Radical Health Rebel
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Radical Health Rebel
115 - Demystifying Fats & Oils for Optimal Health with Udo Erasmus
Have you ever wondered why some oils are beneficial while others can wreak havoc on your health? Join us as we sit down with Udo Erasmus, the visionary force behind Udo's Choice Oils, who demystifies the world of fats and oils. At 82, Udo's wisdom on how high temperatures and chemical treatments in oil production create toxic byproducts is invaluable. This episode peels back the layers of health misconceptions, highlighting the critical role of omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids and the importance of using organically grown seeds.
Our conversation doesn't stop at oils. Udo shares his profound life journey, from escaping a war-torn Europe to finding peace and purpose in the Canadian wilderness. His philosophy of life energy as unconditional love offers a refreshing perspective on personal growth and healing. Through meditation and internal awareness, Udo teaches us how to transform our health and life, drawing from his experiences of resilience and renewal. His reflections on the importance of internal stillness and pursuing peace are both moving and inspirational.
Finally, we explore Udo's holistic "total sexy health" approach, which integrates body, mind, and spirit for optimal well-being. This isn't just about dietary choices; it's about aligning your entire lifestyle with health and nature, even in urban settings. Udo's insights into the pitfalls of processed foods and the significance of balancing our diets with high-quality fats are game-changers. Tune in for a compelling discussion that promises to revolutionize your understanding of true health and well-being.
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Journey to Internal Awareness and Health
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So it's not that omega-6s. Omega-6s are essential. You have to have them. Every cell needs them. Omega-6s are not toxic, okay, but damaged omega-6s are toxic, but they never look deep enough. So they got it half right, but they haven't done all their homework. You know they didn't. You know their head didn't explode when they said oh, omega-6 is essential, oh, omega-6 gives you cancer.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck, neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed. And it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show and why we have this show. In this episode, I'm joined by the legendary Udo Erasmus, founder of Udo's Choice Oils and a pioneer in the world of health and wellness. At 82 years of age and sharp as a tack, udo shares his incredible knowledge on the importance of fats and oils in our diet. We dive deep into the difference between good and bad oils, the health benefits of good oils and the damaging effects of bad oils on our bodies and minds. Plus, udo reveals his revolutionary, total, sexy health approach a holistic view that integrates body, mind and spirit for optimal health and vitality. Whether you're a health enthusiast or just starting your health journey, this episode will change the way you think about fats, oils and what it means to live a truly healthy life. Stay tuned and take your health to the next level.
Speaker 2:Udo Erasmus, welcome to the Radical Health Rubber Podcast. Thanks for coming on the show. Well, thanks for having me on. It's great to have you here. It's actually an honor to have you on here. So, yeah, I have to tell you I've been aware of you for about 25 years. I think I first came across Udo's Choice Oil in and I even remember the store. So it was in a store in central London called Fresh and Wild, which rebranded later to become Whole Foods, which I'm sure you're familiar with.
Speaker 2:Of course, and yeah, they used to stock it in there. So that's where I first came across you and your product. So I have known of you for some time now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've been at it for over 40 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so some wisdom to share with my audience.
Speaker 1:Well, let's see, probably maybe a couple of things, yeah. I would hope so.
Speaker 2:So, udo, to kick things off, could you share a little bit about your own story and where it all started for you, and how did you get into producing your famous oils?
Speaker 1:yeah well, the long story is I was born in europe during the second world war. It was in poland. It was part of germany. My parents were from latvia and estonia and they left latvia because uh, hit hitler and st Stalin made a non-aggression pact and as part of it Latvia went to the Soviet Union and part of Poland went to Germany. My parents had German-Swedish background. They left Latvia because they loved the Russian people and they hated communism because it took everything away from everybody, and so they moved to Poland. And he was given a farm in Poland and the Polish farmer whose farm it was became his farmhand. If you can imagine there was a little tension there and he said look, we live in crazy times. Let's run the farm the way the farm needs to be best run, and then, when all this stuff settles out, then we'll sort it out. And they became really good friends.
Speaker 1:I was born on this stolen farm and when the war ended we were refugees fleeing out of Poland, with the communists chasing us in tanks and trucks and the allies, which we like to think of as the good guys, they were shooting at us from planes and we were on dirt roads in horse-drawn hay wagons, mostly mothers with young children all trying to get out of the war zone, and I ended up getting left behind. So I got to be an orphan for a little bit and I don't remember a lot about it. I was only two years old, but other than not feeling safe and not knowing what I could trust, because every day was a different story, and I kind of became a scientist out of that because I was always trying to figure out how things worked, because when you know how things work, that gives you some predictability and some control and some safety, security. And so I broke a lot of things when I was a kid trying to figure out how things worked. So I got punished a lot for that and when it came to studying, I got into.
Speaker 1:Well, before that I was six years old listening to adults argue and I thought what they argued about was really trivial. It's like why would you even argue, why would you even care about something this trivial? And they'd get really intense and that always made me feel really uneasy. And the thought occurred to me one day when I listened to one of these arguments man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And this little cocky voice from a six-year-old who doesn't know how complicated everything is. I'm going gonna find out how. So that's been my driver all my life. You know there must be a better way to live.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm, I'm committed, I'm obsessed with anything that can make quality of life better for people, for creatures really, I, the trees and the animals are part of life too. You know, anything I can do that makes life better on the planet. That's what I'm interested in. Yeah, yeah, and that could be on many levels. That could be on the level of inner experience. It can be on the level of what you eat. It could be on the level of what your surroundings are like and who you hang out with. So there's a lot of different ways to do it.
Speaker 1:But that's my obsession, is because I came from a place in war that's as bad as it gets and it's just. Everything is up from there. So that's my background. That's why I got into science and I got into biosciences and I got into psychology and I got into medicine and I found that we didn't learn about life in biology, even though it's the study of life. We didn't learn about soul in psychology. We didn't learn about health in medicine, and I eventually left, and what I'm most interested in is health, total health based in nature, and human nature and human nature itself. Because what is this? What is a human being and how much is there to it, and how would you know if you never spent time alone with yourself?
Speaker 1:just noticing what is in the space your body occupies, and so I got into that as well. And then I got married and my marriage broke up and I wanted to kill something. So I took a job as a pesticide sprayer and sprayed them very carelessly, walked barefoot over the lawns, I'd sprayed till the skin peeled off my feet and at that point I'd started wearing rubber boots. But it was a summer job and I was vain and obviously pretty fair skinned. I always wanted to have a tan, so I sprayed. I had a tractor with a big tank on the back filled with pesticides and I was in a bathing suit, in rubber boots, and the wind would drift a spray on my back sometimes. And people said aren't you worried? You're going to get poisoned? And my answer was nah, I'm immune. I think some people call that testosterone. Poisoning Happens to young men until they have their first serious life-threatening disaster. And so when I got poisoned by pesticides, I went to the doctor and said what do you have for pesticide poisoning? She said nothing and at that point it was like you know how the penny drops. All of a sudden it's like oh, now I really understand what it means that health is my responsibility because I'm on my own guys. And so I went into the research to try and figure out how to get healthy. And the idea was the body's made out of food. I mean, I wasn't thinking water and air at that point. The body's made out of food. I mean, I wasn't thinking water and air at that point. The body is made out of food. So if something goes wrong with your body, then what you need to do is raise your standard, because 98% of the atoms in your body are removed and replaced every year. That's an estimate. I'm not sure exactly how many it is, and maybe it's only 70%, but the point is because your body is a major construction site always under renovation. If you raise your standard for input for body construction, which is mainly essential nutrients, then within one year you can have rebuilt 98% of your body to a higher standard, and that's what healing is. That's what's called healing. That's why healing is possible. If your body wasn't always turning over, healing would not be possible. So that's nice.
Speaker 1:So then I was looking at everything to do with nutrition and health nutrition and disease In Medline, theline. At that time there were 16 million studies in that database. Now there's, I think, 36 million. And I was looking at everything minerals, vitamins, amino acids, proteins, all of that. And then I got stuck on oils because they were confusing.
Speaker 1:And the way that went is I read a study that said omega-6 is an essential nutrient, and essential means you can't make it in your body, but you have to have it to live and be healthy, so you have to bring it in from outside. That's the first part. The second part is if you don't get enough, you cannot stay healthy. Your health will deteriorate, you will get deficiency symptoms that are degenerative in nature and those will get worse with time. And if you don't get enough of any essential nutrient long enough, you die.
Speaker 1:That's the second part. The third part is if you're going down because you're not getting enough of an essential nutrient, but before you die you bring enough back into the body, then all the problems that come from not getting enough are reversed, because life knows how to make the body provided. We take responsibility here at our mouth to make sure that all of the essential nutrients land in the body in optimum quantities if we want an optimally built body in optimal health. And that definition applies to 18 minerals, 13 vitamins, 9 essential amino acids from proteins and 2 essential fatty acids from fats and, by the way, there are no essential nutrients in sugar, in carbohydrates, there's no essential carbohydrates, so that makes carbohydrates the least important food, because there's nothing in carbohydrates that you cannot get elsewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we can make it ourselves, can't we?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So I read the study. It says omega-6 is an essential nutrient that you have to have by this definition I just gave you. And the very next study I read says omega-6 gives you cancer and kills you. And my head exploded. It was like wait, I have to have it so it can kill me. You know, there's something I'm missing, there must be something missing. And, yeah, my OCD genes all turned on 100%, full blast and said there must be something I'm missing, there must be something else going on. And that drove me to look deeper into how oils are made. And then I found out that they're made with harsh chemicals and then they're bleached to get the color molecules out, because light, oxygen and heat damage oils and they're our most sensitive nutrients and they need the most care and we give them the least care. We damage them in the processing and then we throw them in the frying pan.
Speaker 1:So we're doing a huge amount of damage. When you turn oil into smoke, you know you've damaged it. When you turn oil into smoke, you know you've damaged it. There's research that shows that cooks who spend eight hours a day in front of a frying pan have four times more lung cancer than normal people who at home maybe spent two hours in front of the frying pan. Four times more cancer Because the fume hoods are not sucking it up the smoke completely. They're always breathing in the damaged oils and those damaged oils then damage their lung.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and because these are molecules that are, they're damaged. That means they never existed in nature, so nature never made a program to metabolize them, so they don't break down so easily. So wherever they go in the body they interfere with something, because whatever is supposed to going on in the space they occupy, they can't do the job, so they interfere with what should be going on in that space. And all disease physical disease begins at the level of interactions between molecules. So if the right molecules are there, you get the right interactions.
Speaker 1:All of those molecules are from nature, because we came out of nature and we are sustained in nature and by nature. And if they're molecules that never existed in nature, there's a pretty good chance that they're going to cause some problems. That's why pharmaceutical drugs have side effects. They're not side effects, they're toxic effects, because these are molecules that don't belong in the body and they interfere with something. That's why you get the side effects, and they can be used to inhibit something. That is a problem, but then they create other problems on top of what they're doing.
Speaker 1:But then they create other problems on top of what they're doing. And so I got into anyway so I'm going what the hell is going on? I found out that when oils are made they're about half to 1% damaged by the processing Sodium hydroxide, phosphoric acid, bleaching clays and then they heat them to a frying temperature to deodorize them, to get rid of the rancid molecules. So I called the Oil Chemist Society in Champaign, illinois, and I said I want to talk to one of your researchers. And when he got on the line I said to him you know, and I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking like a guy who got poisoned by pesticides, who's sick, who wants to get healthy. He says when you know this does damage to the oils, why do you do it that way? And he said well, one of the reasons we do that is because when we deodorize the oil that's, at frying temperature for 30 minutes we can get rid of half of the pesticides in the oil. We can get rid of half of the pesticides in the oil.
Speaker 1:In my head I'm going wait, the other half stays in. I've been poisoned by pesticides. This is not good news for me, right? So that's what I got in my head. But I didn't say that. So I said to him well, why don't you start with organically grown seeds? Then you don't have a pesticide problem to deal with? And he was silent. I don't know how long it might have been three seconds but it seemed like two hours Total silence, dead silence. And then when he came back he was really angry. I don't know what your problem is. The oil is only 1% damaged and it's 99% good. And if you got 99% on an exam you'd be damn happy, wouldn't you? So now I say, well, maybe I'm overreacting, it's only 1%. But then I decided to do the math and so the math I did, I said, okay, if I have a tablespoon I'm talking US tablespoons, 15 milliliters, 14 grams If I have a tablespoon of oil that is 1% damaged by the processing, how many damaged molecules will be in that tablespoon of oil?
Speaker 2:So I want to ask you that question because hopefully you don't have the background to figure it out and you'll see why I'm asking the question well, my, my first thought, when, uh, you said that this guy said it was one percent, yeah, my first thought was how does he know that it's one percent?
Speaker 1:oh well, they obviously have done tests to show and there's. There are all kinds of different molecules, like fragmented molecules, double bond shifted molecules, cyclized molecules, trans fatty acids, molecules cross-linked within triglycerides, molecules cross-linked across triglycerides, dimerized, trimerized, polymerized, and then there's a whole bunch of other molecules that come from the chemicals they use. So there's a whole lot of different molecules and if you want to do like a fancy chromatography thing, you can figure out how many of each kind of molecule is found in the oil. So they knew half to one and I got it out of their journal it was a journal called Lipids, way back when in the early 80s, and so I decided to do the math. Want to? I want you to guess how many damaged molecules are in a tablespoon of an oil.
Speaker 2:That is one percent damaged wow, that's a good question, because like a number my first thought is I've got absolutely no idea yes, of course, and nobody does everybody uses oils, but and nobody does, that's why I'm asking the question. I would imagine it's not a small number okay, so give me a number. I'm going to say 4,000.
Speaker 1:4,000? Okay, so there's three zeros on 4,000, right? Yeah, you want to know the actual number.
Speaker 2:Go on, it's much bigger, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It's a six followed by 19 zeros. Wow, it's 60 quintillion damaged molecules. Wow. So your estimate is more than more than a quadrillion times too low.
Speaker 1:Now the reason why I ask the question is because everybody uses oils that have been damaged by processing, and the damage they're doing to themselves with these damaged molecules is, in your case, a quadrillion times worse than you think it is. And when I ask the question, I have never, ever and I've asked this question in hundreds of talks, I've given thousands of talks. I asked the question. I have never got somebody to give me a number that was less than a billion times too low. So that means we are doing something to ourselves that was less than a billion times too low. So that means we are doing something to ourselves that is a billion times worse than we think it is.
Speaker 1:And the truth is that more health problems come from damaged oils than any other part of nutrition, more than sugar, and more health benefits would accrue from making oils with health in mind and giving our body the oil change that it needs from damaged oils to oils actually made with health in mind. And so then I say, okay, well, you're going to fly home for the holidays. You're at the airport, you got your boarding pass, You're about to get on the plane and somebody taps you on your shoulder and this is somebody that you know only ever tells the truth. He says to you your chance of crashing and dying on your flight home is a billion times or a quadrillion times higher than you thought it was. Would you get on the airplane?
Speaker 2:Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I was in Ireland, I said I would canoe back to Canada, you know, because and so then is it is recognizing that you're doing something to yourself that is a billion times worse than you think it is. Does that give you thought to? Maybe you need to make a change here and maybe you need to stop frying these oils, because you then, if you fry the oil, you triple, quadruple, maybe six-tuple times the damage that you already got in the oil you started with. And frying is the dumbest thing we've ever invented to do to our food. If health is our goal, the single dumbest thing we've ever invented to do to our food, if health is our goal, the single dumbest thing we've ever done.
Speaker 1:And the more the oils have omega-6 and omega-3, which are essential and can't be made in the body the more of those they have in the oil, the more damage is done when we fry them and the more damage is done to them by processing. And omega-3 is five times more sensitive than omega-6. So the more omega-3 there is in an oil when it's made by industry, the more damage it's going to be so maybe you even get up to 1.5% and the more damage you're going to do to them when you fry them. So when all of this came out, then I found out the year after I got poisoned, which 1980 was when I got poisoned. The year after that it was established that omega-3 is an essential nutrient 1981. And 99% of the population doesn't get enough for optimum health. They're a nightmare to work with. Population doesn't get enough for optimum health. They're a nightmare to work with. There are far fewer sources of omega-3 oils than omega-6 oil.
Speaker 1:We have increased our omega-6 intake at least doubled, maybe quadrupled, maybe 10 times, maybe even 20 times our intake of omega-6 in the past 150 years, and we have decreased our omega-3s to one-sixth of what people got in 1850. So 99% of the population doesn't get enough omega-3 for optimum health. And so we got two problems the omega-3s are too low and the omega-6s are damaged. If we could fix those problems, oh my God, we could help almost everybody be healthier. And I went ballistic. It's like, oh my God, I just found a purpose. Oh my God, we could help so many people. 99% of the population doesn't get enough omega-3s. Now all we have to do is figure out a way to make oils with health in mind, and all that takes is you have to have a very tight system where no oxygen, no light and low temperature gets to the oil while it's be from the time. It's in the seed, where it's well packaged, well packaged. They found flax seeds in caves in Switzerland that were 5,000 years old and they planted them and they still grew into flax plants. Wow, that's how good nature's packaging can be no-transcript. And it's in the fridge in the factory, then in the fridge in the stores, then in the fridge in the home, never used for frying, added to foods after they come off the heat source. You can put them in hot pasta sauce and on steamed veggies, but never, ever use them for cooking. So if we could do that, oh my God, we could help everybody.
Speaker 1:And I got so inspired. I had no business background. I had really good background in biochemistry and genetics and biological sciences. I had a year of medicine. I left because they only teach about disease and I wanted to know what health is, and so I had that background, and then we figured it out, and so I had that background. And then we figured it out, and then we started with flax oil, which has the most omega-3, but it doesn't have enough omega-6, and I became omega-6 deficient in flax oil.
Speaker 1:And then we developed a blend the one that you were talking about because we wanted to make the ratio between omega-3 and omega-6 has to be right, because if you get too much of one it'll crowd out the other, and if you get too much of the other it'll crowd out the one, because they compete for enzyme space. When people say the body can't convert flax oil into fish oil you hear it a lot, I've heard it a lot. It's not true. The problem is we have a lot of omega-6 and very little omega-3. We don't have enough starting material for the omega-3s to be able to compete for conversion enzyme, and so that's why the ratio has to be right and then both need to be made with health in mind to be protected from damage done by light, by oxygen, by heat, and that's what we created, and it's been a labor of love.
Speaker 1:It feels really good in the heart when you help people. It feels really not so good when you hurt people. And helping people. That's what I live for, because I like to feel good in the heart. It's a very selfish thing I do.
Speaker 2:Anyway, so that's the long story. Long story, yeah, that's a great story, um. So I'm obviously going to come back to the health aspect, but I'm quite interested in your story as well. So, yeah, you say you was briefly orphaned at age two yeah so I'm uh by again. I'm not bad at maths. I'm guessing you were born in 1943? 42. 42. Okay, same as my dad, actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm 82.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so did you find your parents again.
Speaker 1:Yes, my mother's sister found out what happened because my mother had six kids with her. They were six years and younger, and she decided to leave the road because it was safer to go through the snow-covered fields because it was in winter than it was to stay on the road. But she couldn't take six kids with her, so she had to leave four behind Wow, had to leave four behind and left me with a farmer that she hadn't met before and he was going to take us back to some relatives in Berlin and they had already fled. So I got put in an orphanage and my sister found out about it. She came and found us and reunited us with the family.
Speaker 1:But the thing that you know, I look at it now and I say what a gift that was, you know, to be born in a war and to go through this crazy experience. I don't wish it on anybody, but it was a gift, because we got stripped of everything the culture, the country, the farm, the animals, the house, the friends, the language. You know everything. The only thing we took with us was the clothes we wore, the body we were in and the life in that body, and so I got all my culture stripped and I never felt like culture was that good, because there's a lot in culture that keeps you locked into ways of behaving that are not conducive to quality of life, and so I really had to start from scratch and and so I, I and I and that happened early, so I wasn't like 30 years old and then try to plow myself through all of the, all of the cultural beliefs that we kind of inherit just by where we grow up. So I grew up without that culture and I had to start everything from scratch. And so I've always been kept to basics and asking really basic questions, basic questions, um, and and so, and, and, and. Then literally just wanted to my. My job in life is to become a human being, but fully human.
Speaker 1:You know all of that, what that entails, because it isn't just the body and it isn't just my ideas, but there's also a life energy that is unconditional love. We are in our nature that energy, and we are in our nature unconditional empowering love. And when we feel that because we spend time with ourselves, then it's kind of we. You look around, you say well, okay, well, it's not about me anymore because I'm, I'm good, I'm taken care of, I, I feel cared for. So what to do? Well, where can I help? What needs to be done? How can I make the biggest splash for good that is possible in the time I have?
Speaker 1:And then beyond, life energy is an awareness, or a bliss, or a witness, or you know, or a witness, or you know it's got lots of names completely formless but also completely indestructible. And life and awareness and the inspiration that is the shine of life into the world, those three can never get sick and never die. And when you're in touch with those and you have a problem, then you don't say I'm sick, you say my body is sick, because life energy, which is a fraction of solar energy we can derive that, if you want, is actually perfect. Health Can never get sick, never dies.
Speaker 1:And energy of course, is also the healing force. So if, if something in you is unconditionally loving and healthy and is your in your individual essence, what would happen to your body if you lived in touch with that? Well, it would be very healing for your body Because you wouldn't be interfering with ideas you have, you wouldn't be using ideas to interfere with the flow of that energy through your body, unconditionally loving your body and building and rebuilding and repairing and renewing constantly. So we have emotions and thoughts that go with those emotions that interfere with the flow of energy, and there's a lot of you know nobody in medicine that's not addressed. But there's an emotional factor or a mental factor in most of our diseases.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. So when did you move away from Europe?
Speaker 1:1952, I was 10 years old. Okay.
Speaker 2:So did you go to Canada or to the US Canada?
Speaker 1:Right, okay, and the way that happened is my father, because he was from Latvia. He spoke Russian and Latvian and German and also a little bit of English and French. So he was an interpreter during the Second World War and he was from Russia and he was riding with Cossacks and they were on the German side and he ended up in a prisoner of war camp from Normandy in Alabama. And on the way to Alabama to the prisoner of war camp they went through Quebec and Quebec looked a lot to him, like Latvia. He said, if I survive this war, I'm going to Canada. And so he then got back, came back in 1946. And then it took us six years to get the documentation, the paperwork, the bureaucracy done so we could get the hell out of of europe. Because he didn't like germany and he didn't like like europe. He had, you know they went. You know they went. They lived through a crazy time. They went through the first world war, which was followed by the bolshevik revolution, which was followed by the depression, which was followed by the second world war. That was their life in europe, yeah, and they had it up to here and my father couldn't get the hell out of there fast enough.
Speaker 1:And then when he came to Canada, he went up north, 500 miles north of Vancouver, bought 112 acres for $960. Wow, we built our house. We had no electricity, no running water, we had an outhouse that we used to frequent on daily occasions, at 40 below, so it was very rustic and we cleared 40 acres of that by hand and by horse, no chainsaws, no tractor, all by hand, you know saws and axes. And so we, we grew up in a physically very demanding environment with a physically very demanding father, right, who was, and he couldn't.
Speaker 1:You know, he loved being by himself because he basically said he'd read the newspaper and he'd stand up and say the world stinks, but he'd read the whole newspaper to come to that conclusion. And then he just says I just want to be left alone and if it doesn't rain in my bed I'm happy. So he was so burned out on Europe in the time that they lived there in Latvia, then in Poland, then in Germany, and you know they just had it up to here. It was so much. I mean, you know, of course now the world is going in the same direction again, because we haven't learned anything. Yeah, because if people had practiced peace after the First World War, there wouldn't have been a Second World War. And if they'd practiced peace after the Second World War, we wouldn't be heading for global war now. That's how stupid we are.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because I kind of feel like my parents were born during World War II and there's probably a good chance they probably died during World War III, yeah, yeah, well, I mean, who knows?
Speaker 1:I mean, the point is it doesn't have to happen, because peace is the universal essence, the universal essence of the entire universe but also of our existence. That cannot be un-peace, even with whatever else is going on in the world of change. You know, in the outside world, in nature or with people, or in our mind, in our emotions, in our body, something inside of that is completely calm, completely calm, cannot be shaken. But our focus needs to go there to experience it. And our focus at birth goes out into the world and, generally speaking, for most people stays there until they die. But if you're wise, you take time every day for stillness, you bring your focus into the core of your being, experience that peace, you experience feeling cared for, you experience being energetic and inspired and then you live that into the world. And that doesn't create war, but but fighting with change and you know, trying to make change, not change. You know well that gets you, that gets you into all kinds of trouble. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what happened next? So you're on your farm in Canada growing up. What happened? Did you go to university?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I went to university when I was 16, I started university. My parents believed in education, education, so they highly recommended we do that. And of course I was also interested. Like I was in nature, living in nature, and even when we were after the war, when I was a kid in Germany, you know, I'd be on the meadow and I'd watch little spiders go up. I remember a little red spider that went up and down blades of grass and I was just, like you know, like on the floor on all fours on the grass watching this spider and I was always looking at nature.
Speaker 1:I just found it unbelievably fascinating. I think if you're alive, you know you got to find life fascinating because there's everything going on the leaves fall off, the trees and fall In spring, you get blossoms and it's just like a celebration. And so I wanted to know everything I could about life. So first I went into science because I wanted to know how things work. Then I went into biosciences to figure out how creatures work, then I went into psychology to figure out how thinking works, then into medicine, how health works, and then eventually I left university and just did some traveling, worked with psychedelics for a short time.
Speaker 1:That sort of broke open my very what can you say? My very shy and inhibited war baby personality. It kind of showed me that, oh my God, there's a thousand ways to live. And then I got into all the philosophical and the spiritual stuff. You know what did the master say? And I looked at Buddha and I looked at Krishna and I looked at Jesus and I looked at Socrates, and you know, so I got, because it was all about what's the human being, what's the meaning of life, why are we here? You know, how can we live? How can we live better than being war babies, you know, and and uh, so I'd be. I have a, I have a very wide background in that and I found everything interesting I have a should see my bookshelves.
Speaker 1:I've got I probably read I don't know 5 000 books.
Speaker 1:That's quite yeah for sure, and on all kinds of topics science and philosophy, and, like everything, sociology I did a little bit of sociology and a little bit of religious studies, and then my questions was always not like, what did they think? Because thinking wasn't really working that well, because people thought and said and did so many stupid things. But my question was so you know, if jesus was really the cool cat that they say he was, so I want to know what he felt that made him like that, because you could say his life was poetry, but then, in order to do poetry, you're going to be feeling something. I want to feel what he felt. I want to feel what buddha felt. Yeah, I want to. I want to feel what krishna felt, where that wisdom came from, because when you read that wisdom, it's something that's very simple but it's really profound, and, and so you know what I want to embody, that that makes sense to me. I want to live the way the people lived who lived the best lives, and so that's you know, and I'm always on that and I do.
Speaker 1:Stillness, practice, and in stillness, is probably where the most quality comes from, and if 8 billion people took an hour every day to sit quietly and become as still as they can be and to discover what is in them, in the space their body occupies. In that stillness they would find their peace. They would find their love. They would find their wisdom. They would find their answers. They would find their mission. They would find their purpose. They would find their inspiration. They would find their answers. They would find their mission. They would find their purpose. They would find their inspiration. They would find contentment. They would find calmness. They would find, I think, admiration or adoration, or you know, oh my God, this is incredible. Dust and water and a little bit of air. You know it's incredible Dust and water and a little bit of air. You know A handful of dust, three buckets of water and a bunch of air. Get put together in this and get to have the human experience. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:That is amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know you look for a miracle. Yeah, what is this, hello Right? So anyway, yeah, miracle. Yeah, what is this hello right? So anyway, yeah, I uh, we could, we could spend. We could probably spend three segments just talking about all of that stuff yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:But I can certainly see why you know, looking at your background, why you was able to do what you did, you know with the oils and everything, because you had so many different backgrounds that you could dip into. Yeah, because I know you also. I believe you invented the machinery as well, that you needed to produce the oils as well. Is that right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we developed that. I developed it theoretically, knowing that the issues were light, oxygen and heat. And then how do you create a system that protects the oil through the whole thing, which I already talked about? And then we had engineers build it for us and they had to make custom parts for the machinery because they didn't exist, because the oil industry never thought that way.
Speaker 1:They were more interested in shelf life than they were in health, and so it's kind of like the goal defines your journey. If you're going to the right, then that's a different journey than if you're going to the left, depending on what your goal is. If shelf life is your goal, your practice of making oils is going to be different than if your goal is human health. Yeah, and so our goal was very clear this, this we want this oil to be completely undamaged and to support human health and to support it in, in, in, in a way where the they're balanced and both are made with health in mind and both are organic, you know, so that both can use the same enzymes to get turned into hormone-like derivatives in the body that regulate everything that goes on in your cells on a daily basis, on a moment-to-moment basis yeah, yeah so I mean it's, it's quite a big thing these days, oils.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so let me talk about this because there's now since every year pretty much since I've been doing the work on oils, there has been somebody who's written a book who says omega-6s are bad and seed oils are bad and you shouldn't use them and they're toxic and all kinds of problems come from doing that. Not one of those people? There'd be probably 20 books by now, maybe more. Right now there's about three or four going around and everybody's quoting these people saying omega-6s are bad and seed oils are bad and you shouldn't use them and are toxic, and every problem under the sun is the cause by seed oils and omega-6s. And none of the people who've written those books over the past 40 years has ever talked to me.
Speaker 1:Interesting, and I'm not hiding, I'm out there. I'm out there with oils. They had one on flax oil the other day. It was completely cooked up. It was completely cooked up. So what I say is and here's what what the problem is, I think, to understand the issue these oils are damaged by one percent by industry and those oils are used in the research, so that 1% damage shows up in the research results. And so some of the research says that when you use cooking oils, omega-6s. These are mostly omega-6 oils because pretty much all cooking oils have omega-6s in them and have more omega-6s than omega-9s or omega-3s or saturated fats, and so they see some results. The results say there's some problems with these oils and then they blame it on the oil, when they should be blaming it on the damage done by processing. So it's not that omega-6s.
Speaker 1:Omega-6s are essential. You have to have them. Every cell needs them. Omega-6s are not toxic, okay, but damaged omega-6s are toxic, but they never look deep enough. So they got it half right, but they haven't done all their homework. You know they didn't. You know their head didn't explode when they said, oh, omega-6 is essential, oh, omega-6 gives you cancer. You know they didn't they. You know I don't know why they didn't. I don't know why their head didn't explode and why they didn't say, hey, we need to look deeper. How can it be essential and then kill me? And they didn't do that homework. I looked deeper.
Speaker 1:I looked into how the oils are processed and then found out that it's the processing and the damage done by the way we use them in cooking that we should be blaming for the problems and we should be making the oils with health in mind and we should be using them in a healthy way. That would be the total story. And we should balance them properly with omega-3s, because both are essential and both compete in the body in some ways. Yeah, basically, every time you read omega-6s are toxic and seed oils are toxic, you should be saying these guys haven't done the homework they need to do because they're blaming. It's kind of like there's a lot of police at a crime scene, so then you say, oh well, there's a lot of police at the crime scene, so the police must have done the crime Right, and so, in a way, that's what they're doing with oils and they're not blaming and they're not even talking.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, it has never. This question about how many damaged oils are there in a tablespoon of oil that's 1% damaged that question how much damage is done to the oils by the processing that question has never, ever been. It may have never, ever made the news, never. I got really close once in edmonton in canada and we did an interview talking about what you and I were talking about with OLC. Loved the interview, the guys who did the interview, and they said we're going to play it on the news tonight and I had the evening off. So I said, okay, I'm going to watch myself on the news, because I never see myself. And you know, maybe I twitch or maybe, who knows, maybe I have gestures that are a little weird, or maybe I'm drooling, or whatever.
Speaker 1:And if I see it, maybe I could work on my presentation. So I watched the news. They didn't play it but they played an ad for one of those damaged oils and so I know what happened. They loved the interview because it was a good interview, it was energetic and it was like interesting and it was news, went to the editor. Editor took it to the senior editor. Senior editor says we can't run this because they pay us yeah to to uh advertise their damaged products.
Speaker 1:so we're not. We're not playing this interview, so never got played. And a woman who was an anchor person in TV in New York said this story about how many damaged molecules are in a 1% oil is the most newsworthy thing that you have on oils. It's the most newsworthy thing on oils and it has never made the news and there's definitely suppression, but maybe it's not based on. Oh, you know, let's not talk about what Udo's doing. It's not like that. It's not personal, it's just we are not going to diss the people who make us the money that we make. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know whether Pfizer is the sponsor or whether it's Wesson Oils or whatever it is. You know they don't diss their sponsors or whatever it is. You know they don't diss their sponsors. And there's a bias built into media. Yeah, because they're making money on products that probably should be exposed yeah, yeah sure so.
Speaker 2:So, with regards, with regards to the damaged oils, because again, they're in a lot of foods, particularly any any kind of, you know, junk food, processed foods, packaged foods, almost all of them contain these damaged oils. What would you say, in your view, is the kind of typical damage that they cause in the body?
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, well, inflammation would be the first one. And there's it's well known that when you fry oils, but also when you fry carbs and when you fry proteins, you increase inflammation and you increase the risk of cancer, and inflammation is behind probably the majority of our degenerative diseases. So and it goes, I mean anyway, cancer in any part of the body. When you get inflammation, you get pain, you know. And the pain and the inflammation, by the way, is not caused by these damaged molecules. The inflammation is caused by your immune system, because your immune system is trying to isolate the tissue where the problem is and then take it down. That's why inflammation, water retention and swelling, and then, when that's done, then the inflammation goes down because the immune system settles down.
Speaker 1:And inflammation and pain. I think of pain as a gift, yeah, because pain gets your attention. And pain happens when something needs to change. You know whether it's like you fall off your bike and you bang your knee on a rock, which I did one time, right. Well, the pain in my knee says don't do that again, right? Or be careful, be more careful, drive your bicycle with less abandon, right, so that this doesn't happen. When you have pain in your joint, maybe it's because you injured your joint by using it in a way that it ought not to be used. Happens in sports a lot, because sports is pretty intense. Sports can be pretty violent. Even if they're not violent between the players, they can be violent within the players. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, and so then you get pain. Yeah, Right, and so then you get pain. Well, omega-3s, by the way, have turned into very powerful anti-inflammatory molecules. We've had football players like American football players, that has like shoulder injury, chronic pain all the time. Take the oil, take omega-3s. Pain all the time, take the oil, take omega-3s pain goes away, go off the oil, pain comes back Right.
Speaker 1:And one of them actually wrote me a letter and said do you have drugs in your oil? What drug do you put in your oil? I said no. Why do you ask? Because when I take it, my pain goes away. When I don't take it, my pain comes back, and I wondered what kind of a drug you were using that is a painkiller.
Speaker 1:Well, omega-3s work with inflammation. They also help heal injuries in a third to half the time. They also increase oxygen metabolism and are good for recovery. So anything that needs more energy, omega-3s are a good bet, but you got to have them in balance with omega-6. Yeah, so you can't just high-grade omega-3s, you got to have them both. Yeah, and most people get too much omega-6, partially damaged and not enough omega-3. So two changes need to be made Most people get too much omega-6, partially damaged and not enough omega-3. So two changes need to be made you need to dump the omega-6s that are damaged and replace them with omega-6s made with health in mind, and you need to bring in the missing omega-3s, and you need to make sure that the ratio between them allows both to do their important jobs in yourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's great, and can you share with us your total sexy health concept?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, okay. So one of the things you know, I started with oils and that's pretty much other than there still should be a bottle in every fridge and we're a long ways from there, from getting there. It's pretty much done. We know how to do it. We know how to make them with health in mind. It works. We've done a couple of studies and we've got lots of feedback from people who use it and then when they don't use it, then their benefits go down and when they use it again, the benefits come back. Their benefits go down and when they use it again, the benefits come back.
Speaker 1:So that the second one was well, what else? What is? What is the most neglected next to oils? And I said it's got to be digestion, because people always got something going on. Either you're burping or you're passing gas, or you got bloating and you got pain in your gut, or your digestion isn't working, or you're constipated, or you get diarrhea. I mean, there's always something going on, because there's a huge amount of foreign material that gets dumped through your digestive tract that has to be dealt with. It all happens outside the body because the inside of your digestive tract is outside your body, so you throw all this stuff through there and then it's got to be broken down and then you absorb what is important in the body and then the rest passes on through. So digestion enzymes, probiotics, fiber and herbs are the four things that seem to pretty much deal with most digestion problems. And how does that go?
Speaker 1:For every creature that eats is fresh, whole, raw, organic, local. Probably for humans, more plant-based than animal-based. That wasn't true everywhere, but mostly when the hunters had rocks to hunt with, they came home empty-handed most of the time. So then they ate vegetables because they don't run away and they don't fight back and they're easy to hunt down. They came home empty handed most of the time, so then they ate vegetables because they don't run away and they don't fight back and they're easy to hunt down and kill. So probably mostly plant-based. There were places where there were lots of animals, so there were also high animal protein diets, but they weren't animals in feedlots standing in their urine and their feces and being fed corn. These are animals that ran around in the wild, that ate grass, that ate herbs, that ate other things, and that shows up in the meat.
Speaker 1:So we've done two things. One is we feed them wrong. And then the other thing is we cook them In raw foods. There are enzymes that do about 60% of the digestion of the food for you if you chew it up properly, and those get destroyed when you cook the food. So if you cook your food, you should be taking digestive enzymes to replace the enzymes you destroyed by cooking.
Speaker 1:Same thing for probiotics. Probiotics are on raw foods. When a cow eats grass, there's probiotics on the grass. That's where a cow gets its probiotics from. That's why cows don't need to take probiotic supplements. Right, you cook the food, you kill those. Right, you cook the food, you kill those. You should replace them. That's why we do probiotic supplements Super important.
Speaker 1:And then fiber comes from plants, and fiber is good, for it slows down glucose absorption, which is good when you eat too much white sugar and white flour. So it slows that down. It's good for bowel regularity. It's the favorite food of the probiotics. It keeps you from getting constipated, even can keep you from getting diarrhea as well. So that's number three.
Speaker 1:And then herbs. Among them are bitters. They help with digestion and liver function, and there's a ton of those. And so we did that. And then the next thing was well, what else, where else can we make a difference? So I got into greens. Why greens? Well, because everybody says you should eat your salads and hardly anybody does. So we made greens that are portable, dried greens that are portable, that people can take when they're traveling, when they have the excuse oh well, I was traveling, so I couldn't do that. So we made greens and I didn't do mineral and vitamin supplements, because lots of people are doing them. So I was more interested in doing what wasn't being done than to just be a one-off. And then I was sitting one day and saying what else affects health? And by this time I had given lots of talks and I'd get lots of feedback and we'd had lots of discussions about all kinds of topics. And the answer came back was well, actually everything affects health. And it's like okay, well, if you want it. So then if you want to be totally healthy you know you could call it total, global, sacred, sexy health, right? If you want to be totally healthy and full on and really energized and noticeable and just having the best possible time in your life, you have to give everything its due. So what are those things? I've hinted at them, but there's eight of them In the core of your being is awareness, and I'm doing like a bullseye, working it from the inside out.
Speaker 1:So the most innermost part is I call it internal awareness. So how do you do that? Well, you sit down and you close your eyes and you see how still you can become and see how deep you can go into that stillness and see how long you can go into that stillness and see how long you can stay there and maybe you could breathe lightly and evenly and slowly. And as you're doing that, what shows up? What do you experience? What do you see? What do you hear? What do you experience? What do you see? What do you hear? What do you feel? Even what do you taste? And you do that, and the more you do that, the easier it becomes, because it's hard to do when you're not used to it, because we're used to going out with our awareness, we're not used to going in with our focus.
Speaker 1:But when we were in our mother's womb, there was no place to go and nothing to do and everything taken care of, and you had no language and you had no ideas and you didn't have a nationality or religion. You were just a little biological creature floating in what I call the Buddha tank, and in that time your focus had no place to go, so it was at rest inside, in life and in awareness, in the core of your being. And so you were like a yogi nine months of meditation, uninterrupted meditation, pretty much, and it was the most boring possible thing that could have been happening. And you weren't bored, you were in bliss, you were in peace, you were in love, the body was being built, no interference, no mental stuff. You didn't even have to pee and you didn't even have to breathe. So you spent nine months in there.
Speaker 1:Then you came out. You had to get to know the world. You got kicked out and then your focus went out into the world, because you had to get to know it for survival. And so what happened is you went from present inside, absent outside. At one point you didn't know there was a womb around you and you didn't know there was a woman around the womb, and you didn't know that there was a world around you and you didn't know there was a woman around the womb and you didn't know that there was a world around the mother. Right, you didn't know any of it, but you were okay, right. So now you've.
Speaker 1:You went from being present inside, absent outside. Now you get more and more present outside, absent inside, and, as focus, disconnected from your core and got connected to the surfaces of things in the world. That's where heartache began, and the pain of heartache is the greatest gift life gave you, because it's your call to come home to yourself. And when you come home to yourself in peace, there is no pain. In peace, there is no problem, there is no health problem. Peace cannot get sick. Peace is unchangeable, it's foundational. It's the container within which the entire universe unfolds, including the universe. That is you right, and in that. So that's, that's number one.
Speaker 1:And then in that place there's the fire of life, which is actually a solar energy fraction, because, if you think about it, the power source of the planet, of all of life, of almost all of life, is solar energy, filtered through 93 million miles, then filtered through the atmosphere, then filtered through plants, and the fraction that remains activates electrons, which then bond atoms together to make molecules. That's where that solar energy fraction is stored. You eat those molecules as food In your cells. Those bonds get broken, that solar energy fraction is released, and now we call it life, life energy, right. So you are a solar energy gadget and if somebody says you are my sunshine, that person's right about the sunshine, but not about the mind, because you don't belong your. So your solar energy doesn't belong to anybody else and that is your internal.
Speaker 1:Your individual essence is that solar energy fraction perfect health, formless, can't get sick, never dies, runs, runs everything, weighs nothing and is the master that is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient in your body. And the masters when you talk about Buddha and all those guys, the masters were people who took time alone to connect and then they spoke from that connection to that connection in people and helped people who were interested in having that quality of experience because it's an attractive experience help them to become proficient at finding their stillness and that peace and that love in that stillness. And, by the way, the nature of that solar energy fraction is unconditional, empowering love for your body. You are not the body, you are actually that energy. That's why, if I said to you whose body is that, you probably would say, oh, that's my body. Well, my body means you are the owner, the body is your property, the body is your project. You're the owner. And who is the owner of your body? Well, life owns the body and runs everything, like I said right. So that's that.
Speaker 1:And then the third one is the shine of that unconditional love that is life into the world. I call that inspired purpose and that's basically when you feel that love, you just want to help. That's what inspired purpose is Helping do something constructive, not destructive, constructive to life, to quality of life, not destructive. Okay, so those are the inner three. Then there's the body food and fitness, and digestion and rest and activity, um, and food, water, air and air. That's what most people talk about when they talk about health, but that's actually already way off the center of health.
Speaker 1:And then the fifth is protective mind. That's about survival smarts, that's about preempting. What kind of problems can happen where you live, whether that's crime in the city or it's the volcano erupts, if your house is on the bottom of Mount Vesuvius, right, or if you're living by the ocean, tidal waves or storms, so you know the weather could be hail, could be cold. So, preempting, supporting, surviving, protection. And it's food, air, water, shelter, clothing, warm and cold, and also reproduction, raising kids, parenting, education mostly is done for survival skills. And then outside of that is the social group. You know there are some people who, if you hang out with them, will make you sick. And there are some people, if you hang out with them, will make you sick, and there are some people, if you hang out with them, will encourage you to greater quality of life.
Speaker 1:Pick the latter, avoid the former Not that complicated, but to recognize and you don't have to keep relationships that are destructive to you. You know you can. Somebody called it. You can bless them out of your life, right. And then the next one is natural environment. Well, the natural environment is you know, what we put into the environment comes back to us. What we put into the environment comes back to us. A guy in the 60s carved it into a log a very short version of it, it's a little crude but I think it's very instructive. So it said shit in your nest, nest in your shit. That covers every environmental issue, right.
Speaker 1:Whatever damage we do, whether it's pesticides or industrial chemicals, or we do clear cutting, or in the UK that used to be a tree country and I think all the trees got turned into boats and things, right. So we used to have 10 trillion trees on the planet, uh, 10 000 years ago. We now have two and a half trillion, so we've hacked down 75 of the trees on the planet. They actually moderate weather and climate. They make winters warmer. They keep winters warmer. They keep summers cooler. You know that, because if it's really hot, where do you go? Under a tree? In the shade? It's like 20 degrees cooler. So you know it works. But you people have all kinds of other crazy ideas, money-making ideas for how to fix the climate.
Speaker 1:Basically, mostly we need to do less. When we had the lockdowns, the, the air got clean over china, the, the dolphins went back into the canals in venice because the water got clean, because there weren't boats. You know dumping oil on the water and you know where I live, by next to a bay, you could see all all the way down into the bottom of the bay. The plants became greener, the flowers became brighter, you know. So fundamentally, mostly we need to do less other than we need to plant trees or plant plants. We need to manage water better because we, you know we get too much in some places and too little in other places. We could manage that to balance it out.
Speaker 1:And then the third one is we need to replenish our soils. Instead of cooking our food and then dumping our feces in the ocean, we should eat our foods raw, cook our feces and put them back on land, because that's the topsoil and we're taking it off the plant. You know 26 minerals come off the plant, come off the soil into a plant and then we dump that in the ocean and we only put six minerals back. So there are people who say we've only got 60 years of food growing oil unless we do something about it. So that's the number seven.
Speaker 1:And then number eight is infinite awareness, and that's kind of coming to terms with the fact that here I am, a terminal condition called the human body in an infinite universe. And to be able to be okay with that and not freaked out about it and not, oh my God, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die no, not like that, but to be able to be okay with the fact that one day your body will finish and that you live in the presence of something that is more you than your body is, that is indestructible and unchangeable and lives forever. And that's all you know. And I'm not talking about spiritual hopes, I'm talking about you can experience that, but you need to do stillness, practice to to come into the experience of that. Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 1:And the idea of the model was total sexy. Health was. Sexy is a power word, life should be the power word, but sexy is the power word, and so sexy is what is that? Full, full-on, active, vital, noticeable, present, right, and we apply that to architecture and to technology. So sexy is not just about the sex act, it's a power word for something. The idea is that if you want to be your fullest self, your sexiest self, then you have to live your life in line with all eight of those and give each one of those eight its due, because each one of those eight has a different nature, a different function, needs a different kind of attention on a regular basis, goes off in a different way in response to a different kind of intervention, and so if you get out of line in any one of those eight parts, then the part that it confers to your sexy goes away, but when you get back in line, you get it back. So that's what the model is.
Speaker 1:I think the model is good. That's what the model is. I think the model is good. I think calling it sexy, I think maybe it trivialized the topic. So it's a long story how that happened. Actually, the guy who was editing my book said don't call it total health, that's boring. Call it total sexy health. And I said well, no, I can't do that, I don't know anything about sexy. And then I went home and I started thinking about it. I said, oh no, I know a lot about sexy.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows a lot about sexy, Because I know what is vibrant right.
Speaker 1:And so then I changed the book and hooked it up with sexy, so I think it trivialized the topic a little. If you can, if you can, overlook that the sexy is a little overdone. It's funny in some places, but it's overdone, and just listen to it it's like it's almost like a channeled book it was, it's. It's a. There's some beautiful stuff in it about how, what stress is and how to deal with stress, and it talks about death and it talks about those eight parts that I talked about and it talks about illness what illness is and it's a pretty easy, pretty easy read and it's on online. So that's. But that's the. That's the model, I think. I think as a model model it works really well. But we call it. We could call it something else too. Yeah, yeah, call it whatever you want, whatever. Whatever makes, makes, sense anyway.
Speaker 1:So that's that's. That was uh, I wrote that in 2017, and so what I'm mostly interested in now? To turn human nature into a teachable field, because we've been here for 200,000 years and we don't know what we are. And there are people who've talked about it. It was all you know that all the great masters were teachers of human nature, but you can't go to university and get a course where human nature, where you really look at human nature, because you have to look at all of that if you want to do that.
Speaker 1:You got to look at the awareness part, you got to look at the energy part, you got to look at the emotional and the mental and the physical, and so you got to look at all of it, and nobody does that, and every profession only looks at one piece. So the psychologists want to do everything by talking and the religious people want to do everything by prayer, and the business people want to do everything with dollars or with pounds, and so everybody's trying to fix everything with only one modality. Well, we are multimodal. We are complex integrations. We are a complex integration of a number of factors that are completely different in their nature.
Speaker 2:Are you familiar with paul check? Colchic paul check, paul check no ah, yeah, because he he does talk about all those things. Okay, yeah, he's someone that's he's into all that yeah, and then and then.
Speaker 1:The other thing is that the other thing I'm working on is to turn total health into a teachable field. And again it's like you have to look at all those eight parts pan. Or it's living in cities, or it's cooking our food and destroying part of it, or eating what do they call them now? The processed foods. You know, everybody's getting sick on processed foods because they use white flour. You know, donut, white flour, glazed with white sugar, fried in white oil. Right, that's food, right.
Speaker 1:And then how do you get? How do you live in line with nature and your nature when you live in the city? Yeah, then you got to start thinking about well, spend some time in the country. Well, get your food fresh. Well, go organic again. Well, whatever it is that you need to do, because you, as life, have only one job, which is to take care of the body and its needs and the environment within which it unfolds. So that's what I'm doing. I'm 82. I have a few more years. I'm still in pretty good shape. I had arthritis when I was 38, pain in my knees. When I bent my knees they hurt. I'm 82. I got nothing. I got no pain anywhere in my body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, I'm doing several things right?
Speaker 2:Certainly looks that way. So what's next for you, Udo?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I do quite a few podcasts. I love podcasts, by the way, because it's a simple thing. It's not based on advertising dollars, it's based on you help. First of all, the hosts are often people who are really interested in learning lots of stuff, so that's a great way to learn. You become the host, but you're really a student, right? Is that true? Yeah, absolutely so. You get lots of different stories and lots to think about, and so it's good for education for the host. It's good for education for the host. It's good for education for the host's following. It's a way to get to people I would never meet in real life. And then you promote what I'm doing and I promote what you're doing, and it's a very simple exchange that isn't based on hiding secrets, keeping secrets, you know, patenting and words or pretending that things are not what they are, because there's a lot of that going on in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and so then you, so I really like the thing I like the most of everything I'm doing, because there's a lot of that going on in the world. Yeah, absolutely so then you, so so I, so I, I really like the. The thing I like the most of everything I'm doing is the podcast yeah, I must admit I'm I'm hooked on podcasting myself yeah yeah, awesome I'm I, I saw, I I went through your list.
Speaker 1:I actually read every title on your list. There's a lot, yeah, a lot of different people with a lot of different angles on a lot of different things yeah, definitely, yeah, I'm. I'm fortunate, I've had some amazing guests yeah, and and I can imagine, given that you've done over 100 of them, that you've you probably learned a thing or or two in the process, or gotten things to further consider and delve into and think about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. And where can people find you online?
Speaker 1:Well, let's see, I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram, I have a YouTube channel. I'm on LinkedIn. I have a website called udoschoicecom. Digestive and brain function products. They're kits. And you go to ifit2win I fit to win, so I-F-I-T. Number two, win W-I-N I fit to win. So com is that? That's a com. Yeah, yeah, great. There are lots of ways. I'm not hard to find. I'm not hiding under a rock. If you go on Google and put in Udo Erasmus, if you spell it right, I show up on the first page. And that's the bonus for having an impossible name, right? If my name was Jack Smith, you would never find me. Yeah, but my name is Udo Erasmus, so I'm on the first page on Google if you spell the name, right, yeah. And then there's podcasts. You can watch some of the podcasts I've done, right, yeah? And then there's podcasts. You can you can watch some of the podcasts.
Speaker 2:I've done them yeah, so there's a lot. Yeah, I'll make sure. I'll make sure all your links are in the show notes. Cool, awesome, udo. Thank you so much for your time and thank you for sharing your you know worldly wisdom that you've accumulated over the last 82 years. It's been a it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:I I love, I love doing this and I love that you're doing this. Yeah, I appreciate it yeah, that's awesome and I hope and I hope all of your listeners get something out of it that makes your life just a little bit more yeah, that's why we're here. Right, more quality yeah, yeah, that's why we're here that's why we're here.
Speaker 2:So that's all from udo and me for this week. Don't forget to join me same time, same place next week on the radical health rebel podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Remember to give the show a rating and a review and I'll see you next time.
