Radical Health Rebel
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Radical Health Rebel
114 - Cancellation of an Honest and Ethical Doctor with Doc Malik
Join us for an inspiring and thought-provoking conversation with the incredible Dr. Ahmad Malik, also known as Doc Malik. From his humble beginnings in a poor, immigrant household in Glasgow to becoming a renowned orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Malik's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. He shares the gritty details of navigating the challenges of a tough neighborhood and overcoming numerous obstacles to achieve his dreams. Dr. Malik's candid reflections on the medical industry's culture and the factors that led him to leave his practice offer listeners a unique glimpse into the realities of the healthcare system.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Malik opens up about the relentless perseverance required to thrive in the medical field, and recounting his struggles to secure senior-level positions and the emotional toll of frequent relocations. With a blend of humor and honesty, he discusses the physical and mental demands of working long hours in both the NHS and private practice. Dr. Malik also reveals how lifestyle changes like intermittent fasting and strength training helped him reclaim his well-being. His insights into the ethical dilemmas and societal challenges within healthcare are particularly eye-opening, emphasizing the importance of patient-centered care and critical thinking.
In this compelling discussion, Dr. Malik shares his bold views on the COVID response, the so-called vaccine, and the broader issue of silence within the medical community. He presents a visionary approach to transforming health and society, advocating for education, individual responsibility, and systemic change. From exploring the pitfalls of hero worship to proposing a comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare system, Dr. Malik's ideas challenge conventional thinking and inspire a healthier, more conscious way of living. Don't miss this episode filled with invaluable lessons and powerful reflections.
We discussed:
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Becoming a Doctor
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Navigating Medical Career Challenges
22:58
Struggles of Medical Practitioners
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Ethical Dilemmas in Healthcare
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Challenging Societal Beliefs
48:39
Navigating the Covid Era Discussions
52:26
Questioning Vaccines and Covid Response
1:06:26
Challenges Faced by Dissident Doctor
1:13:47
Transforming Health and Society Vision
1:22:29
Awakening Society Through Awareness and Humor
1:26:59
Spreading Truth and Inspiration Through Education
1:35:59
Expressing Gratitude on Radical Health Rebel
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He went you've got a plate of food now at 10 o'clock at night. You're eating your dinner at 10 o'clock at night, your wife's asleep, your kid's asleep. I saw when you left this morning you left before everyone woke up. You never see your kids. You're working six days a week. You're fat, you're overweight. You look like shit. You know, take it from me, I'm dying Like. This isn't a way to live.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, Lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed. And it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show.
Speaker 2:In this special episode, I sit down with someone I hold in the highest regard, Dr Amit Malik, aka Doc Malik, a former orthopedic surgeon, incredible dad and host of the amazing Honest Health podcast. To say I love this conversation would be an understatement. We dive into Doc Malik's fascinating medical background, the culture within the medical industry and why he made the bold decision to give up his medical license. We also get into why he was cancelled and his views on the COVID era. Most importantly, we explore the steps we need to take moving forward to create the healthy and fair world we all want to live in, and how we can help awaken those who still haven't grasped the reality of today's world. A special shout out to Doc Malik for powering through a bad case of hay fever during the interview, so you might hear a few sniffles, but it didn't stop him from sharing his incredible insights.
Speaker 2:Whether you're already familiar with Doc Malik or hearing him for the first time, you're in for a real treat. First time you're in for a real treat. Okay, hey, very good. Have you managed to have a look at it at all yet?
Speaker 1:It just arrived in the weekend, so no, it's definitely. I'm going to read it.
Speaker 2:I'll read it. It's a 20 year anniversary.
Speaker 1:Well, it's awesome, that's why I've got it and I'm looking forward to year anniversary. Well, it's awesome, that's why I've got it and I'm looking forward to reading it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good read. I've read it several times myself. It's one of those books you read it several times and you think I don't remember that last time I read it and you kind of you learn new things every time you read it. And even though it's written for the general public as well, it's not written for people like us that should already know all that stuff.
Speaker 1:It's amazing. Well, I'm looking forward to reading it. Seriously Awesome possum, cool, cool, all right.
Speaker 2:Well listen.
Speaker 2:Thanks for reaching out to me and inviting me on your show Absolute pleasure. So what I'd like to really kick off with because you know there might be some people that have been living under a rock for the last few years that may not know who you are, ahmed right. So what I'd like to do is to kick off with you, perhaps sharing a little bit about how and where you grew up and what motivated you to become a medical doctor and eventually, an orthopedic surgeon definitely um, for anybody watching thinking what the hell's going on.
Speaker 1:Um, I've got the worst hay fever ever. Um, I even had, um, what you call it acupuncture yesterday. It hasn't helped, but apparently it can take up to four treatments. Tried homeopathy as well. My, oh man, my nose is killing me. My eyes are streaming, so forgive me. Anyway, well, 1975, I guess, when I was born.
Speaker 2:Yep, Well, nine months before that right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah, oh, wow, yeah, I never really thought about that. So that would be, that would put me in november 1974. There you go, mate. Wow, yeah, I never thought of that. Thanks for doing that right.
Speaker 1:So basically, yeah, I grew up in glasgow to an immigrant household from pakistan and, um, very, very poor, deprived area of glasgow, jamaican, and in the 80s, very, it was a very rough, rough, rough place. Um, everybody's either a heroin addict or alcoholic and um, anyway, mom and dad, you know, typical immigrants, work hard, study hard, be the best, blah, blah, blah. Anyway. Eventually, long story short, I get into med school. And even that was difficult getting into med school, even though I had good grades and everything. But I get in and, um, I just knew I wanted to be a surgeon. And then you know, you find out on on, you know, one of the lectures, that the odds of you becoming a surgeon are very small. You know there's 300 people in my year and we were told, you know, maybe two or three of us would end up becoming a consultant surgeon. The attrition rate is very high, but didn't put me off and um, so where did that passion come from?
Speaker 2:Why did you?
Speaker 1:why did you think I want to become a surgeon? Do you know what people have always told me you can't, you won't be able to do it, you won't succeed, you won't, you won't get it. And that kind of pissed me off and would spur me on. I'd be like, no, don't tell me, I can't do this. I don't know where it came from, I really don't.
Speaker 1:Maybe my dad my dad is very was, was sorry, he's passed away. My dad was very driven, you know, very driven, didn't care what the odds were. He would work hard and try and achieve and obtain what he wanted. So maybe I've got it from him, I don't know. So yeah, but you know, when people tell you like, oh, you can't do this and you can't, I just would drive me nuts, right anyway.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to be a surgeon because, um, I didn't, I just didn't, I just wanted to use my hands and, um, I never really fancied the idea of sitting in a gp surgery in a windowless room, cupboard and dish out tablets, like that didn't seem to be fun. What I wanted to do was get in there and if there's something not right, fix it and get out, like that just seemed to make sense to me, whether it was like a ruptured appendix or a broken bone, you know, and being able to use your hands. Because I liked using my hands, I loved doing like stuff with my hands, so I guess that's why I wanted to do surgery so was it?
Speaker 2:was it more? It wasn't so much you wanted to be a medical doctor, you wanted to be a surgeon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, interesting. I loved anatomy. I loved anatomy. Like I remember, there's about eight people in my anatomy group and on Monday morning I'd say about six of them were hung over from the weekend and just chatting about the weekend and it was just me and maybe one other person who actually wanted to do the dissection. Everybody else thought it was gross, made them want to vomit, so they all just sit around the dissection table chatting, whereas I'd be there with my scalpel and forcep and dissecting a nerve or whatever. I just thought it was all fascinating.
Speaker 1:I thought, wow, we've it's such an honor to be able to look inside this sleeve of skin and see what actually goes on inside, because up until that point it's all kind of like a mystery, isn't it? You know, when you're a lay person, you know we just uh, a meat sack. You don't know really what's going on inside. You get, you get a little inkling. You know when you got a fish, or you when you get a chicken and you look at the insides of it, or when you go to a butcher, but you don't really know what the inside of a human being looks like. It's kind of mysterious, um. So yeah, I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my, my colleagues. I thought they were hilarious. They were like I had a great weekend and one would go. Really, what'd you get up to? And I'm like I can't remember I was so plastered, ha ha. So that's one of the reasons why I don't drink. It's not just religion. I just never got. I never understood like in in glasgow there's no moderation. I always joke. If I, if I grew up in Italy, I probably would be drinking, drinking a little glass of wine at dinner, but when you go up in Glasgow, it's it's all or nothing. You drink to oblivion and I never understood that. Anyway, you might want to ask me something else now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, obviously you know, you know people from the indian subcontinent that live in the uk and probably other countries. Often their parents want them to become doctors and lawyers and solicitors and jobs like that was. Was that the case with you or was it purely? I'm just really interested in helping people and I want to become a surgeon that's a good question.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I know. My mom and dad locked me in a cupboard and said you don't get out until you agree to be a doctor. No, look, my mom's dad was a lawyer and my mom really wanted me to be a lawyer, like my grandfather. She said that you know, I reminded her of her dad and he was a very successful lawyer back in pakistan and she wanted me to be a lawyer. I didn't like the idea of law. I just don't like arguing with people. I just it's just. I really don't like arguments.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And like nothing. I like all the law programs I saw as a kid and the movies it did not. It never appealed to me, like, whereas things like ER and all that kind of stuff that really did appeal to me, but like that kind of stuff that really did appeal to me, but, like, I love watching casualty and you know all that kind of stuff, but not not law, legal things, it just never, never did it for me. My dad was a businessman and he was uneducated, very intelligent but uneducated, and he always used to say to me be a businessman, be a businessman. If you're going to do medicine, get the degree and just become a businessman. And at that point you he'd done quite well, from markets to shoe shop, to fish and chip shop to you know, he had a residential home and he said, look, with your medical qualification, you and I, we can all put up a nursing home, and then maybe two or three, and he goes. You know, forget working for other people, be your own boss. Forget working for other people, be your own boss. When you're your own boss there's a freedom in that that you will never really appreciate, which you, you, you know you don't have when you're working for someone else and I'll be honest with you, I was like over my dead body. Will I be a businessman? Because I wanted to be a professional.
Speaker 1:You know, life was tough growing up. We were. You know things weren't easy. Dad was always counting the pennies and you know we never had much until later on, by which point, you know, I was going to university, like my younger brother's, six years younger than me. You know he got to go on the school ski trip, not me. I couldn't afford, we couldn't afford it. I was. I was one of the kids that you know stayed behind and with two other kids, you know, while everyone else was off to france on a ski holiday, you know. So all my childhood was it was never. We never had much.
Speaker 1:But by the time my dad started being very, very successful and being a successful businessman, you know I hadn't really appreciated any of that. All I just knew was it was really tough and it was long hours, you know, six days a week, and I was like why? Why do I want that? And it's funny, my my six year, six year younger brother, um, he actually wanted to be a businessman because he was seeing how successful my dad was at that point and and how good it was. So it's really funny, just just fun. It's funny how, at the wrong time or right time, your view can change. Um, so yeah, I, I was just like, I don't want to be a businessman, dad, I just, you know, I want to be a surgeon. I love surgery.
Speaker 2:So no, I'm contrary to typical asian families, I wasn't really pushed into medicine well what wise words your dad said when he said when you work for yourself, it gives you a level of freedom. And you know what prophetic words. Almost having looked at, you know what's happened over the last four years, which I'm going to come on to in a minute. So what? What year did you graduate? I?
Speaker 1:was 1998, 98 a long time ago.
Speaker 2:Okay. It was like yesterday and up until 2020, can you give us an idea of, kind of how your career progressed from the 90s to 2020?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I spent three years in Scotland. I couldn't get any job of a senior level to advance me. I applied everywhere Inverclyde, Aberdeen, Edinburgh no one wanted me.
Speaker 1:I was like shit, man, what am I going to do? I can't get a job, can't get a job and I just, I don't think I. I wasn't the fit. You know, I didn't play golf, I didn't have parents who were doctors. I wasn't a fit, you know, I didn't play golf, I didn't have parents who were doctors, I wasn't a Freemason, so it was just tough.
Speaker 1:So I remember working for this. I went to see this English professor, david Hamlin, who I had worked for earlier as a house officer, and I said, prof, what should I do? He went like, why don't you just go down to London and go work there somewhere for six months and then come back up and it'll be good for your cv. Go to some nice restaurants, go to see the plays and the shows. You know, get, get, get, get that under your belt, and then you know you walk into about a job up here. I'm all right, okay. So I applied down south and, um lo behold, I got an interview at the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital.
Speaker 1:I went into this room. There's about 40 other kids there, all with signet rings and double barrel names, all been to public schools and, like you know, I've been to a state school. I mean, I was so stupid. I was like, oh, you went to a public school. Oh what? Like I went to public school too. I went to state school. They went no, no, public. And I'm like, yeah, same, like no, public's private. I'm like, well, if it's private, why don't you just say private? I just didn't get it. I was just like because, because up in glasgow it was like you went to a private school or state school I went to state school.
Speaker 1:So when they went public, I was was like yeah, public school. I was like no, it's private. I'm like, oh, all this doublespeak is getting to me. And then they were like yeah, I went to a grammar school. I'm like what's a grammar school? It's just confusing as hell. Anyway. So I'm in this room. It's all testosterone ridden sign, jeez, louise. But I got called into the room pretty early on I think it was first or second one to get invited into the room where the consultants and professors were. A couple of professors, a lot of consultants, and they're like right, son, alright, so tell us, why should we give you the job here? And I was like okay, this is the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital. And they all looked at me and went yeah, we know that, son, we work here.
Speaker 1:I went well, the key word is national. At this point everyone perked up and there's a couple of people writing and they stopped writing and they were like I. National means, you know, british, means scottish, english, welsh and, as far as I know, all those lads next door are english and I'm the only guy from scotland, so you need to give me the job. Some of them chuckled, some of them laughed out loud. They all looked at each other. The prof looked at me and he goes. I think that's a really good point, excellent observation, right, you've got the job. And at that point I was like are you serious? What the fuck? Like that was me just taking the piss. And then the next question was like, who do you want to work for? Like like, there's different firms and teams. And I said that and they went right great off, you go. You'll hear back from us very soon. Well done, and that was it.
Speaker 1:And I got a job at the royal national orthopaedic hospital. I did a really good job. My consultant was very impressed. He rang another consultant at king's college Hospital and said Patrick, you need to give this boy a job, he's a good lad. And that was for another year. And I was saying to my boss at the time, but I'm going back to Scotland. He went what's the rush? What's the rush, son? Just hang around a wee bit longer. It's good to have you down here and then you can go back up. So I stayed for another year and, um, so I stayed for another year and that was great at King's.
Speaker 1:I lived in Brixton and Camberwell and then I couldn't get a job back in Glasgow. Just I went back for interviews and they wouldn't have me like bloody hell. So then I went back to Stanmore to do some research for a year and then from there I applied again for to Scotland and I couldn't get a job. And then instead I got appointed on to the six-year surgical hire, you know, registered training program at University of Clare's London Hospital and the end, that's it. Then I was stuck in London and then I went to Australia for fellowship and then I went to Surrey, frimley Park in Guildford on a fellowship. And then I went to Surrey, frimley Park and Guildford on a fellowship and then I got a consultant. I couldn't get any consultant jobs. No one wanted me. Again.
Speaker 1:I've got there's this running theme people don't want me, um, and I got told lots of different reasons why. Actually, I got told that I was too opinionated, I was someone who could not be controlled, I was too good a surgeon so I'd be a threat to the existing consultant private practice. These are all the reasons. And I just didn't understand it because I was a junior doctor. As a registrar, I was like I'm not a threat to anyone, what the hell are people talking about? And and other consultants would tell me yes, you are. You don't understand. They just see you, you're very driven, you're an excellent surgeon. You come in and you take away their biopractice. And I was like at that point I was kind of shocked because up until that point I thought here in the West it was all about meritocracy and being the best. I never thought being really good would actually be a hindrance. I was like what, really, seriously? Like surely we lift each other up and they're like, nah, nah, they are always thinking about who's going to be a threat. They want a colleague that they can control, that is nervous, that will take 10 years to mature, that will not be a threat to them and that they can dominate and, just you know, won't be a threat to them. And I was like, wow.
Speaker 1:So then I got a job interview out here in Buckinghamshire and no one knew me out here and I was literally cannon fodder. They just wanted me to be interview fodder, cause if you appoint someone, you need other people on to be interviewed. You can't just interview one person and give them the job. So here I am, like there's four of us. Three of them had worked at this hospital before and I was like the total unknown candidate and I'd been unemployed at this point for like two, three months. So I was like a cornered animal. For two, three months I'd been living in my friend's studio flat. I was sleeping on a sleeping bag on the floor in Bristol and practicing interview questions day and night, and then. So when the interview came, I walked in. I was very confident, I fucking blew them away and they had to give me the job.
Speaker 1:And the college rep? So there's an independent person who comes from the college, representative from the college. He rang me and said congratulations, you've got the job. And it's funny because normally it's the consultants in the department that ring you, but in this occasion it was the rep and I said oh, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. He went. No, don't thank me, thank yourself. That was the best interview performance I've seen in all my my years doing this. So well done you. You deserve it anyway. So the next day I went up to the hospital to meet the consultants and thank them, and the first thing that someone said to me Jeff Taylor, it was like um, our boy never got the job because of you. You've got the gift of the gab, haven't you? And that was it. I was like okay, right, thanks, nice to be here. And that was my awakening of what actually goes on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:Anyway. So what year was that?
Speaker 1:That was 2011. Anyway.
Speaker 2:So what year was that that was?
Speaker 1:2011. Okay, anyway. So then I work as a consultant, I look at the machinery behind it, look at how my colleagues work. I was very disappointed because you know, as a young consultant, you want to come, you want to save the NHS, you want to do a great job, you want to fix things, and then you realize things are corrupt as hell, inefficient, it's all designed to go against the patient and actually you get rewarded if you're corrupt and inefficient and lazy and you get punished if you're efficient and lean and motivated. So you end up either not caring and not giving a shit or you have a mental breakdown because you care and the system grinds you down. And I was very close to a mental breakdown. I ended up leaving the NHS. I had enough.
Speaker 2:So how long? How long did you stay in the nhs? Um in that role 2017.
Speaker 1:I went full-time private in the summer okay, so my dad had been diagnosed with cancer and, um, I came home, I I had very successful private practice, very busy NHS practice. I'm on my second marriage, got a young family and I'm coming home and my dad's sitting on the sofa here in my house. He was staying with me that time and he's like. I was like what are you doing? Awake, dad, it's 10 o'clock. He went oh, I can't go to sleep, my pain's too much. And he goes, son, why are you doing what you're doing? All right, what are you talking about? He went, you're.
Speaker 1:You got a plate of food now at 10 o'clock at night. You're eating your dinner at 10 o'clock at night. Your wife's asleep, your kids are asleep. I saw when you left this morning. You left before everyone woke up. You never see your kids. You're working six days a week. You're fat, you're overweight like shit. You know, take it from me, I'm dying. Like. This isn't a way to live. Why are you doing this? You want the money, you want to be a hero, you want the glory. What is it? What is it all about? And I was like, oh shit, fuck, I didn't really think of it.
Speaker 1:Think of things like that I'm fuck, I don't really think of it. Think of things like that. I'm lying in bed thinking about all these things he's saying. I'm like I don't really know. I want to be in the nhs because I want to help people and there's people in the nhs that can't afford private and that and I feel like if I go private I'm letting those people down. I'm like I don't want to give up my private practice because I'm helping a lot of people actually who are private but they aren't rich the taxi drivers, they're business people, they're just teachers, whatever. They've got insurance or they've even paid just to figure out what's going on because they've been let down in the nhs and the amount of money you get in the private practice is a lot more than the NHS. And what I liked about the private practice was I didn't have a manager telling me how to practice, didn't have a manager telling me who I could operate on and what I could do and whether I could use shockwave or this treatment or that treatment. You know, nhs is very restrictive, it's just bullshit. So in the end I was like, yeah, I need to stop, I can't do this. So I gave up my NHS practice and a lot of people were like, oh, look at this guy, he's going to go full-time private seven days a week. All he cares about the money. No, it wasn't. I took a massive hit. Massive hit because when I gave up the NHS practice, I didn't fill it with private practice, I ended up just working three days a week because I don't want to be doing evenings anymore, I don't want to be doing weekends anymore. I needed time to do my admin and all that kind of stuff and actually three days of clinical work and two days of admin work, which is perfect.
Speaker 1:Suddenly I found I had time on my hands. I could go and exercise in the morning, which is actually a good time to exercise, as opposed to try and go to the gym at nine o'clock at night when you should be going to sleep, and I started to eat properly again and my wife and I were both like keen on losing weight. She'd put on a lot of weight. She accidentally found this group about intimate fasting, so we fell into the intimate fasting hole, never looked back. I got a personal trainer, john Holmans, and he was to motivate me to exercise and then after a while I realized I don't want to be motivated. I, I just want to learn new exercises. Why don't I know how to do these exercises? Trx, medicine balls, kettlebells I didn't know any of this stuff. I used to go to the gym and just use these fixed weights, do the same routine. You know it was bullshit. Now I was doing strength training and balance work and I really liked it. It felt strong for the first time in my life and my wife and I both started losing weight. It was great.
Speaker 1:And then when you start getting better in one thing, you want to improve another thing and another thing. And then when you lose weight and your trousers start getting looser, your jackets are looser. You know you don't want to eat garbage. You want to make sure what you eat is good. You know you're like well, if I'm going to have like one or two meals a day, so right now, like we pretty much have one meal a day, it better count, it better be a good meal, I'm not going to eat crap. So you know, one thing led to another to another. And then you think, right, I'm going to optimize my sleep, I'm gonna. I'm gonna start drinking proper water. I'm not gonna drink tap water, I'm gonna get rid of seed oils. I'm gonna get you know. Just just one thing led to another, to another to another, which is quite nice.
Speaker 1:So now I look at all my colleagues and they're overweight and diabetic and sick.
Speaker 2:I think, oh well, that's Good thing I left when I did so you painted a bit of a dark picture of the NHS, the medical system, your work, but I do know you absolutely love being an orthopaedic surgeon, right?
Speaker 1:Not all of us were bad. A lot of us are good and a lot of us just don't know any better. You've just been pushed down. You know, like, when you go to a water park and you get into these water slides, it only takes you one direction, doesn't it like? Try as you might, you can't get out of that water slide, like it ain't happening. You're just getting funneled down right until you come out of the swimming pool.
Speaker 1:It's like that when you get into the NHS, right, you're in debt. Coming out of med school, you have to go on courses and do research and present meetings and work and impress the bosses. Still in debt, lots of debt. Wait until you become a consultant or GP partner so you can start making some decent money maybe a bit of private work, maybe a bit of medical legal work, pay off your stupid, goddamn debt, start a family, buy a house. It's a funnel. It's a funnel constantly funneling. And then you've got these guidelines and protocols and managers and expectations. It's a funnel, you're funneling.
Speaker 1:So, like some of my colleagues junior consultants, you know know they're like me, in debt, want to start a family, just provide for themselves, do a good job, and they've been taught do this operation, do a knee replacement, and you know you look at the x-rays got severe knee arthritis. You can do a knee replacement. You can have a happy patient, great knee replacement, knee replacement, hip replacement, hip replacement. But none of us have actually been taught anything about nutrition, about sleep, how to be healthy, how to naturally prevent or treat conditions. So it's not that we're all bad, it's just a lot of us are ill-informed, misinformed, uninformed. But then you've also got perverse incentives. So your insurance company 20 years ago was paying £200 for a consultation. Now it pays £100. With inflation 20 years later it's half the price it was 20 years ago. So with inflation that £200 consultation should be £400, now at least £500. But it's 100 pounds and if you think about where house prices have gone in 20 years and cost of living in 20 years. So these consultants like me, who saw their bosses when they're younger raking in, living a lavish life, one partner working, kids' kids, private school, ski holiday in the winter, summer holiday in the summer now as a consultant you're living in a two-bedroom flat and your partner's a consultant and you're a consultant and you can't pay for private education. You can't fucking afford these expensive holidays. You're thinking what the fuck? What have I done wrong? What have I done wrong? Why can't? Why can't I have that life that I saw my call, my senior colleagues have when I was a student? I don't get it and then.
Speaker 1:So then when you know you see a patient and the insurance company is like, yeah, yeah, don't bother seeing them 20 times. You know we're only going to let you see them three or four times. First time you might see them and say, yeah, we could do this operation. Second time, you know you do the operation. Third time, you follow them up after the operation. Fourth time, you discharge them and you operate on them and you get more money for operating on them as well.
Speaker 1:The insurance company is happy because you've only done a few consultations and a quick operation or injection or keyhole surgery. They don't want you spending time with patients and multiple follow-ups and long-term follow-ups. They don't want any of that shit. They were like quickly just decide what you're going to do and do it and then discharge. So there's all these and it's the same in the NHS. You can't follow up patients.
Speaker 1:Patients are coming to you pre-packaged out in the musculoskeletal system so you get told this patient's got knee arthritis, see them in clinic, put them on the waiting list and then operate on them. So you've now become a technician. You're not diagnosing. I mean, a lot of my colleagues don't even examine their patients, so they've all. They just go by the diagnosis that someone else has made. Yeah, yeah, you know a physio, a GP or whoever. So yeah, and the thing is like I said, because you don't ask questions, you just pile them high, churn it out.
Speaker 1:Quality goes down, you're busy, you're frazzled, you've got a clinic of 50 people. You know, are you just going to just go? You know, all right, fine, right, you got knee arthritis. You want knee operation? Okay, yeah, right, I'll date you. Okay, bye, sign this goodbye, because that's the only way you can get through 50 people in a day. But if you actually go, oh, I see you've got knee arthritis. Is that the real problem? Tell me about your story. You know when does it start? What's your sleep like? Have you got mental health issues? You've got stress, because stress and anxiety and poor sleep amplify pain. Is it really surgery you want? Have you noticed anything in your diet? Could that be optimized? Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:I've got to tell you a story. I've got to tell you a story and I'm going to apologize to my regular listeners because they've heard this a million times. So in 2019, so I play a lot of tennis, I work out a lot in the gym I started getting knee pain in my left knee right Now I deal with musculoskeletal injuries myself, right, and I'm palpating my knee and I'm thinking, oh, is it the medial collateral ligament? Is it medial meniscus? It's all around the medial part of the knee. And I'm thinking well, you know, I'll just do everything I can in the gym to try and improve my core stability, make sure I'm not overpronating, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2:And what would happen is I played tennis at the weekend. It would affect my movement on the tennis court and I wouldn't be confident of really changing direction quickly, so I wouldn't be playing as well as I normally would. I could go to the gym and I could work out in the gym. Not a problem didn't affect me at all. But my knee pain would affect my general movement day to day during the week. By the next weekend the pain was pretty much gone and I could play tennis again, but then that would just happen every week, Right, and I could get about 90 degrees of flexion in my knee because of the pain. No, no more than 90 degrees. So this went on for a while. This went on for a while Inside part of your knee. Yeah, it was the medial, medial knee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, was it your, was it your, was it your pez and terrain?
Speaker 2:Oh well, let me. Let me tell you this, right, right. So it went on for a while, like maybe a couple of years, and I was with a friend of mine, we were teaching for the Czech Institute. I said, matt, you couldn't just run some tests on my knee? I think it's either the medial meniscus or it's the MCL. Could you just run some tests? I just want to know that I'm dealing with the right thing. So he's ran some tests and he's like nope, it's not MCL. Nope, it's not, it's not the meniscus, you've got osteoarthritis in the knee. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2:You used that as an example, right. So I was like, oh, that's interesting, that's interesting. And then some months went by and I decided I was, as part of my breakfast, I was eating, I was eating oats, right, yeah, and I decided I'm going to stop eating oats, not not even making any connection to the knee. Right, three weeks with no oats, I had full range of motion in my knee and zero pain. Right now, if I had gone to an orthopedic surgeon, I don't need to tell you what the result would have been, do I no 100? You know, you may have heard this saying right, if the only tool you've got is a hammer. Everything looks like a nail 100%.
Speaker 1:And all healthcare practitioners are guilty of that Surgeons, doctors, podiatrists, goddamn podiatrists and their orthotics. Jeez, Louise, I mean honestly, if you've got menstrual irregularity, fucking toothache, jaw pain, tinnitus, plantar fasciitis, you're walking out with an orthotic right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very expensive orthotic very expensive.
Speaker 1:But listen, listen, lee, listen, it's going to be a very special orthotic because it went all the way out to canada. The further away it went, the better it is, you know? I mean, it's this kind of bullshit, you know, and it's all all. All health care practitioners are guilty of this shit. So you're 100 right and this is what I'm talking about. So I would, I would be the idiot. I would be the idiot who would sit in my room and go right, okay, look, look, I know they've said you've got this diagnosis, but do you mind if we start from scratch? And I would listen to the patient, I would examine them and I'd be like, yeah, you've got a bit of wear and tear, but guess what? You don't need an injection, you don't need surgery, you need to lose a bit of weight, you need to exercise, you need to improve your sleep and your diet. This is how you do it blah, blah and the stress. I was stressed because you cannot listen to someone diagnose, someone explain the treatment options in five, ten minutes. It takes 45 minutes to an hour. How the fuck do you do that for 40 patients in one day? There aren't 40 hours in a day, so my clinics were routinely running late. My staff are stressed, everybody's stressed, I'm stressed and I feel like I'm cutting corners. I'm leaving patients confused because patients aren't happy. They're're like they've gone through so many hoops. They've spent two years to get to me and they're being told that you're going to see Mr Malik and he's going to operate on you and I turn around and say that diagnosis is shit, you don't need an operation.
Speaker 1:A lot of them would be relieved. A lot of them would be fucking pissed off at me. You've denied me my diagnosis. I was given this label, this is my diagnosis. And they fucking clutch onto it like it's so precious, and you're taking this diagnosis away from me. It's like you're taking my teddy bear away. It's like imagine a child. Imagine a child, and you take their teddy bear away. It's like what? And you're like I'm trying to fucking help you, but they're like I'm trying to fucking help you, but they're like ah, you fucking took my teddy bear away, like. And you're like oh, for fuck's sake, but this is what I meant, if you cared and if you wanted to do the right thing.
Speaker 1:It was fucking hard and you can see now why a lot of my colleagues go fuck it. You know what. Let's just give this patient an operation, just anything, for an easy life. Yeah, are they bad? Are they wrong? I'll leave that for you and your listeners to judge. You know what would you guys do in that situation? And be honest, you know, don't? You know it's easy to throw, you know stones, you know. But if you live in a glass house, just think about that, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you were that person going to work every fucking day and you can either do the right thing and it's painful and you get complaints and you get unhappy people and you have to fucking. It's a mission and it's stressful or you just do what, what's expected of you and what the managers and the protocols and the guidelines to do. And you know what. You know 20, 30 percent of the time it's fucking wrong and the patient doesn't need it. But you know what. You know 20-30% of the time it's fucking wrong and the patient doesn't need it. But you know what? The patient's smiling. They're ignorant, they're blissfully ignorant. They're very happy, they love you. They love you for doing this thing.
Speaker 1:That's actually unnecessary and wrong and unethical, but they don't know any better. So is anyone being harmed? Is there a really fucking problem in it, just going along with it. Can you see how Now I wager, I'm sorry most people listening, no matter what they fucking say, are going to go along with that easy option? Very few people go. No, I need to do what's right, even if it means I take flack for it and take the shit for it. But you know, being the muggins that I am, I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2:I can't fucking do that because it's wrong yeah, I mean you used an m word muggins. I'd use another m word morals. You've got morals and ethics. That's that's why I mean I do understand that for some people going down the moral, ethical route means that it might be quite difficult to pay off their student loan, and continuing to pay their mortgage or their rent is very tempting and very easy to say, well, if I just do this, it's going to make me a bit more comfortable and I'll be able to pay off my student loan a bit quicker and I'll be able to get on the housing ladder or you know, whatever it might be. But um, I think the last, the last four years, is it's kind of highlighted to a lot of people which which choice they would have made yeah, but you know what yeah, if you look, though, but I was gonna say so, if you look.
Speaker 1:The problem is also what's happened to people like all the whistleblowers that you know. Name the whistleblowers, right. Where has it ended, happily for them. Publicly, we know about a lot of whistleblowers, and you know what? It's all shit. You lose your job, you lose your livelihood, you get ridiculed. You, you get disgraced. It doesn't end well. No one wants to be a fucking whistleblower. No one wants to put their head above the parapet. So can I read something out to you? So this is quite important, right? Everywhere I go these days, everybody keeps saying to me the same thing. And it's really. It's really funny, lee, don't stop, don't stop, doc malik, keep going. And I'm like don't stop, keep going. What the fuck like?
Speaker 1:I went to this thing recently, um, what you call it, um, barbara o'neill and I walked into this hall with 1200 people in it and I was shocked because they're all lining up to speak to her and I was sitting in the front row too and as I sat down, a separate queue formed to meet me. I'm like like what the fuck is going on? And all these people are coming up and they wanted to shake my hand, they wanted to give me a hug and they wanted to take a picture with me and they wanted, and they kept saying all of them, doc, please don't stop, keep going, doc, keep going, keep going, don't stop. And I was like fucking everybody's saying the same shit. I was like why are they all saying that? And I spoke to someone recently, justin justin edgington, out in new zealand. I said, dude, tell me, why do they all fucking keep saying the same thing? Don't stop, keep going. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna read this to you, dear ahmed brother. This is justin right, and he is my brother. I mean, if you look at me, he's a baldy just like me. Interesting question to ponder, you know which is? You know why? Why do they keep saying to me? Why do they keep saying to me keep, keep going, carry on, don't stop.
Speaker 1:And he writes terrorism is selling or propagating terror, which causes fear. Fear is an old commodity that has been weaponized in recent times in almost every aspect of living. We have outsourced nearly all of our decisions to others to avoid the fear of making a mistake and the fear of the consequences. It's palpable to. Those who took the bat juice were afraid, not because they were weak, but because they had been told to be afraid. And this is all around us. Think of all the disaster movies in the last few decades. Slowly and surely, we have become risk-averse and unable to calculate the real risks, just like relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction. I'm led to believe many doctors don't know the difference even now. True, he's right, he's right.
Speaker 1:The worst thing about fear, the fear today is that people don't know how to manage it. They don't have the innate skills to critically analyze whether it's real or imagined. They are afraid of making decisions. They are afraid of being shamed. One of the most powerful human emotions is shame, and we both can recall clear as day when we were last shamed for something we should have been ashamed of, and this will never go away. So people need others like you to be their voice and to show them. They need not be afraid and they will slowly come to the light and regain some sense of self and sense. They cannot do it without others. We have to be the ones to say no more bullshit, no more fear.
Speaker 1:The very fact that like-minded people can now join together from every corner of the globe must mitigate this existential risk and make it totally transparent that wars do not need to be fought just to fund evil. You're on the hook, buster, and you know. You have to do what is right. What would the kids think if they knew we know and decide to live the lies every day? That's the first rung of the psychopathy ladder, and we have far too many of those around us. Sadly, they look like us and smile sweetly as they screw us over or worse. Without your work, my work, ursula's work, that's his wife and thousands more, I dare I say it's critical thinking and modest intellect. The rest, who look to us for reassurance and guidance, will be doomed to more fear, more propaganda, more risk, more damage and more exploitations. To steal someone's emotive state and their right to happiness is manifestly evil and disgusting. That's why they keep telling you don't stop and keep going. It's quite powerful, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it is very powerful. I do think there's there's two different reasons why people are queuing up to say hi and thank you, etc. And I think one is genuine appreciation. I think a lot of people look at you and understand that you have stuck your head above the parapet and you have suffered because of it, and they appreciate that you've done the right thing, which is contradictory to 99% of your profession who should know better, probably do know better but decide to keep their head below the parapet so that they can put food on the table and a roof over their head.
Speaker 2:I think that's part of it, but I do also think there is and this is probably more so the people that want that event is that there are a lot of people in society who they look for what I would call a faulty God model. So whether it's a religious God or whether it's someone in a white coat, whether it's a school teacher, whether it's someone that reads the news, whether it's a politician, you know we are brainwashed as children to look up to that God model. God model right, and whatever they say is the truth right. Imagine if you know you get to 25, 30, 35 and someone says to you you know everything you learned at school was a lie. What would most people's reaction to that be?
Speaker 2:shut up, no way yeah, and you know, you know I tried to explain to someone the other day that if you look at the numbers, if you look at death rates, there's no sign that there was a pandemic in 2020, right, exactly.
Speaker 2:If you look at the death numbers, and he looked at me like I told him an atomic bomb was just about to land, the look of fear on his face and that was just typical of, sadly, what most people are seeing. You know, there's a lot of people, sadly, who live in a world that doesn't even exist.
Speaker 2:You know, they think they think that politicians are there to help us and that we've got a choice, because we can vote for one side or the other, and they've got no idea that actually, behind that there's people pulling the strings of both sides and it's the same people and one again looking at that from a from a deeper level. And you know this comes from the work of people like Ken Wilber and they talk about in humanity there are different levels of consciousness and there are a lot of adults that still have a child consciousness, which means they're still looking for that God figure or that daddy figure, parent figure to look after them and keep them safe, to look after them and keep them safe. And if someone comes along and says, actually you know your parents, they've been abusing you, that's too, that's too much for them to accept and it's very difficult for someone at that level of consciousness to think at the level of perhaps someone like like us, who you know.
Speaker 2:We're at a different level of consciousness and this is something that I might come on to talk to you about a little bit more later. But what? What I want you to talk about now? Okay, so you've spoken about your experience of working in in the medical establishment. You've gone from nhs to private. It was, you know, it's a little bit better, but still things aren't really as they should be. We're coming to 2020. We're starting to see on the tv there are people falling down in the street to their immediate death in china. Right, can you talk us through from that point up until now, what your experience has been of of that whole, what we're probably going to call the covid era, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, can I quickly just say yeah? Um, if you listen to my podcast, you'll hear me say stop looking for a messiah, or a savior or a hero?
Speaker 1:yeah, look in the mirror and the hero is there. Save yourself. No one is coming for you. Anyone who listens to me will see that I keep saying that. That's my message. I don't want to be anyone's hero. I don't want to be anyone's savior. Unless we all change and save ourselves, we're doomed. And anyone out there in the so-called movement who is trying to be your hero and is telling you oh, just follow me and I'll lead the way, they're not one of the good ones. Yeah, and also you said 99% of my colleagues. You're wrong, mate, it's higher.
Speaker 1:Mate. Look, there are 300,000 doctors currently registered on the GMC right. How many doctors do you know in the UK who are vocal and have been speaking at?
Speaker 2:Can you name any Off the top of my head? Obviously you, David Cartland, Sam White. Yeah, I'm struggling now.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, maybe Sarah Myhill yeah, sarah Myhill yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm struggling now. Right, okay, maybe Sarah Myhill, yeah, sarah Myhill, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:Ian McDermott. Five. Jane Donahan. Six. Anne McCloskey. Seven. Tess Laurie has never really been a practicing medical doctor, but yeah, let's just throw her in eight.
Speaker 2:So anyway.
Speaker 1:Test Lawry's never really been a practicing medical doctor, but, yeah, let's just throw her in 8. So, anyway, let's just say 10. Right, just in case I missed anyone, oh, tony Hinton, tony Hinton. Yeah, let's just say 10. 10 divided by 300,000, alright times 100, that's .003% of doctors. Wow, .003% of doctors. 0.003%, mate, not 1%. 0.003% of doctors. That's a pretty sad statistic, isn't it? Yeah, anyway, I'm not telling anyone to. You know, follow me, or me being a hero. One of the other things I kept saying to people was you know, don't call me a hero. Anyway, I'm just very, very normal. And the other problem is, you know, when you're a hero to some people not everyone, but a lot of people it's like you know, do you remember the first time you had a crush on someone? That was a long time ago, mate, I'm I'm getting on a bit um, but lee, lee, do you remember the?
Speaker 2:first time you really fancy someone. Probably it's probably wonder woman, I'm guessing in the 70s, all right okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1:Or the first person you really fell in love with, right, like you were just totally head over here, yeah, yeah, do you not think? Do you not think most of that love was just a projection of what you thought of them rather? Than what they really so 100 you didn't fall in love with them because of their characteristics and what what they were like. You were in love with them because of what you had imagined and conjured up in your head absolutely and and the problem is sometimes, when you then get to know that person, you get really disappointed.
Speaker 1:You're like you. You're not coming up to my mark. I fell in love with you because you were all these things and now, now you're not. I'm so upset, I'm not in love with you anymore and you get angry with this person and you get upset with this person. You get disappointed with this person.
Speaker 1:But that person never, ever pretended to be anything other than they were. It was always you and your head imagining them to be something that they never were. And when you then get to, then, when you come to the realization of who they really are, you can either say, oh, I fucked up and I was a bit ridiculous imagining all this thing, but you're never going to blame yourself. What you do is you blame the other person. You blame the other person for not coming up to your expectations. Well, the problem with being a hero is quite often some people think you're a hero and you're amazing, and you know, you poop out gold turd, you know whatever it is and you're just amazing. And then when they get to meet you in person and they go, ah, it's quite ordinary you can either realize that actually it was unrealistic projecting all these things on this person who's human and flawed and makes mistakes and doesn't fucking know everything. Or you can be really angry and upset. You know that you feel let down, that this person lied to you and this person, you know, you know is a fake or a phony.
Speaker 1:And I'll give an example. There's a, there's a supporter of mine, well, used to be, and, um, you know he was emailing me all the time and telling me how he fucking loved me and this and that, and I was like, oh, that's nice and you know, just tone it down a bit. And one day we met at this conference and after the conference, you know, he unsubscribed. He unsubscribes as a paid supporter. And he told another supporter, who I know and is actually a friend of mine. He went yeah, I don't support Ahmed, he's such a fake. He talks about health and he talks about reducing screen time, but when he was on that war on health conference, he spent his whole time on the phone. You know he's a hypocrite. It's like okay, so yeah, so clearly he met me. He had these images on his head caught, caught me in a few times trying to get through all the correspondence because I get bombarded, mate, every day. So I'm going to go through all the emails and correspondence and get through to my supporters and talk to people so that actually when I get home I'm not on my phone and I can spend time with my wife and kids and chat. But you know what? This guy saw me on my phone and thought, look at him, what a hypocrite and unsubscribed. And um, yeah, just thinks I'm a fraud and a fake and whatever. And maybe that wouldn't have happened if he didn't have that hero complex in the first place. So anyway, look, long story short, let's go back to covid. So now covid is here.
Speaker 1:I'm full-time private, you know, three days a week I'm working just in the private sector. And now I've been told I can't, I can't work, I can't work, I can't do anything. And you know, and I fell for it yeah, I won't lie, I'd come out of the Brexit party thing. I was in the Brexit party, I stood for it as a candidate. I took a lot of abuse. My private practice got hit by 50%, which is huge, because all the local GPs were like you know. It became quite obvious that. You know everybody talks that you know I'm standing as a brexit party candidate and I'd literally have colleagues walking down past the card and go you fucking idiot. I was like sorry, excuse me, you're in the brexit party. Yeah, I was like yeah, and they go like you know, just stuff like that. It's just a fucking hell, man. I had people in the street come up to me and call me a nazi, white supremacist, racist. I mean like I was looking at them like do you know my skin color, have you?
Speaker 2:seen my name like so.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I was really tough time coming out of 2019 for me. I could not wait for 2020. I just wanted to get on with my life. I was in a bad place psychologically, financially, really struggling, mentally not good, and wife like, oh baby, what is this whole politics, malarkey, can you just do your job and stop getting into trouble?
Speaker 1:And then all this COVID shit comes along and I fell for it. And I know I fell for it because I was mentally weak, fragile, but I fell for it for about three, four weeks and you know, within a week of lockdown, I was like this is bullshit. They're telling people to wait until they're almost dead before they call the ambulance. This is nonsense. This is absolute nonsense. You know we should be doing early treatment and helping people. And it was like no, the message was the complete opposite.
Speaker 1:And I know, as a doctor and a surgeon, the quicker you get into something, you know get something and treat it or diagnose it, and you know the less severe it becomes and the easier it is to treat. The more advanced something is, the higher the chance you cannot treat it or that the treatment will be more complicated and will have higher risks and a less optimal outcome. So I kind of know that from my practice. I was like this just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. I was like, oh fuck, it's two weeks, whatever.
Speaker 1:But then it became more than two weeks and then the hospitals shut me out. They said, oh, we're not doing any private practice, nothing, and we're going to do NHS work instead. So I wasn't, I didn't have furlough, I didn't have any income and I'm literally just stuck in my garden with my little kids. I'm like what the fuck? And because I was on all these stand in the park sorry Brexit party groups they suddenly transformed into stand in the park groups and stuff like that and I started looking at all the stuff that they're posting and it got all very dark, started seeing things about adrenochrome, about, you know, vaccine mandates and this and that, and I was like this is way early, like March, april, and I was like what is this conspiratorial bullshit like this is crazy.
Speaker 1:So I switched off all of that and I just to treat my mental demons just got into the garden, dug up the pond, filled it up, you know, chopped down some trees, just started doing a lot of physical stuff in my garden and looking after the kids. And and then I was like August, september, october, I started finding out, yeah, they're definitely coming up with some vaccine. And I was terrified at this point Because everything they were talking about back in March, april, in these groups, it sounded like it was real. And they were talking about gene therapy back in March, april, in these groups. And suddenly they're talking about this mRNA gene. And I'm like what the fuck? And groups, and suddenly they're talking about this mRNA gene. And I'm like what the fuck? And I was like this is scary, this is gonna be really scary. I don't want this shit.
Speaker 1:But my wife was like I want to sign up as a volunteer for the experiment. I was like what? I think we've got a young family like you want to be an experiment. Like what happens if you get really sick or die. Do you want? I want to help, I want to help. I was like no, and so we had this huge argument. I was like let other people fucking help. Just, oh, my god, you're working as a doctor, you're already helping. We got a young family. You know what you're going to leave me a widow if something happens. She was like you're being a dramatic. I was like no, I'm not being dramatic.
Speaker 1:It's never heard of getting a vaccine out in like six months. Five months, it's ridiculous. And this it doesn't even seem like it's a proper vaccine. And at this point you know I'd gotten my vaccines and everything and but I was skeptical of the flu vaccine because everybody gets a flu vaccine and we still have a flu season. So it kind of like seemed like bullshit to me. I had the flu shot once and it made me sick and I was like what the fuck? So I was getting skeptical way of vaccines. I was also very like it was a hard sell like I've never been one for the hard sell. And increasingly over the last 10 years vaccines have been really shoved up our faces and it's like what the fuck man? Why are they pushing this of all things, like the nhs is not meant to have money or resources, but we always seem to have the money and the resources to push this ship. This doesn't make sense to me anyway. So I managed not to stop my wife from enrolling in these fucking experimental things.
Speaker 1:But then, when the vaccines did come out, she was like, yeah, I'm gonna have it. And I read the emergency use authorization. It didn't make fucking sense to me and I was like no, this, I don't think this is still a study and it's not. It's just some fucking gene thing. She went oh, don't you know what mRNA is like? And like she talked to me in a way that just scripted out of the tv like I'm a Neanderthal. And then she was like are you conspiratorial? You sound like a crazy person. Maybe you need to get some help. I'm really worried about your mental health. I was like, oh, for fuck's sake. I was like I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I've had all my vaccines and I and I was and all my colleagues were like, oh, just take the vaccine. You need to come back to work, you need to help.
Speaker 1:And honestly, it was about half an hour. I was like should I get the vaccine or not? My wife had booked me in and her me first, her about like two, three hours later, and I went to this place and I was like I had all these questions in my head. I got, essentially I got a shot in my arm. I got no informed consent, I got nothing, it was just bang in my arm and I was like what the fuck? I felt so violated. I think I got a saline shot, though I had no reaction afterwards, nothing at all, but I felt sick to the core and I promised myself never to have another one.
Speaker 1:I couldn't stop my wife and that was a very difficult year, very difficult, very straining on the marriage. Anyway, I managedining on the marriage. Anyway, I managed to wake her up. She listened to the podcast with Joe Rogan and Peter McCullough and Robert Malone and she was like, oh shit. I was like, yeah, so not only did it stop her from getting any more, she went the kids are never going to have any and, um, you know, we're proper anti-vaxxers now going to have any. And um, you know, we're proper anti-vaxxers now. So, from so, from being vaxxed and vaxxers we are is we are fucking anti-vaxxers now.
Speaker 1:But then I I didn't really do anything about it. I was like and it wasn't on social media, I gave up on twitter after the brexit thing. It was fucking awful. But then when the mandates came you know I've now gone back to private hospital. Eventually we had to remortgage our house because I wasn't earning to pay for all the bills and um, eventually I've got back to work now, but it's like 20, 22 January and they're talking about mandates and I'm like what the fuck? And I'm getting emails saying in the next two, three months, if you don't get your second shot and your booster, you can't work. And I'm like what? And I definitely had COVID in January, february 2020. I had something. So when people say there was nothing, that's not true. I had something. I don't know what it was. I don't know if it's 5g poison virus, I don't know. I had something. Was it more lethal than the flu? Clearly not, but I had something. And then I'm like, oh, I'm not having this.
Speaker 1:So then I went public, in the sense that I went on GB News and I spoke out against the vaccines and the mandates and I went on Marchies and then the mandates were returned. So I went back to my life just helping people, and I didn't want to be on social media. I don't want any of this attention, just want to fix feet. Sorry, mate, the hay fever is really bad, I'm really struggling. And then, um sorry, everybody listening, I'm so sorry. And then and then it was 2022 December when Asim Mahotra messaged me saying are you seeing any harms? And I was like, yeah, of course I am everywhere in my clinic room.
Speaker 1:Colleagues are talking about it, at the school gate, at the local duck pond, you know, I'll give an example. Like one of the parents of one of the young kids in our school, he was at the duck pond just before the school gates opened. You know we take our kids to the duck pond and his leg was swollen and red. I went oh, dude, I think you've got a DVT. He went yeah, I do, I do. I went oh good, you've been diagnosed. He went yeah, I'm on the injections now. I went oh, have get the blood clot. You had surgery, an injury? He went. No, I went. Have you had any shots? He went. Yeah, I had one four weeks ago. I went. It could be that he went really, because people don't get blood clots for no fucking reason, man.
Speaker 1:But I was seeing terrible cancers, neurological conditions, ms Parkinson's, the neurologist that I worked with and he was telling me how his clinic was heaving with weird and wonderful things and he thinks it's all because of the jabs. My neighbors are all getting shingles, you know, it's just just wherever you looked, my um, my kid's kickboxing coach, you know, 28 year old, her, her twin, her 28 year old twin died suddenly of a heart attack. You know what. And I could go on and on nurses coming up to me telling me, oh, my nephew died of a heart attack after the second shot, you know. And he was only like 31. You know, look, shit, that is not normal. Right, this is not normal. So when I see my heart just said to me is are you seeing it? I was like, yes, I'm seeing stuff. You know, please do a video. Please do a video and put it on your Twitter. I don't do Twitter, I'll send it to you. I've got a cab. I don't fucking go there, just don't bother. I've got an Instagram account, london, for an ankle surgeon. It's changed now he went. Look, just send me the video and please put it on your own Twitter. So I was.
Speaker 1:I turned my scrubs early in the morning. I just did one take very quickly. I said, look, you know what? We're seeing these? A lot of weird stuff. Now Maybe it's down to these experimental shots, biggest experiment on humanity. Maybe we should stop. Maybe we should pause and investigate what exactly is going on.
Speaker 1:I put up my Twitter. I went to operate. Three hours later, four hours later, it's got 500,000 views, like a million views. I'm like, oh shit. Suddenly my twitter account's gone, like from 800 people, whatever it was, to like almost 10 000. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1:And then, and within 24 hours, I get these letters, emails from two of the big private hospitals national medical director, saying we've been notified of this tweet and this video. Take it down, don't ever talk about this again. You're breaching your social media policy guidelines. And you know, stick to your scope of practice. I like. You know I'm a foot and ankle surgeon. Stick to that. I wrote. I was like, really bamboozled. I was like what the fuck? Like surely? So I wrote back to them.
Speaker 1:I was like my scope of practice is, as a doctor, patient safety first and foremost. Are you telling me not to speak up about a matter of patient safety as required by the gmc article 23, 24, whatever it is? You know and, what's worse, you know me being wrong, you investigating and telling me that or me being right and you telling me to shut up, be quiet. I was like, no, I'm going to carry on doing this, I'm sorry, you can't stop me.
Speaker 1:And then what ensued was six months of just fucking harassment emails saying come, we've had another complaint, you need to come for a meeting. And I'd be like, no, why should I come for a meeting? I'm going to bring an advocate. Then no, you don't need to bring an advocate. Yes, I'm going to bring an advocate. Then no, you don't need to bring an advocate. Yes, I'm going to bring an advocate. You know, we've had another anonymous complaint. Well, what is it that I've said? That's wrong? Is this a patient or mine? You know, what do you agree with with them? And it was like it was just backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards.
Speaker 1:And eventually they got me. They went we about you being transphobic, your transphobic tweets. This is in May 2023. And again, but this time they didn't ask for a meeting. This time they didn't ask.
Speaker 1:My medical director goes I'm going to refer my concerns about you to the GMC. And I'm like, well, fucking, go ahead and refer your concerns about me to the GMC. And I'd never been referred to the GMC. I didn't know. I don't know what it means, you know, I don't know if she had referred me or not. I didn't think she had. But then I told some of my friends and they went oh my God, you've been referred to the GMC. I went have I Fuck, have I been referred to the GMC? I was like well, like, here is the referral, here is the complaint about you. I was waiting for a letter from the GMC to tell me we've received a complaint, we're going to be investigating you. I didn't fucking hear anything. Six weeks, eight weeks went by. I wrote to the GMC Am I under any complaint? Never heard anything.
Speaker 1:And then three, four months later I get a phone call from another hospital, another hospital that had written to me saying stop the video business. And they that had written to me saying stop the video business. And they said we're suspending you with immediate effect. I went why you were referred to the gmc and you didn't. You never told us. I was like hold up, have I been referred because I've written to them? I've not heard it. Yes, you have been. You know you have been.
Speaker 1:I went look, I've been threatened with a referral. Well, you, you knew and you should have told us I. I went oh, for fuck's sake. Look, there's no patient involved. I've done nothing wrong. A bogus referral, totally meaningless, never actually got any paperwork to say here's a referral or confirmation from GMC and you're suspending me. Yeah, we're doing an investigation now. Oh, for fuck's sake. And I thought they're going to investigate and then just say, all right, just don't do this again or whatever. Next time you're threatened or whatever, let us know. Two months later they wrote and said we've permanently suspended you and that's it.
Speaker 1:And that was where I'd worked for 10 years, my main private practice. 80% of my patients came from there, therefore my income from there, and they just fucking booted me out over a fucking technicality and I we did a freedom subject access request. And it turns out that hospital that said oh, you failed to notify us. They knew before my medical. That medical director had even contacted me to tell me she had concerns about she had informed the other medical director of this big private hospital chain that, oh, you know what? We've got these complaints. I'm going to be referring Amit to the medical. You know the GMC and their these complaints. I'm going to be referring Amit to the medical. You know the GMC and the GMC referral, the letter, the referral letter she never copied me in. She copied the other hospital in the other medical director in, and there's a box that says have you referred, have you copied in Dr Malik or are the doctor concerned? She goes no. So this hospital that suspended me had known about this referral for three months, unlike me, did nothing about it.
Speaker 1:But when the gmc wrote back to the first medical director and said actually, we understand your concerns about amit. He is conspiratorial and anti-vaxxer, but there is no fitness to practice issue. Why we're not going to investigate him? So they didn't investigate me. We're not going to investigate him. Why don't you explore your local hospital policies if you're concerned about him? They took that. The first hospital clearly notified the second hospital. The second hospital went all right, fuck it, they're not doing anything, let's just get him on this technicality. And that's what they did, kicked me out. And let's just get them on this technicality. And that's what they did. Kicked me out. And then another hospital that I worked on in London, two, three months later they suspended me because they said oh, you know, you've had this guest on your podcast and you've done a clip of it on your Instagram and they're critical of Israel and they're saying that Israeli officials are calling for genocide in Gaza, sorry, ethnic cleansing in Gaza, which is true, which is true. We've had an anonymous complaint and we think you're you know, we want to make sure you know you're not anti-Semitic, you're not a danger to patients and staff. So we're investigating. So they investigated me for four months, five months, suspended me again and the outcome of that was I'm not anti-Semitic.
Speaker 1:My podcasts are very balanced and fair, but that's the punishment is the process. The punishment is the process and the GMC is a tool that's been weaponized. Now, like the general osteopathic cancer, like the general chiropractic cancer, like the general dental cancer, it's all there to push the government narrative and if you're a dissident doctor, a healthcare practitioner, if you speak your mind and go against the grain, they will fuck you over. So I I handed in my gmc registration license in january. I went fuck you, fuck you in the profession. You know you're all scum and um, I don't want anything to do with you. Voila, and here we are. Yeah, now you should make a. You should make a disclaimer at the beginning of the podcast that if you don't want to hear swear words, don't listen yeah, no, there's a.
Speaker 2:There's a tick box when I upload it as to whether it's an explicit material. So we're all good. We're all good, and I think most people that listen to my podcast are probably okay with with that anyway. So what I want to move on to is probably the most important thing, in my view, of what we're going to discuss today. So you know, whilst it's really important that we should never forget what's happened, because otherwise things are going to keep repeating, what I really want to do, I want to think forwards and I want to think about solutions. My question to you is if you were made head of health for the UK tomorrow, what would you do to optimize the health of the nation?
Speaker 1:That's a great question. Good question, mate. So first of all, I would go to schools and I would revamp the whole education system and I would teach every child how to be healthy, how to eat properly, how to exercise, how to sleep, and I'd teach them all when they're age 4 or 5. I'd ban all vaccines, all childhood vaccines, all flu shots, everything. I would highly encourage people not to get junk food. I would disincentivize them by taxing it.
Speaker 1:I would reduce the tax burden to like literally 5% VAT and nothing else. No income tax, no company tax, no corporation tax. There'd be a tax on maybe like transactions, maybe like a 0.1% digital transaction tax or something like that. I'd stop sending money to Ukraine, israel, weapons and bombs and shit like that. I would reduce the number of parliamentarians to about 60. I would get rid of political parties and have everyone as independents one term only. I would get rid of the NHS. It would be local, community-led, non-profit hospitals and clinics, every one of them. I would get rid of nice guidelines and protocols and shit like that. I would get rid of these registration bodies. You can register with anyone you want, anywhere. They're not national, they're not government, privy, council bullshit. There'll be freedom of choice, real democracy like real, sorry, you know, market, free market, choice of dentists, doctors, chiropractors, whatever you know, and people will be like oh, but if you'reors, whatever you know, you know and that people will be like, oh, but if you're not regulated, how'd you, how'd you get the quacks?
Speaker 1:It's very simple, it's justice. Someone's a quack and does something you know. You go around and you sort them out and you know what you get found out. Your business comes to an end. Police forces would all be um local community, run, nothing centralized. Your police officers come from your community. They know the community, they serve the community. You know they're not helping people who they don't even know.
Speaker 1:And then, from a health point of view, medical people, doctors would all go learn about nutrition. They'd learn about herbal medicine, chiropractic medicine, osteopathy, all this kind of stuff, and they would know how to use these people in a team-led thing and how actually it's okay to work in a team and outsource and have people from lots of disciplines working together. And I'd like that, I'd really like that you so you'd have a common root training program for everybody. And then if you want to be a chiropractor, you go down one end. If you want to become an osteopath, you go another end. If you want to become a physician, you go one end. If you want to become a surgeon, you go another end and all are equally respected. There's not some kind of fucking stupid hierarchy. Well, I'm a doctor, you know. I'm on this pedestal now because I'll tell you another thing. There's a lot of people who are chiropractors and physios and and they've got hang-ups, they've got a chip on their shoulder and they are a bit resentful of the doctors and they feel like we're just as good as them and that chip, that ego, that doesn't serve them well either. I mean, everybody should just be on the same level playing field. But if you've got a common route where you're being taught about nutrition, sleep, health, anatomy, physiology, everybody goes to the same school. Everybody goes to that basic training and then you just subspecialize another two, three years in the field that you want to go and everyone comes out equally respected and, you know, valued in society.
Speaker 1:And we're taught every individual is taught to be responsible for their own health, that the state is not there to help them. The state is only there to for national defense and foreign affairs. It's not going to fucking help you if you get into a sticky, jammy position. You need to stand on your own two feet, help yourself, make the right decisions, you know. Stop waiting for someone else to help you. And it would go on and on, and some people might be like what the hell? Oh, I'd also get rid of the fiat currency system. The Ponzi scheme Money would be nationalized. It wouldn't be owned by the central bankers, it would be national, sovereign currency. Natural law would trump common law would trump everything else, sigh, sigh. I think that's a good place to start, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:I mean, oh yeah, I'd also get rid of 5G shit. Every house would be, you know, you know wifi. Get rid of that, and it would be like ethernet cables again to reduce the emf.
Speaker 1:You know um toxicity. Get rid of security cameras, um, I would get rid of 15 minute cities and ules. I would not promote electric cars. I'd get rid of chemtrails. I would ask people to buy organic. I'd get rid of pesticides and organophosphates and all that shit. I would teach people how to cook again. I would improve the quality of living and standard living so that two couples don't have to work. That you know, people can spend time at home raising their kids, because that's when the kids are imprinted, you know, from the age of four to seven. I revamped the education system so it's not indoctrination. I bring up a generation of free thinkers and critical thinkers who are sovereign and powerful and question authority. That's what I would do. Lots of things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think I disagree with anything that you just said. Um, what I guess you know, if we're gonna, if we're gonna make that a reality, I mean you think what an amazing world we would live in if, if just those things were implemented, right, right, I guess the next question most people ask is but how do we get from where we are now to there? Because obviously you can't just, you know, just take the example of farming as an example. You can't say to farmers, right as of six months time, you can't use all these pesticides and herbicides, rodenticides, et cetera. That has to be done gradually, because if every farm did that, you probably wouldn't have enough food for a few years, because it takes time for the soil to heal. As an example, and you could kind of look at each you know, switching from a fiat currency to a, you know, a more um crypto type freedom currency again to flip that overnight would be probably a disaster. Any ideas on how you would gradually do that?
Speaker 1:so I'm I'm not even sure if I want a freedom crypto thing. I just I don't. I want cash, right, I want cash, but it's based on gold and silver. It's a finite amount. You don't print more. You're not allowed to print more. What's on, what's around is around, that's it. You don't make debt out of nothing. Fucking. Get rid of this whole debt money-based system. I'd cancel all debts.
Speaker 1:That would fuck them all up, everyone's debts would go away. Fucking them all up, everyone's debts would go away. Fucking, I mean it like just gone student loans, car loan, fucking it's all gone. And just um, just go, but get back to cash. But it's backed by gold and silver and um, you know, that's what I would have. And the thing is, um, yeah, it has to be done gradually, slowly, but the way it works is, mate, is is. I'm afraid things are going to have to get really a lot worse before it gets better, until every individual says, no, we're not playing along. So what I mean by that is just imagine tomorrow, you know what's the actual turnout for voting 40%, normally, 50 percent max.
Speaker 2:I think it's slightly lower than that. I think it was 30. Yeah, something apart with the brexit was the best turnout for a long time, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:okay, so exactly so, 30 percent people. Let's just take 35 35 people vote right, so that's 65 people are not voting. If those 65 people came out and voted for an independent candidate, that candidate would win by a fucking landslide. Now let's take that 65% and just say fuck that, let's go half half of that right, 32.5% and they all voted Half of the people who don't vote. If just half the people who don't vote voted for an independent candidate, they'd win by a landslide Right. Fuck the Conservatives, labour, liberal Democrat, green Party, all those reform fucking bullshit parties who all?
Speaker 1:serve the same masters. Imagine you've got an independent candidate who said I'm independent, I will go to Parliament, I will not be. You know, there's no whip. I'm not going to serve a party. I'm not going to serve a party, I'm not going to serve the WEF, I'm not going to serve the UN agendas, I'm not going to serve the globalists, I'm going to serve you. And I'm going to just do four years and I'm going to serve you and say everywhere around the country, you got the 600 people, 650 people vote that candidate and you'd have 650 independent people who could then change fucking everything.
Speaker 1:Right, but people don't vote, people don't spoil the battle and if they do vote, they vote for their blue party or their red party and their yellow party, because they don't think and they don't take personal responsibility. You walk around the street and all the men have got dad bods and are fat and drinking and vaping and watching football and cheering on their team and they know who scored the winning goal in the FA Cup in 1990, whatever, and they think it's a fucking great thing that they know this fact and statistic and all the names of the football players and their team going back 20. I mean fucking pathetic. Where are the men when it comes to defending your family and your children and your homes? No, they're too busy supporting their football team.
Speaker 1:So as long as people are indoctrinated, brainwashed, abdicating their personal responsibility and making really bad choices because they're convenient and easy and comfortable, rather than choosing discomfort and hard choices and sacrifices, then we're fucked. And, frankly, the parasitical predatory class has every right to feed on us and treat us like sheep and meat to be consumed because we walk onto that table of theirs, lie down on their plate and provide them with the knife and fork and say, yeah, eat me, you know, until we stand up and say, no, nothing's going to change, so it's all down to us now. That's why I think it's. It's not the, it's the level of discomfort isn't high enough. More people need to die, more people need to suffer, more people need to have their freedoms taken away. And even then, it might still not be enough, because even then, people might be happy to live in their one-bedroom flat with their digital daily allowance of money and will eat their printed 3D fucking shit food and watch their porn and football and vape their drugs and take their intoxicants and be happy with that.
Speaker 2:And unless we say no to that, nothing's going to change. So, based on that, I guess probably the most important thing is how do we help these people begin their awakening process? What do you think would be the best way to help these people begin their awakening process? What? What do you think would be the best way to help these people begin to awaken? What?
Speaker 1:you're doing what I'm doing podcast awareness and talking about it, letting people know, making them wake up from their stupor. Use, humor, humor, sarcasm, mockery, deride them. Cuts through that. You know there's a reason why you would have the court jester because, the dictatorial king would be put in his place by the court jester.
Speaker 1:It would make sure they never became a tyrant. The king allowed that. They knew it was in their interest to have a court jester to take the piss at the king and remind the king. Because if the king is surrounded by everyone who just says yes, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, very quickly that power gets to your head and you start making some really fucking stupid mistakes and everyone's too scared to say anything, so bad shit happens. And and if you have a court jester who just goes, what the fuck you crazy? It's a good reminder. Oh, oh shit. So we just need to raise that awareness and we also need to live by example. We have to live ourselves in a way that's happy and positive and healthy. And then the other people who are sick and miserable turn around and go. What is that about that person? What are they doing?
Speaker 1:and then they ask you what you know, what are you doing? And you know, and then you, you, you tell them, and then you go wow, okay, shit, there's another way of doing things oh, dude, yeah, that's something that I, you know.
Speaker 2:I I come across with a lot of my clients and if they start working with me and they start getting healthier, and then their partner starts to distance themselves from them and they start to criticize what they oh, you're eating that you know? Who do you think you know all that kind of stuff? Right, and so my clients like, what should I? Do? You know they want their partner to be healthy as well.
Speaker 2:Right, and so I say to them look, your partner probably thinks that you're going to leave them because you're becoming someone else, but you're becoming someone better, yeah the only thing you can do is it's in you insecurity, yeah, insecurity but continue doing what you're doing and hope that you're going to be an inspiration to that other person.
Speaker 2:You can't tell them that they need to do it as well. Just just keep doing what you're doing and be the inspiration, because there's going to be a point where the penny drops. You know that. You know, going down the pub and drinking all this alcohol and fighting people over what team they support, at some point they're going to realize, actually, they can see that their partner's having a much better time because they're not doing those things right. So, 100%, definitely, definitely being inspiration. And when you mentioned the jester, uh, the person that sprung to mind is doing a really great job with that is a, a colleague of mine, actually JPC, who, if you've not watched his videos, he's the king of satire.
Speaker 1:I've reached out to him so many times saying come on my podcast. He hasn't responded. He's hilarious, Love that guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's great, and Ricky Gervais as well. He's very good at pointing out certain things as well, yeah, so so, yeah, there's lots of changes to be made, but also there's lots that we can do. So education is one of the things that people like us can do, but other people as well, you know people watch and listen to our podcast. They can share the work that we're doing, and others, many others like us as well that are coming up with some amazing information. But also, again, just summarizing what you said as well as educating, live it yourself and be the inspiration for other people, and if that doesn't work, just smash them over the head.
Speaker 2:I think that's that's probably, yeah, yeah, but I think we've we've pretty much covered that. I mean, we could probably talk for hours about solutions and and, obviously, that there would be potential problems as well in terms of implementing all that. And if we started to implement it, there'd be certain people that would not be happy and we'd have to cover that off. But that's maybe another conversation. I know, I know you're really, uh, pushed for time, so I don't want to keep you any longer, but what I do want to ask you is, again, this is my kind of signature question is really what? What's next for you and what's what's coming up next? What have you got in the pipeline?
Speaker 1:are you coming on my podcast? That's very true yeah, um, so I'm going to be writing three books awesome and I'm going to be offering health guide consultations and, um, probably next year maybe do a book tour if I get this goddamn book my first book out and live events brilliant. I you know I want to get out to as many people as possible, but I also want to connect with my supporters. I love them yeah, I'm not messiah.
Speaker 1:You won't see me going around going oh, worship me, and it was to save me. I'm going to save you. Look, I'm going to tell everyone. No one above you, no one beneath you simple as that yeah and um, I can't.
Speaker 1:I'll meet you with a hug, but if you, if you put me on a pedestal, I want you to push me straight off, or I'm walking off it, you know. So I want to meet people. I want to publicize my book when it comes out and make a difference. I want to make a difference in this world. I want to make a good difference so that my kids look back and go. My dad was a fucking legend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that sounds great, and you know that you're definitely not going to have any problems filling live events, that's for sure. But I think one of the reasons why you are so popular is because you're sending out a message that's really hitting people. You're either hitting a nerve or you're hitting their heart, or probably both. So I think a lot of the things that you're saying are a lot of things that people need to hear, I think, which, ultimately, is the truth. Right, and where can people find you online, ahmed?
Speaker 1:Just want to say thanks, Lee, for all your nice kind words. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:My pleasure.
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Speaker 2:not that much yeah, I mean, when I look at you know people pay for Sky TV, netflix, amazon Prime, all these people that are brainwashing you, who are doing movies that are predictive programming. Very rarely do they ever tell you anything. That's the truth. All of those cost more than what you're charging a month. And listen. I'm a subscriber to your podcast for one reason that is amazing information. So I'm going to ask all my followers, all my listeners, to subscribe to Doc Malik's podcast. Actually, I've never read your sub stack. I have to admit. It might be a better thing to subscribe to, actually, but I very rarely get time to read stuff, apart from all the books that I read. But so, yeah, I highly recommend you do subscribe. Again, I don't know which ones are behind the payroll, cause I just listen.
Speaker 1:Can I be honest with you, the sub stack is quite nice.
Speaker 1:I do do a lot of writing on it and it's very cathartic and I didn't think I would enjoy writing. But I actually really enjoy writing and I don't do it very often Like right, like most of them are just publishing my podcast and talking about the podcast a bit. But I, you know, once, at least once or twice a week, I will write just an article or something and I think it is relevant. I think it's important because you get to know a little bit more about me and what I think and my take on the world. Um yeah, so I kind of enjoy it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, awesome, I mean, thank you so much. I know, I know you're pushed for time and and double thanks because you've pushed through the hay fever as well this morning. Um, yeah, I seem to have this effect on that. Things like that tend to happen to my guests on the day that we're doing, uh, the recordings, which I don't know why that is, but, um, I was really hoping.
Speaker 1:I was really hoping that acupuncture would sort it on the first go. But she said it's going to take four to six sessions and I need to get some homeopathy as well, so hopefully we'll fix it yeah, my aunt.
Speaker 2:My aunt got over hers with with homeopathy as well, so hopefully we'll fix it. Yeah, my aunt got over hers with homeopathy actually. Yeah, but yeah, I just want to say you know, thanks so much, it's been an absolute pleasure and I look forward to speaking to you again very soon.
Speaker 1:God bless you, thank you.
Speaker 2:So that's all from Ahmed and me for this episode. Don't forget to join me next time on the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Remember to give the show a rating and a review and I'll see you next time.
