and I think that has a lot to do with humidity and moisture.

[14:24] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, I certainly find when the weather gets really cold, generally I get a little bit of a runny nose. Not like a streaming nose, but just a little bit of a runny nose. But whenever the springtime summertime, I never get that at all.

[14:42] Joyce Dales: So that's the heat differential. That's the cold air versus your hot air exiting. Do you know they just did a CNN finally just confirmed. I mean, thank goodness CNN can confirm these things that we've known for hundreds of years, but they just confirmed that cold weather does indeed increase your risk of catching a cold, and then they very lightly brushed on why, which is it changes your biodiversity. So cold air destroys some of your beneficial flora that is fragile in that temperature. And therefore, once you change the balance of your nasal biome, then you increase your risk of infection. That's how delicate the nasal biome is.

[15:20] Leigh Brandon: And when you say flora, what do you mean?

[15:23] Joyce Dales: Mostly lactobacillus. Your nose is loaded with beneficial lactobacillus of hundreds of different, maybe thousands of species. It's actually not well understood. They're just starting to study it now, but primarily because they want to shove a lot of things up our nose that probably don't belong there.

[15:38] Leigh Brandon: It's interesting. I mean, I've done a lot of research into the human microbiome, and indeed, I recently did an episode with Debbie Cotton from In Vivo Healthcare, who's a real expert in the human microbiome. And I've studied the oral microbiome, the skin microbiome, stomach microbiome, the lung microbiome, the small intestine, the large intestine, vaginal microbiome. But I haven't studied the nasal microbiome, which is quite interesting.

[16:07] Joyce Dales: Well, it's just like your mouth. It's just like the ******. It's a very delicate tissue. It's easy to tear. It's very vascular, and it is very prone to swelling and irritation. So we have to treat it delicately. Although kids have been sticking their fingers up their nose for millions of years, and that's Mother Nature's way of inoculating that biome and getting it fully living in a sterile environment and the way kids live today, I think that really interferes with their biome development.

[16:39] Leigh Brandon: I know Dr. Zach Bush has been talking quite a lot in the last three years about the importance of your environment in terms of your biome. And doing things like going for walks in woodland can have quite a positive effect on your microbiome. And if you think about it, if you're walking through a woodland where you're getting most of that from, it's through the nose. Right? Because you're walking through the woodland and you've got all the flora that exists in the woodland, and you're breathing it in. Right. So you say most of the nasal passages, different forms of lactobacilli.

[17:21] Joyce Dales: Yes.

[17:24] Leigh Brandon: I would have thought there's some kind of fungi as well that's quite common in the nasal passage. Would that be right?

[17:29] Joyce Dales: I believe so, but I can't tell you the name of it.

[17:32] Leigh Brandon: Okay.

[17:33] Joyce Dales: Yeah, I mean, we do fungus, mould, bacteria. Everybody thinks those words are negative words. They're not negative words. They belong there. We are comprised of those things, just like the rest of nature.

[17:47] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, but the only problem becomes if you've got an unbalanced microbiome, and then you can get too much of a certain fungus, and that can be harmful to the body.

[17:57] Joyce Dales: Yeah, pathogens. The pathogens are only kept in check by the good guys. So you have this constant battle of bad guys versus good guys that's going on even in your nose. And if they are out of balance and one can't check the other, then it can become a runaway train of potential illness.

[18:15] Leigh Brandon: And in terms of the anatomy, have you looked at the anatomy of the nasal passages?

[18:21] Joyce Dales: Yeah, I'm fascinated by that with regards to allergies, because a lot of allergies, you don't produce mucus like you do with illness. A lot of allergies, you feel completely stuffed up. But it's a non productive swelling of the nasal canals and passages and ridges and all of the soft tissue going all the way up. My daughter actually suffers from that. So that non-productive swelling can become so chronic that your biodiversity is utterly destroyed because your nasal immune system is so busy trying to deal with its own illness, with its own disruption, that increases your risk for catching everything down the pike because your nose is chronically swollen. And I thought it was really fascinating that honey is a basic constrictor. It helps dilate and helps take that non productive swelling out of the nasal passages. But without sterilizing the biome, it can do it very gently without destroying all the flora. It's actually a prebiotic and a probiotic. So it can feed and enhance your nasal biodiversity. And raw honeys in particular that aren't sterilized or pasteurized in any way, they contain a lot of natural lactobacillus. So for me, that was like the ultimate solution. Why wouldn't we do that?

[19:41] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. So I guess my next question is, and this is something that you mentioned earlier about the way that we get sick in your studies. How would you say that we do get sick?

[19:55] Joyce Dales: Most of the time we touch our eyes, ears, nose or face. You scratch your ears, that pathogen will take the journey to the colonization zone. You scratch your eyeball, it makes the journey to the colonization zone, the upper adenoid zone, the top of the throat, back of the nose. And that's where it's going to latch on to those receptor cells like an impostor, like a fake key, stick itself in there and wait and remain dormant to pass its code onto your cells to begin replicating. And once you start colonizing and replicating, that may not happen anywhere from one to 14 days after the pathogen gets into your body. But once it starts, that's when you feel the thing. Whatever your first tell of an illness is, a lot of people the throat feels swollen, some people's eyes begin watering. Whatever your tell is, once that colonization process starts with, it happens. You are replicating millions upon millions of cells with that viral illness encoded in them within 4 hours. That's how fast that can happen. So I was fascinated by, well, if it's dormant, there's this huge dormancy phase. What can we do about that? Without completely destroying the nasal biome? How do you get in there? And do something about that virus. Latched on. If it made it that far, if it made it past your nasal mucosa, if it made it past your PH, if it's gotten to where it needs to go to latch on, what then? What can we do about that? So for me, that was how I approached it.

[21:25] Leigh Brandon: And what's your view on germ theory versus terrain theory and how that links into the nasal microbiome?

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[25:06] Joyce Dales: Terrain all the way for me. I think about the body as its own planet. I think of things like rings, your body, your internal biome, your external biome, your home, your food biome, these different rings like we're taught about nature, the circles of life around us that grow ever increasingly larger and larger and larger and the health of each one of those things impacts one another. So for instance, in order to deal with modern living, okay, I have a baby that's just home with open heart surgery. My inclination is to clean her hands all the time to make sure her environment is sterile and blah, blah, blah. And I had to reconfigure all of my thinking about that once I began my research into the human biome and the terrain and how that directly impacts our health. And now I like to think of my home. When we lived in villages, we would go to Market Square Day and be interact with like two to 400 people a week tops. And we would, that is our biome, that's our community biome and and we could manage the exposures we would get for that and develop appropriate immunity to that. And when we interacted with nature, we'd have a strong terrain in order to do that. But now with modern living, I'm touching the same railing that 5000 other people have touched in one week. And I think we're over challenging our biomes, that no matter how hard between that and pollution and the food corruption and all of that, how in heaven's name can we stay ahead of that? So I like to keep my children somewhat cloistered. I am very passionate about keeping our circles small. If we don't stay home, we're out sailing, we're out on the lake, we're interacting. But every time we go to an airport, if it's a human germ, yes, I'm going to use organic alcohol to clean my child's hand if we're at the airport. But when we're home, I do not overly sterilize our environment. I'm not asking my children to shower every day. So I treat germs very differently when it comes to building our terrain. I like to think if it's something that's out there in the world that's a human pathogen, that we've just been at the airport, then yes, we come home off, close off into the shower. But when it comes to creating a building, our terrain naturally with my kids, I'm letting them lick the rocks at the lake. I'm letting them roll around in the mud and go to bed with that on them. That's how I've dealt with it as a mom.

[27:43] Leigh Brandon: So for you, some people, there are staunch believers in germ theory, there are others that are staunch believers in the terrain theory. Where do you sit? Do you sit on one side or the other, or are you somewhere in the middle?

[27:58] Joyce Dales: I am heavily leaning towards terrain. I'm not settled on anything because I always have that feeling these days that nothing is truly settled. But I do fall more heavily in the camp of terrain. There's a lot we can do because I really believe energetically, there's a lot we can do to help ourselves and impact our terrain. And I don't want to believe otherwise. I don't to believe that we're utterly helpless to anything.

[28:25] Leigh Brandon: When you spoke earlier about pathogens, obviously, that's almost in the germ theory camp, isn't it?

[28:34] Joyce Dales: Yeah.

[28:35] Leigh Brandon: So how does that fit in with terrain theory, in your view?

[28:40] Joyce Dales: Well, I think of it like the things that are outside of my control. Like, I know that pathogens exist, I know this, I know that pathogens are being created. I'm not a scientist that fully understands that, but I want to be an optimist and believe that if I do the right things, I can protect my terrain and build my terrain. I can do something about anything that encounters, that tries to enter my biome that doesn't belong, that is unnatural, that doesn't belong there. I wholeheartedly believe most of the things that are unhealthy, that are going to try to attack us aren't natural anymore. It's all become mutated. So how do you fight against that?

[29:26] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, it's interesting. For instance, you can have, let's call it an outbreak of a disease, and you have five people in a home and two people get sick and three don't.

[29:41] Joyce Dales: Right?

[29:44] Leigh Brandon: Well, if germ theory was 100% true, if you had five people leaving in one home, five people would get ill. Right. So that does lean towards germ theory. I'm definitely leaning towards germ theory, towards terrain theory. But I think there's a certain truth to germs, as you said, pathogens. Right. For instance, if you, I don't know, you're out one day and you buy a burger and it wasn't cooked properly, now you've got some nematode or something in your system, and that's probably going to affect anybody or certainly most humans anyway. Maybe if it was a dog ate it, the dog could deal with it, no problem at all. But again, that's terrain theory, right? So, yeah, I think the terrain is the most important thing. Because that's the only thing we can control, really, to a degree.

[30:44] Joyce Dales: Right.

[30:45] Leigh Brandon: If there are pathogens in our environment, yeah, you can take certain steps to try and avoid them, but at the end of the day, you're probably going to come across them. When you hear someone like Dr. Zack Bush say that in the air, there's 30 to the ten viruses in the air at any 1.30 to the ten. I couldn't even tell you what number that is. It's such a big number, I can't even get my head around it. So for anyone to think that they can avoid inhaling a virus I think is diluted, really. So what choice have you got? Other than if I make my terrain as strong as possible, I've got my immune system as strong as possible, what else can you do?

[31:32] Joyce Dales: That's all you can do. Most of us are always striving for better health. I know during the pandemic, so many of my friends have become less healthy during the pandemic. And so I like to think that even though we're always constantly, if you're in good faith trying to build our terrain, that takes time and that's constantly being undermined by things that are so far out of our control. So what can we do in the meantime? To have tools, sort of like a little what's in your arsenal of tools? What's in your tool chest that you can deploy for your family to help give you the edge that is constantly being chipped away by other outside influences and pollutions and things you can't control. So that's just how I'm always looking at it. Like, what can I control? Because it becomes overwhelming. This world that we're in right now is overwhelming. As a mom, when you try to tackle all of the get rid of the plastic and cook on nontoxic materials and all of these little things we try to do, you can feel that you're being undermined at every turn. It's overwhelming. So I like to think of maintaining as many things in your house that help you feel like you're back in control of what's going on. For me, tackling the nasal biome, I was amazed that no one had ever done this before. I was astonished, like, why aren't people talking about the nasal biome? Why aren't we telling Moms? It's more than just washing your kids hands when you come in your home. You shouldn't be Cloroxing everything. You should clean three things. You drop your keys, take off your shoes and clean your phone. Then that's it. Your home biome can be your ratty little hamster cage and enjoy your home biome and let it be. What it's going to mean? Sure, you clean and dust, obviously, but you do not use chemicals to sterilize every surface unless you just put raw chicken on it or something. Just using common sense to just do what you can to maintain your terrain and to build it back up and to not live in fear. Because I think fear, the energy of fear is like I couldn't even put a percentage to what I might think that that has to do with what we're all going through right now and the sickness that that creates.

[33:45] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. And it's interesting. The last three years, it seems like everything that we could do for ourselves was shunned. It was sensitive and it was banned. Right. You know, vitamin D, obviously, I think most of the people that were shunning these things have kind of, you know, they've kind of told the truth more recently because I think they couldn't get away with it any longer. But vitamin C, zinc, there's a drug that I won't mention that begins with the letter I, and there was another one that begins with the letter H that we know were very effective. We know sunlight is very effective in vitamin D. We were locked indoors. Right. So it's almost like the authorities are trying to take away every little piece of self responsibility and really wanting us to become completely reliant on what they tell us that we can do in terms of building our health.

[34:48] Joyce Dales: I think they're trying to destroy the terrain. I think every one of those things is a terrain destroying piece of advice.

[34:56] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. I mean, certainly read a little chat before we started recording, and there's a lot of chemicals floating around the air in the US. At the moment. And again, what's that going to do to the nasal biome?

[35:10] Joyce Dales: Yeah. There was a chemical fire in the Netherlands and in Italy, too, last week.

[35:14] Leigh Brandon: Right.

[35:15] Joyce Dales: So what is happening that's going to go into the stratosphere that's going to be rained down upon us? That's not confined to the area of that fire that is now being dispersed around the globe right now. So what is that going to do when the animals eat that grass and the fish in the ocean are impacted by those forever chemicals? We're just basically being poisoned. Twenty four seven. And it's overwhelming. So I think that's where you're just building your terrain all the time. And every single piece of advice that they have told us in the last forever, but mostly in the last three years, is to destroy your terrain. You don't need vitamin D. No. You'll get skin cancer if you go out in the sun ten minutes a day. All of those things. When you go out in the morning and get that morning sun and it helps your mitochondria through your eyes. No, you're going to get skin cancer. Don't do that. Wear a hat. Wear sunglasses. Every single piece of advice is intended to hurt us and destroy our terrain and make us vulnerable. Everything is it cynical. I sound so cynical, don't I?

[36:17] Leigh Brandon: Well, I think it's just being honest. But when you look at in 2020, gyms were closed, but yet you could go and buy junk food and booze. Yeah. I think alcohol and cigarette sales went through the roof in 2020, right? So, yes, thank God I was able.

[36:40] Joyce Dales: To get organic grain alcohol. I will forever be grateful I was still able to get organic grain alcohol, because I cleaned everything with that. That was how I deal with when my kids come in from swim practice with their phones. I clean it with grain alcohol because that just makes sense if you have something that's coming in from the outside that's I want them to be able to touch surfaces and things in my home. But if it's an outside thing, it does get cleaned before it comes in. And I do really believe strongly in taking your shoes off when you come home. The amount of potential germs that comes in on there, I love that frack. I probably picked it up from adopting my children from China and Vietnam, but I really take that one to heart. So take your shoes off. I believe in that. I think it messes up your terrain, your home terrain, to leave your shoes on to come in the house.

[37:27] Leigh Brandon: Just changing subjects a little bit. What do you think of some of the more commonly used products that people use in the nasal passage?

[37:40] Joyce Dales: Most of them contain sodium benzoate, because in order to change the viscosity of something, to be a spray, you have to have an excessive amount of saline or sodium benzoate, or if it's a gel, usually alcohol. Organic glycerin is fine. We're actually formulating some remedies with organic plant based glycerin, non GMO, that's fine. That doesn't disrupt the flora in the same way. But those other things are sterilants. And if you sterilize in order to be a viscosity, you have to sterilize that product. And once you introduce a sterilant to your biome, you're sterilizing your biome. And that works against, I think, the bigger goal, which is to enhance your nose so that it can do its job. Don't undermine the nose's ability to do its job. Think of it like you think of your gut biome. You want to help it be the best it can be. And how can you do that? So read the backs of bottles, because sodium benzoate, in particular, if it's combined with any vitamin C producing thing, it can be a carcinogenic. And that's hugely problematic in the delicate mucosal system.

[38:43] Leigh Brandon: So really, it's like an antibiotic up the nose. Really.

[38:46] Joyce Dales: Yeah.

[38:47] Leigh Brandon: And we know antibiotics can save people's lives in certain situations, but we also know that if they're overused, it can also kill people.

[38:56] Joyce Dales: Right.

[38:57] Leigh Brandon: I mean, you spoke about MRSA earlier and we know that's a very dangerous superb, we call them superbugs over here in the UK and they're generally caught in hospitals. Right. What do they do in hospitals? They sterilize everything.

[39:10] Joyce Dales: Right. Do you know what they're starting to use in hospitals now? Medi honey. Super honey, to fight the superbugs. So have you ever talked to anybody about how manuka works against superbugs. What makes a super honey a super honey?

[39:22] Leigh Brandon: No.

[39:24] Joyce Dales: Let me nerd out about that for a second. So, for instance, they're now using super honeys in alginate bandages for dirty field wounds in the military. So the military now have basically honey infused dressings. So basically, how a honey is classified as super honey is that all honey has upf unique peroxide activity. So it has like, a level of peroxide that allows it to deal with a cut or a wound and keep it from getting infected. But a super honey has some quality that goes far beyond that. And when it comes to manuka honey, manuka honey can reverse antibiotic resistant bacteria. So, for instance, if you've got a wound that has gone septic and you've gone septic systemically, and your wound is the source of that, that's your colonization site. And no antibiotics are working against it, and you're getting flesh eating MRSA, and it's a runaway train. If you apply medical grade manuka, manuka that has the high enough methylglyoxal, which is what makes manuka special. It's what Dr. Mullen found. If you apply it to that colonization site, it inhibits the pathogen's ability to put a biofilm around itself. And that biofilm is what evades your antibiotics and evades your own immune system. So suddenly, even though you're septic and it's an infection throughout your body at the colonization site, your antibiotics can start to work, and the pathogen can no longer colonize with its protective biofilm. So it reverses the antibiotic resistant bacteria's ability to evade your body and your drugs. In that instance, antibiotics would be very important. So they're now using medical grade manuka honey on wounds in hospitals, and it's called medi honey, and it's saving diabetic patients limbs from being cut off. It is remarkable stuff. And there are other super honeys around the world. For instance, there's a Scottish Highland heather honey that works in the exact same way as manuka in terms of reversing antibiotic resistance. But they don't know why it's not methylglyoxal. And Scottish Highland heather honey, they haven't figured out what that component is. And they've also tried to replicate the honey's ability to do this by taking ordinary raw honey and then adding methylgloyoxol to it. And it's not quite the same. It can't achieve the same effect that the bees are achieving on their own with their own saliva, their own enzymatic activity in the tea tree. So the bee magic cannot be replicated. There's also another honey in the Pacific Rim that reverses hormone disruption in perimenopausal women and older men. It completely reverses hormone issues. There's a propolis, which is a honey by-product a beekeeping by-product in Brazil that destroys small cell lung cancer. I'm so passionate about protecting our bees because there is medicine in apitherapy that is truly life altering. And I think they just sound like such a paranoid person. But I just think the powers that bee don't want us to know that they don't want us to have access to that. And Glyphosate is going to destroy that magic for us.

[42:35] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. And electromagnetic radiation as well.

[42:39] Joyce Dales: Right.

[42:39] Leigh Brandon: Destroying the bees.

[42:41] Joyce Dales: The moment they put in a tower over here, I was taking a walk and I just saw hundreds of dead bees just stunned on the ground. And I can tell the difference between a poisoned bee and a shocked bee. They're very different. And I couldn't explain it, and it went on for weeks.

[42:57] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. Just going back to things that people use in the nasal passage, what do you think of Neti Pots?

[43:07] Joyce Dales: I think it's okay. There's a risk with a Neti Pot, especially with a child, that they have a very shallow sinal mucosal system, and you can accidentally send pathogens and bacteria very quickly into their little shallow systems and worsen an infection, and it will go beyond your natural biomes trap and prevent system. So I'm very careful about neti potting children. I think it has its place. If you're a good Neti Potter, I applaud you. I am not. I would be very cautious about using very clean water and not an excessive amount of saline, because otherwise you're sterilizing instead of washing out, because a lot of saline is just a sterilin. So I admire people that can neti pot. I feel like I'm waterboarding myself every time I'm a Neti Pot drop out. And I can't really I failed.

[44:00] Leigh Brandon: It was interesting what you were saying about the super honey or the manuka, that it can disrupt biofilm. I think that's really interesting because if it can disrupt it on the skin, I'm sure it can disrupt it elsewhere as well.

[44:15] Joyce Dales: Right? Exactly.

[44:17] Leigh Brandon: That's quite interesting. That's quite interesting. And talking about manuka and honey, can you tell us a little bit about the products that you offer?

[44:28] Joyce Dales: So when I first started creating my products, I knew I wanted it to be a nasal swab because I'm a Netflix Dropout and I'm terrible at that. So I knew I wanted a swab and not a spray because even sprays bother me. And when I was a spray user, when I was a high school teacher, I was getting sick every month. That's where I learned that I was basically sending I had chronic sinusitis because I was sending bacteria further up into my sinuses every single time I used to spray. So for me, I knew it was going to be a swab. And then once I began my sort of research relationship with Dr. Mullen before he passed away, I knew that super honey was maybe the simplest solution to this problem. How can we deal with pathogens latched on in a dormancy phase? How can we deal with colonization load without destroying everything that is good in the nasal biome that's already functioning well? How can we assist? And for me, that was simple, was creating a super honey blend. It took me two years to come up with the exact right blend, because not all honey is created equal. For instance, we were trying different grades of manuka and getting blood pressure headaches because the mucosal system is so delicate, like the ******, like the mouth. You can't just put anything in there. It has immediate impacts on you. And it took us a couple of years to come up with the right blend. Yeah, I got a blood pressure headache off of two different honeys I had from two different sources. One gave me ****** nose. It's a delicate dance up there. It took me a couple of years to come up with that. And then I thought I was just going to sell it at farmers markets because I grew up in a country store in Maine. I'm like, that's how it works. I'm going to jar up my magical remedy and I'm going to sell it to people in farmers markets. And I was giving it to police departments and the local teachers union because school was starting, and everybody gets sick at the beginning of school. And I was getting fantastic feedback. People were like, I use it, and I had a cold for one day, or everyone got sick around me and I didn't. And that never happened. So I was getting this great feedback and I knew I was onto something. But then my husband, being the good environmental attorney, he's a recovering environmental attorney, is like, no, honey, that's super illegal. You can't do that. We have to become a drug. Now, if I had known 15 years ago what it meant to become an OTC pharmaceutical, I may not have seen it through, but I knew I was actually impacting the common cold, the thing that they call uncurable. I was making a difference. So we hired an FDA compliance attorney, and we jumped through all the hoops and became a homeopathic remedy and worked with some of the top homeopaths in the country to infuse my honey blend with homeopathic remedies to deal with active infection. So if you're already colonized and sick, it would help with swollen, chronic swelling and postnasal drip and those things to deal with active symptoms. And that's how I came to market, and that's how I created cold. Begon and algae began for adults and kids. So and it has been going beautifully up till now. I've gotten in over 12,000 stores globally. But now the FDA has decided they're going to change all the rules that have been in place for decades, and they're trying to basically do away with a huge portion of small remedy and small supplement companies and things people use to build their terrain back up and build and be the best they can be naturally. They just simply don't want that to exist. And so they're chipping away at it slowly. And they're coming for the little companies first, because they can't go for the big vitamin companies or the big homeopathic companies, because those are multimillion dollar companies and they will fight back. So they're chipping away at the little companies first, which is really unfortunate, because a lot of us, even though we've banded together and we have some advocacy groups now, are minority owned or women owned, because I think that a lot of these remedies and things come out of people's kitchens because they had a loved one or a real life problem they wanted to solve and protect. So, yeah, that's the current state of affairs for my little company.

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[50:52] Leigh Brandon: So you said there's two main products.

[50:55] Joyce Dales: Cold Begone and Allergy Gone.

[50:57] Leigh Brandon: So what was the first one?

[50:59] Joyce Dales: Cold begone nasal swab remedy for adults and kids. And allergy begun nasal swab remedy for adults and kids. It's good for ages one and up, although the new regulations say you have to say four and up, and the formulations between the adults and kids are exactly the same. It's just an FDA requirement that if you market it to kids, it has to say for kids.

[51:21] Leigh Brandon: Right. Got you. So the allergy be gone. What kind of conditions is that useful for?

[51:29] Joyce Dales: That's very specifically for the non productive swelling to build your biome back up, but it's very specifically for that non-productive swelling. If you use it at bedtime and you go to lay down, you only have to swab a little way into the nostril, and then your cilia will deliver it to the back end of the nasal mucosa all the way back to the adenoid zone, even if you don't have adenoid. And that's where your body heat will send it. And then when you lay down at night, that will help take the inflammation out of your nose at night. Because most people, when they lay down, that's when the non productive swelling is the worst. And it's hard to fall asleep like that.

[52:09] Leigh Brandon: So that's good for any kind of congestive kind of condition.

[52:13] Joyce Dales: Yes.

[52:14] Leigh Brandon: Got you.

[52:15] Joyce Dales: It builds your biome back up, which is beneficial in general, although we are not allowed to talk about that. I make no curative claims regarding your bio.

[52:27] Leigh Brandon: And the cold begun, obviously does what it says on the tin. That's if you've got a cold right.

[52:35] Joyce Dales: For any upper respiratory illness.

[52:38] Leigh Brandon: Right. Got you. And how do people apply the swap? I guess it's pretty simple.

[52:45] Joyce Dales: Yeah. It's just a little tube. It has about 70 doses in it because you use a tiny bit. Some people use too much, and I'm always battling against that. Think of it like giving a toddler toothpaste. It's the size of an o on a keyboard. A tiny dot, a little bit goes a long way. You take an ordinary cotton swab from your own house, although the next round of production will have swabs included. I got some nice organic cotton swabs. She put it on there and you just swab, swab. You don't need a fresh swab per nostril, although some people say that's disgusting. I think it's wasteful. So it's your own nose swab, swab, and that's it. And then your body heat delivers it to where it needs to be.

[53:22] Leigh Brandon: Got you. So the swabs that you use aren't the ones like we saw on the TV a lot in 2020 and 21, when they were scraping the bottom of people's brains with the swabs.

[53:36] Joyce Dales: No. And did you notice how that got more and more shallow? They were like injuring people needlessly. Because the fact of the matter is the viral material can be detected all the way down. So you don't need my swabs are very shallow. Just the tip is how I like to joke about that. It's just the tip.

[53:53] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. I do know there were some people that had the PCR swab. They were actually laporting fluid running out of their nose afterwards. And what that was, it was cerebral spinal fluid. So it actually damaged the area below the base of the brain and they had cerebral spinal fluid actually flowing out of their nostrils afterwards.

[54:16] Joyce Dales: That's terrifying.

[54:17] Leigh Brandon: It's just awful. Absolutely awful. So with regards to your products, what kind of quality standards do you ensure with them?

[54:28] Joyce Dales: Well, it's a natural honey product, so it's going to have natural yeasts and molds in it, but the FDA requires it be practically sterile. So we do use some sterilized honey, some irradiated honey in the honey blend. But it sounds scary to say irradiated honey. It's actually the cleanest way to deal with a honey. Medical grade manuka is, in fact, irradiated because you don't want to apply a high bio burden of yeast and molds to an already colonized wound because it's immunocompromised that situation. So it's the same thing when it comes to the nasal mucosal system. So we have very intense scrutiny of every batch that goes through that it needs to be a medical grade nasal product, and that's how we do that. And of course, we have the best apotherapy sources in New Zealand. My honey comes directly from New Zealand. There's a lot of corruption in the honey production world, and so we, we work very closely with our honey manufacturers and our producers that we have the best manuka possible and it's not corrupted.

[55:32] Leigh Brandon: Got you. In terms of manuka, is there anything that you've not mentioned already as to why is it that you use manuka? Is there anything else that perhaps you wanted to say about manuka specifically?

[55:45] Joyce Dales: I love manuka. I think every mom should have manuka. I will tell you right now, if your kid is throwing up and you give them a spoon of manuka, it will end that situation. This is not medical advice. This is just mom advice, but it is a truth. So I think manuka honey is one of the twelve super honeys. There's only twelve that we know of. Now, I'm sure there's a lot more that we just haven't figured out. But if you're going to buy manuka and you want quality manuka, I think you should go for the, umf, grading system. It's Dr. Mullen's original system. There's a lot, there's an Mgo, and there's some other systems that have been invented by manuka producers because they don't want to pay into the, umf, grading system. I prefer umf, because I have a soft spot for Dr. Mullen in his work and I know his intentions and his heart and his, his behind. It all, and that matters to me. So if you are looking for quality manuka, look for something between, umf, twelve plus and, umf, 15 plus. And that is the no pun intended sweet spot for getting a honey that will greatly enhance your health. If you have H Pylori and you have gut issues, a spoon of Manuka a day can really be a game changer for you. If you have a kid that's got a stomach bug, manuka honey 15 plus is exactly what you should be giving them. So I tried to tell everyone I know, get these some manuka honey before it becomes more expensive and more impossible to find, because right now, a quality unf 15 manuka is running between 60 and $80 a jar.

[57:19] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. Yeah. And also, manuka does taste very nice as well.

[57:25] Joyce Dales: It doesn't. It tastes awful.

[57:27] Leigh Brandon: You think so?

[57:29] Joyce Dales: It tastes terrible. Well, if you get the real medical grade manuka I'm a child of the when we had sore throats, our parents in the United States would spray this stuff in our throat called gosh. What was it called? It was terrible. Manuka honey actually smells like that and tastes like it. When you eat a high grade medical manuka that's got a great, umf, value, you will feel the tingling and the burning. Your tongue will go a little numb. The medicinal value of it is evident the moment it hits your palate. So heads up for people that think they're going to take a big old fat spoonful of something sweet and wonderful, it's not necessarily like that. Although some people love the taste of it. I trained my children to like it from early on. Thank God they like it. But I still cannot get a spoon of it down without a lot of making a lot of faces.

[58:18] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, I've had 15 plus, and I like the taste of it.

[58:21] Joyce Dales: Do you really?

[58:23] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. Maybe it's maybe it's because I've not really eaten sweet foods for a very long time, and maybe that tastes really sweet to me. Carrots taste really sweet to me.

[58:37] Joyce Dales: Yeah, it is sweet, but it does have that medicinal, like, something in it that's different. You can tell.

[58:47] Leigh Brandon: The only problem I have is I can't eat oats. I used to put it in porridge, porridge oats. And I can't eat oats anymore, and I don't really have anything else to eat it with.

[58:59] Joyce Dales: Oh, yeah. Well, you shouldn't eat it. Never, ever heat it because it will lose a lot of its enzymatic activity. And that's part of its magic. Yeah, it'll still have methylglassol. You can actually artificially inflate the methylglassol by heating it. That's one of the things that some of the unethical honey producers will do, especially the counterfeit manuka that's coming out of China. They will warehouse it, and they will falsely inflate the metalglaxol by storing it, and it becomes darker and darker, and that's how they're achieving higher UMFS that are above 16. Like, you'll see a, umf, 20 or blah, blah, blah. So the old thinking was that anything that was, umf, 20 and above was falsely inflated through storage, improper storage, and letting it sort of age. And Dr. Molan, before he passed away, was convinced that that was a risk, in his opinion, after studying honey all his life for creating a be allergic reaction in a non b allergic person to falsely inflate the metal galaxyl. Now the thinking in that has changed, and. This is one of those things where I'm I used to assert that because that's how I was taught with Dr. Mullen. But now the beekeepers I'm working with now are like, no, we have, umf, 32. And that's how we used to think of it, that having the methylglyox, albeit that high level, is not harmful to people. It's actually beneficial. And a, umf, jar of, umf 32 is $3,000. I don't know. I just impart the it used to be this line of thinking, and now it's this. But is that driven by the value of that honey? You know what I mean? I don't know how to take it.

[01:00:37] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. And I guess what's happening to our bee populations, it's probably only going to get more and more expensive.

[01:00:44] Joyce Dales: Yes, exactly. Support your local beekeepers. If you have the ability to maintain hives in your backyard in any way, shape, or form, or to host a hive, because beekeepers will come and put hives in your yard, please do it. It's literally the only way we're going to ever combat what's happening. And those little hives are really productive. It's one of those tiny things you can do that actually makes a difference. Every time you recycle, you wonder, am I really making a difference? Hosting a hive actually makes a difference.

[01:01:18] Leigh Brandon: In your opinion, how important are bees to our future?

[01:01:22] Joyce Dales: If we lose our bees, we die. Yeah. If we continue to poison our bees and destroy their environment and poison the air with the EMFS and disrupt their patterns, our species won't survive. We're utterly dependent upon our pollinators.

[01:01:43] Leigh Brandon: Yes. And we're definitely going down the wrong road, aren't we?

[01:01:47] Joyce Dales: In every way. In every way possible. Is there anything we're doing right other than us sharing and talking and trying to beat against it?

[01:01:58] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. In a recent episode I did with Paul Check, you know, he was saying, you know, he wants to see, you know, a time where anything that we do that pollutes our air or our soils or our waterways because they're essential to life, that those things become illegal. Because if we continue along this current path, as you said, we won't be here anymore.

[01:02:23] Joyce Dales: No.

[01:02:23] Leigh Brandon: If we continue bringing out more and more generations of cetera and we're spraying these poisons in the air to change the climate, which we know the people that are telling us we need to change to save the climate, and we're getting all these chemical spills all around the world. So I didn't realize that that was happening outside the US.

[01:02:51] Joyce Dales: Oh, yeah.

[01:02:52] Leigh Brandon: Then it's not looking too good for the future. So each and every one of us need to do what we can do to prevent that from happening. Otherwise. I've been on this for a fairly long time, and I really am concerned about young people because I've had my life right. I've had mine. I've had a lot of fun. I suppose I should have another 30 years to go statistically, but if we don't create a lot of change now in terms of the direction we're going, our children might have a future. It's as simple as that.

[01:03:31] Joyce Dales: I agree wholeheartedly. And I think that this climate action that they give lip service to is completely misdirected and not at all going to impact climate. We should all be taking personal responsibility for the climate. But this nonsense about controlling how people move about in cities and electric cars and all that yeah, that's all well and good. What about the massive polluters coming out of China? What about these industrial fires that go unchecked? I mean, corporate production and waste is what's destroying our environment and the oceans. So that needs to be addressed before we try to control the population with whether or not we're allowed to eat meat.

[01:04:16] Leigh Brandon: It's quite ironic that it's those people that have been destroying the environment for decades are the ones that are saying that the rest of us have to pay for it. But yet those that have been destroying the environment are the ones that can carry on doing what they're doing. Flying around in jets and eating the best steaks while the rest of us well, I don't want to say what they've got planned because it's too depressing to even think about it.

[01:04:41] Joyce Dales: Try not to think about it. Because we got to keep our energy high. Because this only works if we keep our energy high. That's all we have, is to keep communicating, keep sharing and keep our energy elevated as best we can in the face of all of this.

[01:04:55] Leigh Brandon: Yeah. So at the beginning I mentioned that the UK, Australia and New Zealand have the highest incidence levels of allergic rhinitis. Do you have any thoughts on why those countries in particular have the highest rates?

[01:05:12] Joyce Dales: I would imagine it has something to do with the humidity, but I don't really know. I'm not going to tell you. I have a solid theory on that.

[01:05:25] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, it's an interesting one. I don't know the answer, but the one thing, I think that we probably because our weather is quite different. I mean, the UK and New Zealand might be kind of similar, I guess, but Australia's climate is completely different and there are slightly different climates within Australia as well. Obviously, it's a huge country, but the one thing that we do have in common is our culture, and with that comes diet as well. I would say our diets are pretty much I mean, I'd say Australia are a little bit more influenced by the American diet and they are than they are the most obese country on the planet. USA is obviously number two. But I just wonder, because one of the things that I've experienced working with clients over the years is that with things like hay fever, asthma, what I found is when I start to help people change their diet in, particular eliminate foods that their body is sensitive to food sensitivity. Quite often that turns around and their asthma or their hay fever can go away.

[01:06:41] Joyce Dales: So anti inflammatory like that?

[01:06:45] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, things like gluten and dairy, which are very common if people are sensitive to those and they cut them out over time, I've seen clients have actually reversed things like asthma and eczema. They're doing other things as well. But yeah, that's why I wanted to just throw that question out there, because I just wondered if that might be something that you've seen as well. And that's just an idea that I don't know if it's true or not.

[01:07:15] Joyce Dales: Well, that would make sense. I mean, there's something about their terrain, about their biome that is altered. Right. So, for instance, I just started researching sorrow fecal microbial transplant and why that is so effective in people in reversing all inflammatory disease, including asthma and allergic conditions. So I've been researching that, and then at the heart of that is a particular bacteria called Lactobacillus Ruderi. And Lactobacillus Ruteri, when it exists, have you heard of that? It's the human breast milk strain that they vilified in the when the formula companies were trying to vilify all breast milk. It's one of the only human breast milk derived strains, and so somebody patented it. So that's why none of your probiotic strains contain it unless they've paid for the privilege of using it. So L Ruteri has been studied on surgical wound floors in hospitals, and it's reduced complication rates by 80% when they gave just that one strain alone to patients. I feel like maybe those countries as a collective, as a tribe, are lacking something in their biome uniformly, and then combine that with the pollution of those particular areas or just the climate of those areas combined with the terrain being altered in some massive way as a population. Maybe that's why I guess the other.

[01:08:45] Leigh Brandon: Thing that's probably very similar as well is the medical systems in each of those countries because they vary Australia and New Zealand are very much based on the English system being former Connolly's. So maybe that's the case. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. So, Joyce, is there anything that we've not covered that you want to cover before we go?

[01:09:08] Joyce Dales: No, I think we've covered a lot. I mean, we could talk forever. You are an amazing resource. The stuff we talked about before we went live, I've got notes, I've got homework.

[01:09:20] Leigh Brandon: Awesome. So what's next for you, Joyce?

[01:09:23] Joyce Dales: I'm going to keep fighting the good fight over here and teaching people about their nasal biome. So if you want to chat with me about that, especially if you're a worried mom and you want to talk about that or home schooling, because my children have always been home-schooled, and they're straight A students who are getting ready for college. So I encourage moms to reach out to me because that's my wheelhouse. I don't pretend to be a scientist. I am just a mom that has gone down the rabbit hole in 100 different ways. And so if you're a mom and you want to reach out to me and chat, please do. You can find me on Instagram or TikTok. Or Facebook. Or Twitter.

[01:09:56] Leigh Brandon: Cool. And what's the URL for you all?

[01:10:00] Joyce Dales: It's either Buzz Aogo, which is the name of my company. B-U-Z-Z-A-G-O-G-O Buzzagogo or Cold bee gone. And that's B with two E's like a bumblebee. So if you Google either one of those or my name, I'm going to pop up all over the place and I try to answer every email I get personally, because I know that that really matters.

[01:10:18] Leigh Brandon: Yeah, definitely. Awesome. So, Joyce, thank you so much yet again for taking your time out of your valuable day. Share your wisdom with the Radical Health Rebel listeners and viewers. And to all the Radical Health Rebel tribe, if you know someone who would benefit from watching or hearing this episode, please make sure to share the love and forward it on to them. After all, the mission of this show is to help people lead a more fun filled, healthy, productive, fulfilling and happy life. And if you appreciate my amazing guests and the wisdom they share with you each week and you'd like to show your appreciation by supporting the podcast, you can become a subscriber to the Radical Health Rebel podcast plus starting at just $3 a month. Or you can check out a seven day free trial at our Patreon channel @patreon.com/Radicalhealthrebel, where you also have access to lots of exclusive premium content and exclusive discount offers included in your membership. And full details can be found in the show notes. So that's all from Joyce and me for this week, but don't forget, you can join me same time, same place, next week on the Radical Health Rebel podcast.

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Joyce's background
Joyce's motivation to study the nasal microbiome
The Nasal Biome
How we get sick
Common Nasal products
Countries with the highest rates of allergic rhinitis