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132 - Arthritis: The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me with Phil Escott
Welcome back to the Radical Health Rebel Podcast! Today, I’m joined by Phil Escott, author of Arthritis: The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me. Phil's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Once crippled by psoriatic arthritis, he endured years of pain and frustration trying to find answers through conventional medicine and various dietary approaches, including vegetarianism and veganism, which only made his condition worse.
But Phil discovered a path to healing through a radical shift in his diet to purely grass-fed red meats, transforming his health and life in the process. In this episode, we delve deep into what psoriatic arthritis is, the challenges Phil faced on his journey, and the surprising role diet plays in managing this autoimmune condition.
We’ll also uncover some subtle but significant factors that contribute to chronic illness, including unresolved emotions, trauma, and even environmental influences like EMF pollution. Get ready for an eye-opening conversation that challenges conventional thinking and offers hope for anyone struggling with chronic health issues.
We discussed:
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Challenge Conventional Thinking on Health
4:53
Journey to Health and Carnivory
11:56
Natural Healing Through Diet and Lifestyle
24:55
Medical Training and Patient Advocacy
30:04
Uncovering Truths in Medical System
40:44
Understanding Pain as a Messenger
52:00
Healing Through Simple Lifestyle Changes
1:05:31
Navigating Dietary Beliefs and Healing
1:17:50
Exploring Emotional Causes of Physical Symptoms
1:29:04
Carnivore Diet and Gut Health
1:36:38
Confidence in Natural Healing Methods
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I think it's nonsense. You know, the body inflames and there is no such thing as bad inflammation. It's trying to do what it's trying to do and it's trying to protect you, it's trying to help you, and you have to find the root cause of it. You do not want to be shutting down these inflammatory pathways, and that's what they're doing and that's all they can do. That's all they've been told to do, because they are legalized drug pushers, basically.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed, and it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show. Welcome back to the Radical Health Rebel podcast.
Speaker 2:Today, I'm joined by Phil Escott, author of Arthritis, the Best Thing that Ever Happened To Me. Phil's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Once crippled by sciatic arthritis, he endured years of pain and frustration, trying to find answers through conventional medicine and various dietary approaches, including vegetarianism and veganism, which only made his condition worse. But Phil discovered a path to healing through a radical shift in his diet to purely grass-fed red meats, transforming his health and life in the process. In this episode, we delve deep into what sciatic arthritis is, the challenges Phil faced on his journey and the surprising role diet plays in managing his autoimmune condition. We also uncover some subtle but significant factors that contribute to chronic illness, including unresolved emotions, trauma and even environmental influences like EMF pollution. Get ready for an eye-opening conversation that challenges conventional thinking and offers hope for anyone struggling with chronic health issues. Bill Escott, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 1:Lee, thank you so much. Amazing we got here with the technical chaos. I'm very honored to be invited.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah, we, we got there and I'm really looking forward to this. Um. So today, phil, the subjects I really want to talk about is one that's close to my own heart. As you know, I have several family members who either suffer from, or used to suffer from, sciatic arthritis, and I've seen the suffering at close quarters and all the awful interventions by their medical doctors. And, as you probably know, phil, trying to help family members is difficult and frustrating at the best of times. Like to really kind of start with is if you could share your story that you describe so brilliantly in your fantastic book Arthritis the Best Thing that Ever Happened To Me, which those of you listening I'm holding it up right now. I think a couple of my family members have already purchased the book since I've told them about it. But could you begin by perhaps giving the listeners an overview of your background, including things like when you were a gym owner, your drumming being a yogi, so basically building up to the time when all your kind of major health problems started?
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, well, you know I've been very in in health and, um, you know, lifestyle that kind of thing since about, I don't know, probably 1980 or so, when I was 18 years old and I had, uh, I had a big interest more in the in the sort of um, spiritual side of things. After that, after sort of enormous amounts of psilocybin mushrooms, and decided that that probably wasn't the way to go. So I ended up getting really into the yogi side and the transcendental meditation, that kind of thing, and ended up joining that movement and that kind of got me into the whole business of vegetarianism, you know, which is so predominant in these spiritual communities. And uh, yeah, I was playing drums as well. I've always been a drummer and, um, yeah, so for many years I I moved up here in 1986 and and for many years I I just ate vegetarian food and did yoga and meditated and did their their comedy flying, you know, the flying sutra, where you know, people sit in lotus and bounce around on foam mattresses and think it's going to bring around world peace.
Speaker 1:But that kind of conned me for a while and so then I did I suppose it was like late 80s, early 90s I decided to get into more training and stuff and um, I started going to gyms and this and that and owned my own gym from, I think, 1997 till 1999, when I went off to india for some extended travels, and let that gym go, and then, I think, in the 2000s, I, I, I wasn't really training and I was um losing interest in that kind of spirituality as well, but I'm eating some rubbish, you know, although it was largely um plant-based, and then in 2010, ended up with, uh, really crippled with psoriatic arthritis. I should have seen the signs for probably decades before, um, you know, never mind um years before, but they were. They were coming up for ages and um, yeah, and, and I, I was in real mess. I couldn't move my back, my neck, my, particularly my ankles were blown up, one knee, my wrist that had been kicking off a bit since 2000 and, no, since early 90s, that went mad as well. And, yeah, I was in a terrible mess. I could hardly get up off the sofa.
Speaker 1:Life was hell and I already, you know, leading up to it, I'd seen that I'd had calcifications in arteries, I had fatty liver and cysts on the liver, I had kidney issues, um, all sorts of things, and so you know, I looked into all the research that you've seen, that I went into in the book and, um, yeah, it was, uh, it was a real difficult time because I had to try and get out of the brainwashing of the um, plant-based stuff and right, I'll go even more plant-based, and so I ended up, you know, not veggie but vegan, and then raw vegan and juicing and oh God you know, and all that did was de-enamel my teeth and take all my muscle away and leave me with kidney stones from all the oxalates from the spinach smoothies and it didn't do anything really for the joints.
Speaker 1:But then, around 2013, after looking into stuff like Jack Cruz and Natasha Campbell McBride's GAPS diet and things like that, I twigged that, yeah, we should be eating a load of fatty meat, but I still thought that it was important to eat your healthy veg with them. And it wasn't until after I'd written that book actually 2015, that I went fully carnivore and reaped the benefits thereof. And it seems mad to a lot of people but, wow, most of us come to carnivory out of desperation.
Speaker 2:But the truth is is it is unbelievably healing yeah, I just want to take you back a little bit before we dive a bit deeper into that. What, what, um, what motivated you to open the gym?
Speaker 1:uh, I just got a craving for being muscly, but but my, um, my motivation really to tell you the truth was that there was a nice, uh upstairs that wasn't being used, that we could put a recording studio in, and so I thought, yeah, it'll be great, I'll just muck around downstairs, the gym will run itself. And you know, the band I was in at the time called the acrobats of saar amazing band, actually, very, very cool. I thought, yeah, we can have our own private studio, we can have that upstairs. Of course, it doesn't work out like that. I was very naive. The gym took a lot of running, a lot of training people, and it messed up.
Speaker 1:You know both my, my ambitions as a musician and the band itself. But, um, the studio is still running. Um, under the name of the guitarist, you know, and well, under the under the name of the guitarist, you know well, under the, you know, heading of the guitarist, mark Wainwright, and it's Alien Sound Studios up here and it's doing very well and he's absolutely brilliant. So, you know, something great came out of it. But, yeah, it didn't work as trying to do both of the things at once at all.
Speaker 2:So up until the point where you opened the gym was like your main source of income playing in the band no, I never really earned anything from that band because we had such expensive equipment.
Speaker 1:We always insisted on having roadies when we couldn't afford them, and so I I don't think I ever really earned anything until I ended up going out playing my first blues cover and somebody put 50 quid in my hand and I thought, my god, do people actually get paid for doing music? No, I mean, my income up till then was all sorts of bizarre things. You know, I was a gemstone dealer for sort of rushing gems in between and a very good friend of mine who's she's a great gemstone dealer down in Hatton Garden and rushing gems between them and the tm movement. When they got the jotish stuff going and they were selling gems to people actually very low quality ones I was getting some great ones for them. Um, ad sold oriental carpets, did what I've done all sorts of weird things, you know, all sorts of weird things to try and fill in the gaps. Yeah, all I've done is avoided a job right, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 2:So just for the audience, when you say tm, you mean transcendental meditation that's right yeah yeah, yeah. And then when? When? Because you live in lancashire now, right, I do, yeah, yeah. When did you move up there? It was 1986.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I, I grew up down south in, um, you know, berkshire and surrey, and went to all these awful boarding schools and uh, yeah, rebelled against that and moved up to the, the frozen north. And uh, for six months or so I thought I'll just move up there, check it out.
Speaker 2:And here I still am, years and years and years later yeah, because I, just so you know, I actually visit lancashire a few times a year, so I actually teach courses in eccleston. Oh, yeah, okay, I know, which is not a million miles from where you live, right, not a million miles at all. No, yeah, yeah, I think I even turn off the same junction at the, the M6, to go there than if I was to go to yours. I think if that'd be right, yeah, quite possibly Interesting. So you mentioned a few of the health challenges that you had. If we could maybe go into a bit more detail, can you remember the first time you thought damn, this is something a bit serious, I need to go and see a doctor. And what was the result of that doctor's visit?
Speaker 2:I first met Amelia at a health club where I was hosting an event offering back screenings to the members. The first thing I noticed about Amelia was a dullness in her eyes, which I later realized was due to the members. The first thing I noticed about Amelia was a dullness in her eyes, which I later realized was due to extreme pain, and I noticed that she was unable to turn her head and had to turn her whole body if she wanted to look in a different direction. Amelia informed me that she had a history of repeated shoulder and neck pain for the last two years and was diagnosed with spinal stenosis at C45, c56 and C67, and a stenosis is a blockage which, in Amelia's case, was in the spinal canal of her neck, irritating her spinal cord. She had extreme tenderness over her neck and trapezius muscles on both sides and she suffered from severe neck pain continuously. Amelia informed me that she'd been advised that spinal surgery was the only option, but the surgery came with great risks, including potential paralysis and no guarantee of success, which made Amelia fearful of the surgery.
Speaker 2:In addition to this, amelia suffered from continuous exhaustion, painful intestinal gas and bloating, even though she felt she was following a healthy diet. After a thorough evaluation, I designed Amelia a corrective exercise, nutrition and lifestyle plan, plus. I referred her to a new chiropractor for specific adjustments to her neck. After following the plan religiously, amelia is much stronger and much more flexible than she's ever been before and no longer suffers from repeated neck pain and has full range of motion in her neck. Amelia also reported that her energy was maximized and that she no longer suffers from the gripping stomach pains that had dominated her life for a very long time. If you're suffering like Amelia was and you'd like to find out more about getting to the root cause of your pain, go to wwwbodycheckcouk that's B-O-D-Y-C-H-E-Kcouk to request your consultation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was when one ankle blew up so I could hardly even walk on it and that was the first of the really bad joints. You know, it was red and it was inflamed and it was huge and I thought maybe it's an old climbing wall injury. I fell off a climbing wall years ago and damaged that ankle and I thought, yeah, it's probably that. Uh, no, it wasn't. And I, where did I go? I can't remember where I went first, but I mean you know, gp visits are pretty useless. But I got in there, in referred to a rheumatologist and, um, that was just, uh, just ridiculous. I mean he, he said, well, that's it, yes, you've got arthritis, it might be reactive arthritis, and but all arthritis is reactive arthritis right it's reacting to something, but their, their um definition of that is something that you've done recently, that that has caused it.
Speaker 1:you know I did. They got some funny ideas about what goes on. They have no idea what autoimmunity is, um, and he sort of sat me down and told me I was going to need pills forever and drained a load of fluid off my knee and yeah, and he just said it was hopeless really. And so you come out there extremely depressed. But I've always been into the alternative stuff and never trusted the medical system really. So I always knew that I'd figure some way out. Never did I think that it would be just eating meat. But you know, he did put the fear of God up me and I went home extremely depressed and wondering what to do.
Speaker 1:And for a month or so I did take his medications, but all they did was turn my fingers yellow and give me sort of psychotic acid, flashbacks and stuff, and I didn't think that there was any use in taking that. So I just stopped it and went on my own way. I thought you know I've got a huge health puzzle. Now the information is out there about the carnivore diet and huge amounts of success stories, so it's not so difficult for people now. But back then there wasn't so much um, there wasn't so much info, and so it took a lot of took a lot of digging and a lot of blowing up of old um, old brainwashing yeah, I just want to take you back again.
Speaker 2:So so you're with the, with the rheumatologist, and did he say that it was cirrhotic arthritis?
Speaker 1:no, they not to start with, because they don't know what it is. They they wait for blood tests and then they put some funny name on it. So he said, basically we've got to wait six months to see whether it's rheumatoid or psoriatic. Well, I didn't have rheumatoid factor, so it wasn't rheumatoid, um, but they didn't know. And afteratoid factor, so it wasn't rheumatoid, but they didn't know.
Speaker 1:And after a few months I ended up being a sack in him and getting a different rheumatologist because I thought maybe one might be better than another, and he seemed really sweet, really lovely, but, as you can see from the book, there's some comedy episodes with that one and he was very aggressive in the end if you don't just take their pills and shut up, and so you can get very aggressive in the end if you, if you don't just take their pills and shut up. Yeah, and so he did as well, and eventually he was the one who said it's psoriatic arthritis. But I, I'm not into these labels anymore. I think it's nonsense.
Speaker 1:You know, the body inflames and there is no such thing as bad inflammation. It's trying to do what it's trying to do and it's trying to protect you, it's trying to help you and you have to find the root cause of it. You do not want to be shutting down these inflammatory pathways. Yeah, and, and that's what, that's what they're doing and it's, um, that's all they can do, that's all they've been told to do, because they are, you know, legalized drug pushers.
Speaker 2:Basically, yeah, okay, it's not, not the way to go around it yeah, so you go to the first rheumatologist with with your ankle that's swollen, which I'm guessing didn't didn't do a lot for your drumming. Um, they give you pills. Can you remember what they gave you initially?
Speaker 1:yeah. Well, they tried to get me on methotrexate initially. They always give you steroids, which does work. I mean, yes, it gets you completely out of pain. It's amazing. You think, wow, I'm cured, yeah, but they even they know that they're too strong and they're a bargain with the devil and you can't, um, you can't take them long term, and so they try and wean you off onto one of their other sort of drugs that blow up the liver, like methotrexate, which I always refuse to take. Yeah, so, uh, yeah, methotrexate is vile stuff. Yeah, it does a lot of damage and it often doesn't work anyway. But what they put me on was sulfasalazine. I agreed to try that out and, as I say that, that, just you know, had some side effects and it did. Well, they're effects. Let's not call them side effects. They are effects because they didn't even work on the joints anyway. So, yeah, horrible stuff, absolute toxins, yeah yeah, yeah, one.
Speaker 2:One of my family members who had cyritic arthritis was prescribed methotrexate and when they told me, I said you do know that that's a form of chemotherapy, and he's like, oh, is it? And I said yes. And I said have you looked at the side effects on the list? And he's like no, well, one of them is cancer, right. So anyway, cut a long story short, their arthritic pain went away, which meant that they could carry on working. But a few years down the line, guess what they got? Yeah, very predictable cancer, right.
Speaker 2:And so you know what you've alluded to already. I'm sure we're going to talk about it more. But you know, so important, rather than just trying to mask the symptom and then cause another problem down the line you've got to, you've got to really get in there and get to the root cause, which I'm sure we're going to talk about a bit more in a while. So you saw the two rheumatologists. By the time you saw the second one, were your symptoms getting worse or were they kind of the same? Or what stage was you at when you saw the second rheumatologist?
Speaker 1:well, they were calming down a bit, but I was still in my vegan days and so that's not really going to fix anything. I mean, I'd lost a hell of a lot of weight. I'd lost about you know, I don't know 75 pounds, something like that, only losing the last of the fat when I eventually went keto. But during that time, during that veganism time, I just lost all my muscle as well. So I didn't look good at all and yeah. So I mean there were certain little encouraging signs because I wasn't eating a load of grains anymore.
Speaker 1:You know, I'd given up some things. But you know, this is the most dangerous thing about veganism the honeymoon period, when it appears to be working. But it's basically a fast and that's why it works, sometimes temporarily, for some people and and they say, oh, there's all these great healing stories on it. But to be honest, you know, for every one it works for even short term. There's, there's hundreds that it doesn't work for and and so, yeah, I think I I left myself seriously nutritionally depleted and didn't really have many benefits from it. So, yeah, I, there were some encouraging signs that it was to do with diet, largely, and so that kept me going. It kept me arguing with the rheumatologists. So you know, most people who, um, who go to rheumatologists, they just carry on eating bread and cereal and pasta and whatever, and so they don't notice any difference. I'd noticed a bit of a difference, um, and so I thought I was on the right track. I wasn't, but I had sort of figured out something and at least I knew that they were when they said that it has nothing to do with diet. It was nonsense.
Speaker 1:Now, during that time, I did periodically get out of pain with extended fasts, which, of course, blew up my muscle even more. So I was doing regular three and five day fasts. I think one was 11. But these were day fasts. I think one was 11, but this with these were water fasts, and really I, I, I think water fasts they're. They're okay sometimes, but when you water fast you do lose muscle. If I'd have known about dry fasting back, then I might have preserved some muscle, because when you fast and have no food and no water it can preserve, it works a lot quicker. Like they say, one day dry fasting is equivalent to three days water fasting, but it also um, it also preserves muscle mass because the body is looking more for hydration where it gets from. You know blowing up cells that are not so useful. The blood body is very wise. It will blow up tumor cells, it will blow up cysts and, you know, excess fluid here and there, and the body is very wise. And so this is why dry fasting is such a powerful tool.
Speaker 1:But when you fast, either with water or dry fasting, inflammation dies right down, and and so this is clear proof to me that is something to do with the diet. Otherwise it would just carry on if you didn't eat right. Yeah, and so you tell the rheumatologist that you say it's got to be something to a diet. But I wasn't figuring it out because every time I started eating again it would come back because I hadn't figured out what to eat yet. That wasn't destroying my gut. Yeah, so you know, when they say it's got nothing to do with diet, it's because all they've ever seen maybe is one person who gave up bread for a week or something you know, and that's not going to do much. So they say, oh, it's nothing to do with diet. No, it takes concentrated effort with exactly the right diet for weeks, if not months, and then you can hope to unwind the damage that you've done for decades. You can't switch it off in a day, however perfect you go. You know?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know that's. That's really interesting because, um, I don't know if you can see my latest book. So I I suffered for from acne for 18 years right, yeah, I've seen you, you've been, uh, yeah in that field yeah, yeah, and I can remember.
Speaker 2:I was probably 13, 14. My mom took me to the gp because, you know, my acne wasn't getting any better. You know the doctor had thrown everything at me that they knew what to give me and it was getting worse. It wasn't getting better, it was getting worse. And my mom just said is there anything I'm feeding him that could be causing the acne? And the doctor said oh, no, no, no, no, no, there's absolutely no link between acne and diet. And that was 1982, 1983 kind of time.
Speaker 2:And it's interesting if you go onto the NHS that's the National Health Service website and you look up acne, it will say in there, like myth busting, it's a myth that there's any link between acne and diet, and it and it's. And it says there's no evidence to suggest that there's any link between acne and diet. Well, guess what I did? I've? I went on pubmed and I searched for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and I found hundreds of papers linking diet to acne, right, and it's all over the NHS website. So there's absolutely no link. It's a myth. Don't believe anyone that tells you it's related.
Speaker 2:But then when you look at what doctors are trained in. They're trained in physiology, pathology, pharmacology, right. There's no nutrition in there, so how would they even know? Right, they don't study nutrition. Like you said, they're just legalized drug pushers. Right, and to a degree it's not their fault because they're kind of indoctrinated into the system in the medical training. But then a part of me thinks, well, actually, no, they should be responsible and like we've done, we've gone out and done our own research. Doctors should do that as well. Well, that's my view anyway.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. But the ones who do, they end up talking exactly about the same things as we do, right? Yeah, I mean you know Ken Berry, Anthony Chafee, Sean Baker and many other docs now are speaking exactly what we're speaking about, and they've got it from the same place, and the only docs that aren't speaking about it are the ones that can't be bothered to research.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all ones are too scared to speak out. That's the other issue, right, because if they speak out, we've seen what's happened to a lot of doctors in the last few years right, they either get hounded out, they get pushed out or they end up leaving because they don't want to be part of that system. But telling the truth and trying to stick up for patients and patient safety right, we all know what I'm talking about. They lose their medical license or they give it back because they don't want to be part of that system, or they don't want to go through the punishment of having to go through a kangaroo court, which we know now exists, certainly in the UK. So, yeah, it's interesting. So, yeah, um. So by the time you saw the second rheumatologist, things aren't getting much better. You've noticed that a few things in your diet are possibly causing the problem. Because you've cut those out, things maybe got a little bit better. What? What was the next stage from there?
Speaker 1:well, the next stage, I think really I was on my own. Then I I did go back once, you know, to try. An appointment came up, which I think I went on about in the book, but an appointment did come up. I didn't make one. You know, you get these appointments that come up automatically. And I thought, oh cool, I'll go back and show him how well I've done. And so I was the only one that was sort of jumping up and down in in the waiting room and, um, I I went in there and I said check out what I've done. And he just said, well, no, it's all carrying on and it's going to get in your heart and lungs and you know, then you'll get a tumor and you know you need to be on the methotrexate or you'll be in real trouble. And I said, look, I don't have this due to a deficiency in methotrexate seriously.
Speaker 1:And I said look, you know I'm not going to do it, I'm not going to take anything. I just came back in to show you this. And he got so angry he started shouting. He actually frothed at the mouth and I told him that you know, frothing at the mouth can be a sign of heart disease and left and never came back, and that was it. I'd left and never came back, and and that was it, I'd had enough of them by then. I only went in there to show him that that I was doing well and I hadn't even got completely better, but I was a lot better than anyone in his waiting room.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, and I think by that stage I'd probably twigged that we needed a load of fatty meat and we were not vegetarian as a species. And I think I found a website called something like beyond vegetarianismarianismcom. And it was these two vegetarians who decided to do some research. One had gone back to me, one hadn't, but realized that he should do, but he just could not get over his disgust of it. You know there's these funny sort of things that are put into our brain, but anyway, that led me down that path. And then I found Natasha Campbell-McBride and the GAPS diet and I found Natasha Campbell-McBride and the Gap's Diet. And I love Natasha.
Speaker 1:I think you know she's been on my podcast and she's done a few Zoom meetings, a few Zoom appearances at the events that we organize, including the one we just did in Spain. I finally persuaded her. Next year she is actually turning up in Spain, but she's overdue for a massive hug by about 10 years. I love her. You know I've got to know a lot of these people in this space and I met them personally and they've been on my podcast, I've been on theirs and they've come to do events, you know, and speak at the events and I know them very well, but I never got to meet Natasha yet, but she was really an initial inspiration and I did read I remember, you know, reading in one of her things or hearing on a podcast, that she had some people who were just eating meat and no veg at all and they were doing beautifully and I thought, wow, well, you know, I I don't need to go that far, I'll just carry on with the healthy veg because they can't be a problem.
Speaker 1:You know I hadn't tweaked about plant toxins, which is which is a huge subject in which my friend anthony, you know he's got that great video, hasn't he that plants are trying to kill you on youtube. Please, everybody go and watch that and dr anthony chafee plants are trying to kill you.
Speaker 1:It'll blow your mind. It's about an hour long. You won't believe what's in your broccoli and cauliflower, and particularly your brussels sprouts 136 known human carcinogens. Yeah, no wonder they taste so revolting. But anyway, you know, I was still sort of roasting my healthy veg with my fatty meat and I just noticed, on the days where I didn't eat it I felt a lot better and so I just slid out of it. I couldn't be bothered to cook them anymore and ended up kind of by my own choice really carniv in 2015, or by what I. I went by how I felt there wasn't so much info about it.
Speaker 1:Then you know there's a hell of a lot now, a load of people speaking out about it, some great docs and some great clinical results. Like another good friend of mine, dr clements of paleo medicina, their their results on on a really high fat, fully carnivore diet no dairy, definitely no dairy, they say, and their results are incredible. And that's really how I ended up on a what they call a pkd, that paleolithic, ketogenic diet, which is just really high fat, carnivore, really, preferably ruminant animals, only little bit of organ meats, that kind of thing, salt and water, and the results they're getting, even on horrific diagnoses like glioblastomas like. Uh, like my friend andrew scarborough, and he was diagnosed with that like 11 years ago. That's like a two year sort of a two, three month and you're dead kind of diagnosis. And here he is, 11 years on, absolutely thriving.
Speaker 1:So you know, it's not just for arthritis and stuff. If you give the body what it needs and take away what it doesn't need it, it has amazing healing processes. And and like you say that the docs are educated to think that things are incurable, so that these kind of truths don't come out. I don't want to put my tinfoil hat on too much, but I believe that the medical system, apart from trauma care and a couple of other things, is seriously evil and I think it's there to keep people ill and keep them buying that crap. It's very tied in with the processed food industry, isn't it? It all goes hand in hand. Let's keep them sick, keep them buying meds, keep them alive and pretty sick for as long as we can, and there we go. And then in America, where they don't have an NHS system, then bankrupt the whole family by stealing the money from the house and the inheritance and you know for paying for the actual processes that killed them in the first place.
Speaker 2:Horrific, horrific racket, genocidal racket yeah, yeah, I agree, I mean I do. I do think emergency medical care is is done very, very well, but chronic, you know, chronic chronic health, yeah, they just make it worse in my, in my opinion. But just going back to plants, I have actually had sally norton on the show, so if anyone, has?
Speaker 1:I chatted to her on mine as well. She's great, isn't she?
Speaker 2:yeah, very cool if anyone hasn't listened to my episode with sally norton, uh, I would highly recommend you go and listen to that episode. It's called toxic superfoods, um, same name as her book, which again is great as well. Um, and that's. That's a real eye-opener for a lot of people yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And you know, oxalates, which she focuses on the most of the plant toxins, is one of the very nastiest ones and one that I I fell foul of, and when I was chatting to her I was, you know, I 2022 I ended up we I well, 2012, I had a kidney stone, had to have it lasered out, um, and then I thought, oh well, you know, that's done, I'm sorted. But what I didn't realize was the oxalates dump for years and I ended up with a kidney stone in 2022, in the summer. I passed it myself this time, thank God, but it was horrific pain and I was talking to Sally about that and I said, you know why would I have got one? I haven said, um, you know why would I've got one? I haven't had any oxalates for like eight years? And she said, no, it can take even up to decades to dump these things out.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, most people are not stone formers, so they won't get kidney stones, but you can get various issues. You know skin issues and styes in the eye and this and that all sorts of symptoms when the oxalates start moving and uh, yeah, it's nasty. It's nasty. We are full of plant toxins from our healthy five a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, another person I've had on the podcast is jane buxton, uh, who wrote the book the great plant-based con, which again, is another fantastic book. So again, so well researched, so well written. You know, and she she's she's not necessarily telling anyone to go carnivore, but you know it's. It's again, it's a really good read. And if, again, if you haven't listened actually there was two episodes I did with her because the interview was so long I had to split it into into two parts um, so yeah, if you haven't checked that out, I would definitely check that out. Just going back to your time, how long long did you have your cyberetic arthritis for? In total, attention, all radical health rebels. Are you ready to uncover the truth? The authorities don't want you to know.
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Speaker 1:You know, there was joint issues going on from the mid-80s. I just thought, oh, look, my hips and sacroiliac joint are a bit sore because I sit in Lotus and bounce around on the phone too much. No, but there was loads of other people who didn't get that. And then my wrist oh, maybe it's too much drumming, maybe I have. Oh, they first diagnosed it as, uh, kind box disease, which is an avascular necrosis of the lunate bone, so the lunate bone crumbles away. Um, it wasn't that.
Speaker 1:But I'm glad they didn't diagnose it, because probably back then, in the early 90s, I would have taken their drugs. I wouldn't have had a clue what to do. Um, so I? How long did I? It's hard to say. You see, this thing once the body's learned how to do something like this, if you make mistakes, it can start doing it again, and so do I have it either the body remembers how to do it now, and so I've got to be very careful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, if I eat something wrong and by something wrong I don't mean plants, I mean, um, you know, pork, chicken, dairy or eggs if I eat too much of that, I'll feel it, you know, I mean not as bad as I did back in 2011, 2012, as long as I lay off it, but I did have. I was worse. In the winter of 2022, I went on anthony chaffee's channel and talked about that a lot, because people sort of saying, oh no, you shouldn't be on camera. You're looking so skinny, you're looking, you know. I said no, I gotta be honest. I want to be open about these things and help people to understand, because you know I was. I played drums with the daz band, this very um, rebellious band, you know, and we play the freedom festivals and whatever, and I was eating dairy, chicken, pork, eggs. It's more easy to find that kind of thing on the road, right?
Speaker 1:when you're eating out, whereas you know, fatty beef and lamb is very difficult to find and I thought you know I've been carnivore that long. This will be fine. I'm not eating any plants or anything and it took a while. It wasn't like a week, it wasn't even a month, but it was, you know, eating that consistently over the year and by that autumn, equinox, when often loads of symptoms come out. And you know, if there was a time god forbid that anybody would want to fake a pandemic, but if they ever did that, that would be that that would be the time to do it.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, when people get their natural detoxes and, and you know there was a kidney stone happening. There was obviously an obsolete component, but it was also a very stressful year. There's a lot of other layers to health, yeah, and just diet, yeah, but, um, it was a very stressful year. It was very difficult and you know, by the winter I was crippled and I lost 45 pounds again I don't need to lose and you know, ended up at about nine stone again at five, five foot ten. That's not a nice place to be, but often during these healing phases you do get very, very skinny and then the weight just comes back up I'm. I put about half of that back on again now and I'm kind of happy where I am, but I'm very lean again now. But I need to do some training and put some muscle mass on because, you know, in spain, standing next to anthony chafee my god, you know, I, I did look like a toothpick, and next year I've got sean baker coming as well, so I got to stand in between them and it's going to look ridiculous, you know, like a, a thick doorstop sandwich with a stupid little thin bit of ham in it. I'll tell you where that analogy comes. But, yeah, I, so you know I. Yeah, I need to get back to some training. But, um, how long did I have it? I think it's always there. There's an echo, right, you know, but the thing is, this time, when it happened, it taught me a lot.
Speaker 1:In the winter of 2022, it was actually worse than it was before. It was horrific, but I had no doubts about the diet, zero doubts. Whatever happened to me, whatever the blood showed, whatever was going on, I only had the blood drawn to send them to Jofia, a paleo-medicine. The NHS immediately misinterpreted them and said you've got cancer, which I knew I didn't have. And I said well, you know, I'm not going to take any of the treatments anyway. Even if I have, I know what to do about it. Um so yeah, I just went very high. Fat lamb beef, that was it again. Even at the beginning I couldn't even handle a ribeye steak. I had to. That was agony as it went through the leaky gut that was obviously been trashed again.
Speaker 1:Um, I had to even have, you know, like bone broth with a lot of fat floating in it. That was about all I could handle, and then I eased into it, whereas it took me about three years probably to get out of it the first time around when I wrote the book, this time when I really knew what to do, it took about three months yeah.
Speaker 2:So it sounds to me like I guess, if you call it your first period of suffering, let's call it. Might not be a good word to use, but let's go with that. It was about maybe 15 years.
Speaker 1:Let's say so from mid-80s to around the year 2000,. Would that be right? Well, mid-80s until about 2010,.
Speaker 2:really, oh, 2010,. Sorry, so 25 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably, but I mean, most of that time I wasn't in any pain. I mean, I was training hard, I was riding mountain bikes and writing for mountain bike mags, but I was always a little more achy afterwards than most people should be that kind of thing and I'd get a bad back all the time. And I was always going to the chiropractor or osteopath. I mean, I went to so many, I became friends with them and learned loads of techniques, so if somebody did their back in in the gym, they were on the ground. I was crunching them out. You know, I knew everything because it had been done on me so many times and it that wasn't the issue. I mean, I just don't get that anymore. I can't remember when I last went to a chiropractor I don't need one anymore because, you know, I didn't. I didn't understand that mostly it's inflammation in the spine. It wasn't subluxations, it wasn't this, it wasn't that. You know it didn't need a crunch, probably. It just needed me to stop eating that crappy food, um, but those were the sort of echoes. It wasn't like I was in a wheelchair for 25 years or anything like that. It was.
Speaker 1:You know, that's how it starts, though, with people, those little symptoms that everybody has, because you get used to how everybody gets aches and pains, everybody. No, you shouldn't do, do? You know joints should last a whole lifetime and a lifetime should be a lot longer than they are now. And you know, it's like when people say that these indigenous tribes, the people die young, they don't have time to get a chronic disease, well, they don't die young. The average can be brought down sometimes by, you know, infant mortality, lack of trauma care and whatever. But when these people get old 80 plus, even 100 plus they're in incredible health and they mostly meet. There's a lot of other factors. You know the light, the grounding, all that kind of thing. You know fantastic lifestyle they have. That we don't.
Speaker 1:But um, yeah, so it's, um, there's a whole, there's a whole load of different factors to it. But you should not. If you're getting little aches and pains here and there, little digestive issues, this and that skin eruptions, it's a sign that something's wrong. You know, as I always say, listen to the whispers before they become shouts. And I didn't, or well, I, I did, but I went down the wrong path with everything. You know, the first book I ever wrote was in the mid 90s and it was on, you know, lowering your heart rate during cardio training and um and ayurveda and all the different foods and all the doshas that they affected and in what way. I mean I just need to cut all the damn foods out that I was eating back then, not learn exactly how they messed you up crazy yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So just again, just for the, for the listeners, can you explain what cyritic arthritis actually is?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, what they say it is is um, you know, it's just a multiple manifestation of autoimmunity where you get skin issues. Now I didn't get many skin issues, manifestation of autoimmunity where you get skin issues. Now, I didn't get many skin issues, only a few rashes after the joints went. But basically they say that any kind of arthritis, chronic arthritis, which doesn't have a rheumatoid factor, so they can label it rheumatoid anything which has exactly the same symptoms but um, doesn't have the rheumatoid factor, they call it psoriatic arthritis. You know, I it's, it's a silly term, but you know, any autoimmunity basically is the gut becomes leaky from the poisonous foods that we eat, particularly seed oils, grains, that kind of thing. Those are the real bad ones, yeah, and that that will create leaky gut, you know. So that means that the tight junctions in the gut open up, so certain proteins are getting through in an undigested form into the bloodstream. Now there's another theory, that that autoimmunity is due to molecular mimicry. So you know, the body goes and attacks tissues that have a similar molecular structure in part to the proteins that are getting through. I don't subscribe to that. It's a common theory and at least it's better than your body is attacking itself for no reason, but I don't think it covers it. I think you know, when I had Natasha on my podcast, I asked her what is autoimmunity and the first 20 minutes were just genius. I've never heard it explained so well. But basically she was saying you know, there is not no such thing as bad inflammation.
Speaker 1:The body is trying to clear out toxins from a certain part of the body where they've lodged. Why do they lodge in a certain part of the body? Well, that's difficult to say. Why does somebody get it in one knee and not the other knee? Why do they get it in their ankle, not their elbow? I think you have to look into emotional issues for that and you get certain energetic blocks and that is huge in unwinding these things. But on a dietary level for now, um, the gut becomes leaky, the proteins get through and the toxins the plant toxins and whatever they lodge here and there and the body tries to get rid of them, which is why at the start of these things it can go from one joint to another quite quickly and then one clears up, another one does, and then one joint might get a bit damaged. You start to get some scar tissue in it, like my left knee, and then it's very difficult to clear it out of there.
Speaker 1:So I think it's very important for people to understand that they need to get rid of it while it's traveling around the body. You know people I've seen who are diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, who've come to me and it's still at the very early stages no joint damage and they're not on meds. If they go really strict with everything it, it reverses very quickly it's wonderful to see and they get left with no damage at all. They have to be strict, though. Oh well, carnivore doesn't cure anything, it just covers up the issue.
Speaker 1:Well, that's like saying the same way that you smash your foot with a hammer and then you can't smash your foot with a hammer anymore, so you're not cured. Just stop smashing your foot with a hammer, right? I mean, you take away the things that your body tried and tried to protect you from for decades and then finally gave up. And it couldn't. It got overloaded, so why would you want to go back to them? You know it's, it's. It makes no sense to me. So, oh yeah, it hasn't cured it because you can't go out and eat pizza and pasta all day, every day. Well, that's not human food and my body protected me from that for 48 odd years before it really fell apart. So why would I want to go back? So I think that's ridiculous when they say it's not cured, um, I I don't like the word cured, I just think the body has been rebelling, it's got angry, you know it's. It's told you in no uncertain terms that it's had enough.
Speaker 2:So listen to it, don't wind it up again yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, we we call that the pain teacher, right, because you know, I mean, there's a lot of I know, you've studied a lot of the eastern philosophies and you know they very much go down that road, don't they? That pain? Pain is there to teach you something and when you think of it at more of a kind of simple, simple level, what, what is pain? For pain is a signal. It's a message, right, if you step on something sharp, there's a signal from the nervous system in your foot to your brain to say if you carry on moving forwards, that sharp object is going to go straight through your foot. So, you know, contract the muscles to lift your foot off of the sharp thing, right. Or if you put your hand on something hot let's say you're in a kitchen and you don't realize there's a hot plate, you put your hand on it there's going to be a signal from you know, the pain receptors on your hand to your brain very quickly to say your hand's on something very hot, that's going to create a muscular contraction of the muscles to lift your hand off so that you don't do it damage. So at that level you can see it's very simple that pain is a messenger and some people would say that pain is a way that your subconscious mind makes your conscious mind aware of something. Because, again, if you're stepping on something that you don't know is there, it's subconscious. If you don't know you're stepping on a pin, let's say, or a nail, you wouldn't step on it consciously, would you? So you're stepping on it subconsciously as soon as you feel that sharp feeling in your foot. Now you're conscious of it, now you can potentially stop the damage, right. But then, if you look at it a different way so let's say sciatic arthritis and your ankle or your knee or your wrist or whatever is swollen and painful the question is, what is that pain? Trying to teach me right?
Speaker 2:And and again, something I've mentioned a few times on the podcast, one again, one of my favorite books is called the gift of pain and it's about. It's about an uh, an english doctor, I think. I don't think he's, I think he's, I think he's long gone, but he worked predominantly in leprosy colonies. Now, people with leprosy, they lose feeling, so they can't feel pain. And there's one story that I've told many times. I'm going to say that again. He once visited a leprosy colony that he used to work at and all the patients saw him arrive. So they all went running out to greet him because they were all excited to see him. And he said he was looking at one boy running. He said all of a sudden his gait changed and he was running really awkwardly and he thought that's strange, what's going on there. And when he looked this, this boy's foot had completely dislocated and he was running on his tibia. Oh yeah, right. So the foot had gone completely and he's running on his tibia and he didn't stop running because he can't feel pain, right.
Speaker 2:And in the book they talk about they often lose fingers because they might be standing next to a fire and they can't feel it. So, you know, they just completely burn their fingers away, right. So when you, when you think of pain in that way, pain is a blessing, right, and, as I said, it's a messenger. It's trying to tell you something. So the question is, if you have something like cyrhotic arthritis, you need to ask yourself what is my body trying to tell me? And it either takes.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you know, you, you did pretty much your own research really to find out what, what, what your message was. But you know, for anyone listening that might be in a similar situation. You've got I think you've got two choices is do what phil did and do his own. Do your own research. That could take some time maybe. Or you could go to someone like phil who can speed up the process, right, because you've been there and you've done that. But I do think it's a very important concept, the concept of the pain teacher. And in modern day Western world, particularly when you go and see the medical doctor, it's all get rid of pain, get rid of pain, get rid of pain at any cost, right? So don't listen to the pain teacher, just get rid of the pain, rather than what's the cause of this pain, what's it trying to tell you? What's it trying to tell you? What's it trying to teach you? So you mentioned you tried dietary. At first you almost went more vegetarian, slash vegan. That didn't work. Was there any other things that you tried that didn't work?
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Speaker 1:I tried, every herb and sort of supplement and everything under the sun. Nothing worked. Um, there were there a bunch of things that that did work. Uh, well, not a bunch. But you know, cold thermogenesis was quite amazing to get rid of, um, uh, sort of acute inflammation, if you like. Yeah, um, cold plunging, cold baths, cold showers, rolling around in the snow. I got obsessed with it one winter and I got really, really adapted to the cold. Even though I was very skinny and I loved it. I got fascinated with it.
Speaker 1:Um, liver flushing worked. Now that's a bit woo woo and a lot of people think it's nuts and I think if you go fully carnivore, as long as you don't have any existing liver or gallbladder blockages or issues, then that's all you need. Uh, but? But, however weird some people say, uh, liver flushing is it? It definitely did work. You know, from andreas maritz's book, the amazing liver and gallbladder flush I adapted for carnivore because I believe that you know he's, he was into the whole plant-based thing and, honestly, brilliant as he was, that's probably what killed him, at 57 years old, I think. But you know, the liver flushing cow, I've seen it really uh be very effective, particularly for skin issues because when the skin yeah, the skin being like the 30 detox organ of the body after the liver and the lungs.
Speaker 1:A lot of times, if the liver's backed up, it can show in the skin. And so, yeah, I found that it does seem to do what it says. But do you need that kind of onslaught with Epsom salts and olive oil and God knows what you know, and then what we call arsmageddon on the day after? When you have to stay by a toilet. I tell you what.
Speaker 1:You do not go out on liver flush morning, you know um yeah, it's chaos and and so, yeah, but it does do some amazing things. I've done about 60 of them now, I think, but I mean that's over 10 years and I hardly do them anymore. I might do one or two a year sometimes, yeah, if I feel like it at the turn of the season, if I think I might have backed up the liver with anything. You know, I don't know, but not really now, but that, I think, is a very useful protocol. Yeah, the fasting was very useful, but again, if you're eating the right things, you don't really need to fast. You just eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full.
Speaker 1:And I only eat like probably three times every two days. I mean, what do we now? I do what we're on about five o'clock or something in the afternoon and I I haven't eaten today and I'm not hungry actually yet, but I might eat after this. I might get hungry, I don't know. I've got a another call at seven and so it depends whether the kids get me to cook anything and if I, if they do, I might eat something. But I'm not actually feeling hungry today, but tomorrow I might stuff my face twice. So I don't know. It's rare that I won't eat for a whole day now, but you it's very common I only have one meal, yeah, um, and. And so you know, when you're running on fats and have that much nutrition and no, um, no, no toxins coming in you, you get very good absorption of those nutrients and you don't need to eat very often. So I I guess people would say that I, I intermittently fast now, but I don't think of it like that. I just think it's in between meals when people go oh, I, I intermittent fast 16 hours, like that's not even the start of the fast. That's like you have your, you did dinner slightly early and then get up and have breakfast. That's not a fast, you know. You're asleep for most of it, for god's sake, you know. So a fast to me begins at a night, a day and a night. I think that's about it. But um, yeah, so, um, yeah, I think fasting was good.
Speaker 1:That was something that that I had, but there's, it is really really simple. You know that there are a lot of other things. Like you could take all that. What did I take? You know, I take all this maca powder and reishi, mushrooms and god knows what. You know so many supplements and and I could, I could have bought a really decent car or even a house.
Speaker 1:I don't know with what I've spent on supplements and they're all nonsense. They're all well. Most of them are full of fillers that still keep the gut leaky. You don't need. If you're trying to heal the gut, you don't want any supplements. There are certain uses for some of them at some times, but not when you're healing.
Speaker 1:I think your supplement is liver and other organ meats and maybe oysters, small oily fish. Those are your kind of supplements where you're up in certain other uh nutrients. But you know, supplements, they're also full of deuterium as well. Um, you don't want that in your body too much. That's a big rabbit hole, uh. So yeah, just keep it simple. And when you, when you, when you say this, all you need to do is eat fatty meat, people go you're mad, you know, because it sounds too simple. What they don't realize is that I've studied for 40 years and have to throw out a whole load of old crap to come to that simplicity. I often joke that, you know, during my veggie days, all I needed to do was look at a cave painting. There's the answer, you know. There's one bloke, one spear, one mammoth. You know, there you go, that's what we ate.
Speaker 1:There's no broccoli, there's no quinoa and there's no beyond burgers yeah, so just to recap so fasting, cold baths, cold showers, uh, cutting out plants, anything else, anything else that you definitely definitely getting the light sorted right, you know, so that get out in the morning, get, get the natural light in your eyes to start the whole proper melatonin cortisol cycle and so that you have melatonin to release in the evenings when you cut the light in your house and you don't have sort of, you know, um, those awful led down light is blaring away just awful the kind of lighting that people have in their houses and it totally destroys their circadian rhythm. It just it disrupts you hormonally massively. People go how can it be so important? The whole planet, whatever shape it is, runs on runs on light cycles, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:wherever that light is coming from, yeah, but you know it, presuming there is a sun out there and it's not some plasma projection on a firmament, I like just open to all these things these days we've been lied to about so much. Who knows you know, who knows what it is, but the fact is that whatever produces that light, it changes the seasons. Everything you know, all of nature, responds to the changing of the seasons and and if you've got full but full-on artificial light at night, it's, it's going to mess you about. Look at the rates of breast cancer among women who work nights. You know it's huge and so you can see this and people say, oh, it has, it can't have any effect.
Speaker 1:Well, this is how they get battery chickens to lay all around the clock. You know they keep the strip lights on and and it destroys them, but they they're hormonally disrupted so they'll lay, you know, more than they're supposed to lay, and that's disgraceful. You know people vegans say how cruel we are, but we're more against factory farming than anybody else. I think it's a disgraceful practice and they're doing that kind of thing, which pretty much proves that light is very, very powerful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean our hormonal system is tied into sundown and sunrise. You know you can't debate that, that's just the facts, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you're not sleeping properly, that's the time when you heal, right? If you're not sleeping properly, however good the the input that's coming from food, you're not going to be healing up what you need to heal.
Speaker 2:So sleep is incredibly important yeah, what about um electromagnetic pollution?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, you know, I think that's very important. I'm sitting here next to the phone, I'm sitting here next to the router as well, and the first thing I'll do when I get off this is I'll go outside and ground, because I get up from calls like this or if I've spent too long on the computer or whatever, and and don't feel that great, I can feel it, you know. And and the router always gets turned off at night. Um, we used to hardwire it, but it's very difficult to find ones that you can actually hardwire these days, so it's not so important in the day. Um, I I like to go out and ground at regular intervals during the day, um, when I've been on the computer, uh, but if you, uh, if you turn it off at night, that's most of the good that's done and all sorts of other things around the house. You know, if you can get, I mean people who turn their whole ring main off upstairs, that's, that's great. You know. Emfs, they're, they're huge, they really are, they're, they're a huge disruptor to the mitochondria.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So if, if someone, let's say someone's suffering at the moment with some kind of you know cirrhotic rheumatoid arthritis and they're someone that uses their mobile phone a lot, you know they've always got it near their body, it's always switched on. You know they bring it up to their ear to speak on the phone what would you say to someone in terms of their healing process if they're using a mobile phone in that way? I mean the other one is they you, they leave it on when they're in a car. And and what if they they're commuting into a city on a train with hundreds of people in the carriage, all with their mobile phone on?
Speaker 1:you're in a faraday cage, amplifying it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's you know I? I'd say that as far as reversing something, you're probably not going to notice much if you do that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's, it's, it's been part of the cause. You know, once you're you've got screaming inflammation with psoriatic arthritis or rheumatoid or whatever. You're not going to notice much by changing your bulbs for red and turning your router off at night. I'll be honest, you won't. Yeah, but that's why the diet's so important. That will give you a great difference. But if you do all the other stuff at the same time, then you're cutting out all the things that have contributed to that mitochondrial disruption in the first place. Yeah, so it's important to do it all. You know, you, you, you get it all done and and things work much quicker.
Speaker 1:The power of carnivore diet, though, of a high fat carnivore diet, is that loads of people seem to fix things without doing anything else. It really is that powerful, but you know you're gonna. They say there's that lovely phrase isn't there. You know, trust in god, but I, your camel, you know, do, do as many things as you possibly can, and and you'll heal quicker. Yeah, uh. So, yeah, I, I think that all of it's incredibly important. Do it all. It doesn't take much, you know. It's not like you have to go and live in a cave. There are ways of tricking your body, that you are still in the natural environment, with some very simple changes that don't take up much of your day at all. And and that's it. You know most important things that subtracting things, not adding. I have a an autoimmunity course out there online called the subtraction method, autoimmunity, the subtraction method to get into people's heads that the most important thing is to subtract things, like you were saying earlier on. You know my analogy, for it is that you know if you're sitting on a drawing pin and you're in pain, don't take an aspirin for the pain. Get the fucking pin right. Yeah, yeah, and it's it's so obvious that you take away those things. But it's learning what the things are that are actually disrupting you. And a lot of those things are said to be healthy, like your five a day, your fiber how do you ever have a poo without fiber? You know all of that kind of nonsense when fiber causes all the problems. It's said to cure all of these myths in the diet world. And then and then, all of that kind of nonsense when fiber causes all the problems. It's said to cure all of these myths in the diet world, and then and then all of this technology that we're given that we get addicted to all this artificial blue light.
Speaker 1:There are ways to sort out your phone. You know, put it on airplane mode. If I have it next to the bed, I do, but it's on airplane mode. The screen is deep red, very, very, uh dim. So I can just about see the time and if I want, if I wake up in the night and I I'm awake for a bit, you know I'll stay in bed and I'll click on a podcast or something with a 15 minute timer, and I'm usually asleep before that 15 minutes has come back up. But you know you can use it in ways that are safe. You don't have to give up all the technology, but just don't overdo it. You know, if you're, if you're, if you're there at 10 o'clock at night, one to midnight, one o'clock, whatever it is with you know, playing games or watching netflix or something on a full blue screen, you're going to be in trouble.
Speaker 2:You know your hormonal system is going to be in trouble so I guess the next next thing that we need to cover in a bit more detail. So let me put this to you Someone who's vegetarian, right? They've got cirrhotic arthritis. They cannot even bear the thought of eating something that was alive, right, or I should say running around, because obviously plants are alive. Let's say they came to you with cirrhotic arthritis in a lot of pain. What would be, what would be your advice to someone in that position?
Speaker 1:Um, I I well, what I generally get is people who have already discovered about carnival, so I have that a bit easier. But if somebody did come to me with that and they were still stuck in that idea, I mean I get people who say I can't go fully carnivore, I've got too many cravings, that's just. You know you can, you can help with that, with like EFT and stuff. You know the tapping and whatever, and you can reprogram your beliefs and your. You know pre-programming and stresses and traumas and whatever that have led up to such ridiculous beliefs that our ancestral diet is going to do us some kind of harm, beliefs that our ancestral diet is going to do us some kind of harm, or it's unholy or it's unspiritual, or it's bad for the environment or immoral all these things that people get in their heads. Um, all I can say is that there are an awful lot of people who have been veggie or vegan and they have not been able to bear the thought of eating animals. I was one of them, um, and we've come through that and we've healed and we've ended up enjoying our food more than we ever did. There can be a weird transition phase, but I would say that you will not heal if you carry on eating like that. There's no, there's no way around it. You're not going to heal the gut. If the gut's already leaking, you're still piling in plant toxins. The gut's not going to heal.
Speaker 1:So you know, I'll say, I'll say what anton chafee said when we were, we were in spain and somebody said, well, I can't eat liver, you know I can't. And he just went. I tell you what, grow up. And I loved that and he said it with great compassion. We were there, live. You know, it wasn't a line or anything and the person just laughed. You know, because there's ways around that. You know people who won't take liver and they freeze little bits of it and swallow it like a pill and whatever. But you know, yeah, used to, it's all right, not as good as a fat steak, but it's all right.
Speaker 1:But there's all these levels to things where people have gone oh, I can't eat that. Um, listen, just just grow up seriously, and and it's, it's going to save your life. Look into what we are actually adapted to eat as a species. Look into, uh, all the people who have healed through doing this and the people who failed from not doing that. Um, you are going to need to cut all those plants out of your diet. What is left? What are you going to eat? You know you're not going to become a breatharian. It doesn't work that way. You know. We all go that way. We get really um ill from eating all these grains and pulses and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:And then there's that vegan progression, isn't it? I like to call it end stage veganism, where you end up sort of fasting extensively, you end up doing urine fast, I mean anything like that, and then then finally you figure out you've got to eat some meat and you do it and you heal, and then the vegans go. Oh well, it was only because you fasted for too long and drank your own piss. No, that's the state that you get into when you're at so much desperation that you end up doing those kind of things. That wasn't what caused the problem in the first place. I mean, nobody goes vegan and they go. Oh, do you know what? I think I won't eat for 30 days, but what I will do is drink my own piss. No, that isn't veganism, right? That's desperation, that's absolute desperation. And yeah, just don't try not to get to that stage, you know, I mean you probably eat veggie burgers and stuff.
Speaker 1:If you're, if you're one of those people and and really that's trying to imitate me just believe me that proper burgers taste a lot better and the steak tastes a lot better than uh, than anything, that that you'll have um from the plant kingdom, and and so just you, you're going to have to work with that. You're going to have to really look into it, really understand anthropology. Look at what tribes actually people who really are in touch with nature there are no vegetarian and vegan tribes and they're much more connected to nature and have much more respect for it than than anybody any vegan sitting in a high-rise block of flats eating um beyond burgers. You know they're totally disconnected from nature. Understand that. It is not cruel, it's not unspiritual.
Speaker 1:Look in the text of Ayurveda, you know, and see the things that I missed when I was writing about Ayurveda. You know, in the Charak Samhita, the Bhava Prakash, where they're saying that meat is the most nourishing food for the body, it's a life-giving energy, like nectar, like amrit, you know. And these things are missed by the people who think it's all about eating rice and dal and taking ayurvedic medicines. It's the same kind of thing, really, because they want to push the ayurvedic medicines, which are often full of heavy metals and they're made up with cow shit and all kinds. You know it's.
Speaker 1:It's not really very good stuff. There's some very good theories in it, but in practice now, in the modern version of it, it's it's pretty much rubbish and um, you know, they got the circadian thing together, though I like that. You know they do understand about that, but uh, yeah, I, I think you've got to get out of that. You really have to get out of that and I've seen people do it and it depends how desperate you are. It's the pain teacher again, isn't it? You know, it depends how desperate you are. If you're in screaming pain, it's when vegans go. However sick I was, I'd never eat meat. All right, you just wait. I've seen it happen. When they get that sick, eventually they, they, they eat meat. You know people have come to me for help who have attacked me on my youtube channel. Even some people have sent death threats and stuff. They go crazy, you know vegans. And then after a while, their thyroid's gone wrong, their joints have seized up, their ass has exploded, something's gone wrong.
Speaker 2:You know, the teeth are falling out, something's happened that that wakes them up and they say you know, it's time for a change yeah, I mean, I I do have a lot of sympathy for people that are in that situation and, again, people I know who are vegetarian and they say, oh, I'm an animal lover, I'm an animal lover, I couldn't do it, I couldn't do it. I completely understand that. I completely understand that the other, I guess, group of people that are in a similar situation is people that are following a particular religious belief that they should only eat plant-based foods. Would you approach someone in that situation in a different way, or would it just be exactly the same?
Speaker 1:I would say that we've been led into a lot of tremendously harmful things by religion and spirituality, and I think it's very disrespectful to all of our ancestors, who have all eaten a very heavily meat-based diet, to say that there was nobody in those tribes or civilizations that was spiritual or civilizations that were spiritual. There was nobody. Who you know, these great shamans, these wise men, whoever it is, who has seen through that beautiful veil that we are all one, we're all connected. You know that is not dependent on starving yourself. In fact, if you look at the chakra system, if it actually exists, why don't we bolster up the lower chakras too? I mean, when I see people who are veggie and spiritual for many years, they end up very airy, fairy, very weak, uh, very easily upset, as well as their bodies, you know, just giving up. I've lost so many veggie and vegan friends up here to cancer, autoimmunity, whatever, as we hit our 50s, 60s and 70s.
Speaker 1:They're very ill. I have a um I. I think if anybody's, if anybody is thinking like that, I've got three videos on my youtube channel one called carnivore diet and spirituality, one called carnivore diet and a himps a non-violence. But one is a bit longer, it's about 40 minutes I think. But it's a real plea to my friends in the tm movement or anybody else in a spiritual movement and I think it's called diet brain. To my friends in the TM movement or anybody else in the spiritual movement and I think it's called diet brainwashing why spiritual people still get cancer or die of cancer or something like that.
Speaker 1:But I really go into it because I got really upset after a while. I just lost so many and people go oh well, you know, it's the meat that's causing all these modern chronic diseases. No, it isn't. It's all the plant toxins. And any studies done on meat eaters you know they count meat as a bit of pepperoni on the top of a pizza, right? No, no, studies are doing, are being done on people who are actually on their ancestral diet. Yeah, and they blame it on the meat.
Speaker 1:So you go into mcdonald's, right, you got a burger patty then in a bun which is seed or seeds and grains and and all sorts of other additives. You've got the fries, which you know they're glycoalkaloid anyway potatoes, and then it's got a whole load of different ingredients, including being fried in seed oils. You've got your jumbo, coca-cola and whatever, and you're blaming the problems of the modern world on that burger patty. Come on, come on. Yeah, you know it's ridiculous, and and so we've been brainwashed into thinking the meat cause of cancer and causes heart disease and all of that. It doesn't. It's um, you know, ancient foods do not cause modern diseases, that's it yeah, you know it's interesting.
Speaker 2:You mentioned about, you know, people you know who were vegan, vegetarian. You know, losing them to cancer. It was interesting. I had someone on the show I think it was sometime last year and she asked to come on and I thought, wow, she's got quite an inspiring story. She'd been through cancer and I didn't realize this beforehand, but during the show it turns out she'd been a vegetarian, I think for like 20 years and she went down the normal medical route of treatment and I didn't realize she was actually very recently had that treatment and she was trying to lecture me. Now I'm about 10 years older than her.
Speaker 2:She was trying to lecture me that if I don't stop eating red meat I'm going to get cancer and I'm thinking but you know, I've probably been eating it 54, 55 years. At that point I'm perfectly healthy. Yet she'd been vegetarian and got cancer and was telling me that red meat causes cancer. And it's the only time on my podcast that I've actually argued with someone, because I'm not the kind of person to argue with anybody. But when she started saying red meat causes cancer, I just thought, well, hang on a minute, I can't have someone saying that on my podcast and me not, you know, calling it out, right, because, yeah, you know, like you said, all these studies that supposedly show that red meat causes cancer, there's so many confounding factors of all the other stuff that you've mentioned that are probably causing far more of the issue, right?
Speaker 2:So so, yeah, it's interesting one of the things you talk about as well in your book, and this is something, again, I'm really interested in and it forms a part of my work as well. And it's interesting One of the things you talk about as well in your book, and this is something that, again, I'm really interested in and it forms a part of my work as well. You mentioned that the main thing is nutrition, but you also mentioned in your book more the esoterical causes of conditions. Do you want to go into that that? Talk about that a little bit?
Speaker 1:so in your book, you talk about your knee pain particularly yeah, well, I, I don't think, I, I don't think it's even that. That um diet is the main thing. I think the, the sort of subtler things are the main thing. But once it's um, once you're in that trouble, you know it's not going to do much straight away. Uh, there are some people who say that you know they suddenly get remission of everything you know with these various techniques, and maybe some of them do. But again, trusting god would tie up your camel, um, I, I think that, yeah, there are certain books that have been written on it that are very useful, like Louise Hay's you Can Heal your Life. That's an old classic. My favorite is In a Seagull.
Speaker 1:She wrote a book called what's it called? The Secret Language of your Body. Yeah, I've got that. Yeah, and it's a very useful reference book. It's nothing you ever need to read, you know, but if there's something wrong with a certain part of the body, if I do a consult and I I talk to somebody about their sort of emotional issues and whatever, and it's often very much ties in with their physical symptom, very much. You know, knees with me it's difficult, I still have it that. That's why it got so damaged.
Speaker 1:I think, sort of moving forward in your life. I still have that, that aspect. You know, I'm 62 years old and I still have that aspect of um. You know what am I going to do when I grow up? It's becoming a bit more clear now, but they're kind of moving forward in life, trying to do the certain, the things that give me passion, you know, like playing drums, um, being a carnivore influencer, helping people to heal. It's not very financially rewarding. You know, it's very difficult to monetize these things when you can't sell a load of supplements. But when you have integrity, you don't. People don't need those things. Yeah, it's very simple to tell them what to do. And it's funny. I love it when vegans come along and go oh, you're only in it for the money. You've got a book. I mean, what do I earn out of that book? That book, amazed, it still sells, probably by the clickbaity title. It was a kindle bestseller for a little while. Still, I didn't get much from it. Now, on a good month I might get 100 pounds from that book.
Speaker 1:You know that doesn't. That doesn't go very far, right, yeah, and so they. Oh, you're only in it for the money. And so I made this video. You know I'm killing people with my carnivore diet lies. I'm a chill for the meat industry. They say what is this meat industry? Where's my ferrari? Out the back for pushing these lies and killing people? It's funny, you know.
Speaker 1:So that that for me, has been an issue and that moving forward in life, which is generally um associated with the knees, you know, I remember an issue when I wasn't getting on with my mom very difficult and we finally moved out. I was looking after after my dad died. You know we're in the same house and I thought I can still look after if we're not. So we got in two different places. My ankles healed up and they did heal up straight away because that issue was gone and that was with no change in diet and and that was kind of miraculous. And the ankles associated with look for something that you're trying not to run away from. You know, which was an interesting one because I was staying around out of duty and whatever I mean in entire.
Speaker 1:We looked after after that. I didn't abandon her or anything. I put her in a home. I couldn't do that so she was just in a different place. And I mean, even after that, we you can see a video on my youtube channel of her breast cancer reversing on a carnivore diet, you know, with a bit of iodine thrown in as well, and yeah, so I think I think the emotional side of things is very, is very important when I think I think it's a blessing again something like arthritis. That's a very cool ailment because, number one, it's so painful You've got to pay attention to it. Number two, it can hit anywhere and so you can use that as like a roadmap of of your emotions and what needs to be figured out. That it's like a roadmap of of your emotions and what needs to be figured out, and I think that's great because then you know you can take the symptoms right down, so you're no longer at screaming agony. You take the symptoms right down with, um, you know, a good carnivore diet. But then I found that there are certain joints that were affected and are not affected anymore because I've sorted out emotional issues, even if I do eat something wrong and I get a flare of something. Those joints are never involved anymore, which I think is fascinating. Um, but joints that are that do tally with emotional issues or sort of things that I still have to work on and I, I think you know I've I've unwound a load of traumas and emotional issues from looking at things, from having arthritis in various places and then tracing it back, you know, detective style. But yeah, the knee thing is still there, which I think is why I took some damage in the knee, because it's taken me a while.
Speaker 1:My problem is cash flow, money monetizing things, being responsible enough to figure out how to actually get things moving without just answering free messages all day. I get so many free messages, inquiries, stuff on my carnival groups and I do 98. What I do is for free, you know, and I can't stop that. People go. You've got to stop doing that and put it into energies of monetizing things. But then you get a message with somebody in terrible pain. You go no, I've got, you know I can, my heart goes out to them and so I'll figure out a way around that. I think I'm actually quite close, actually, particularly with doing these events. They're starting to make a little bit of money and they're so wonderful to go to. You know they're brilliant events. I think I put on the best events awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2:So just going back to someone, they've got arthritis whether they're vegetarian or omnivore does I guess it doesn't matter, but they come to you. Are there certain things that you might say? Maybe start with this, so it might be right, these are the worst plants, so let's take them out. Or these are maybe you know, if you're not used to eating meat, these might be some of the best things to introduce first, is there is there anything along those lines that you advise people?
Speaker 1:no, what, what I do? It sounds sort of militant, but it's not. It's actually the other way. I just say to people really research and understand what different foods do and and, and then you decide for yourself what's going to fix this. I say that really. You know I think anthony chaffee's right on this that the 95 of the benefits come when you drop the last five percent of the plants, particularly when you're healing up. So it's up to them, you know. They say what about this? And I say well, what about coffee, for example?
Speaker 1:People always say that and I go well, it's up to you, you know, I'll tell you that it is a neurotoxin, it's a very addictive substance that messes about with all kinds of pathways. But you've got, you know, acrylamides in there. You've got. You've got very nasty neurotoxins and it's not the um, the, the benign thing that people think it is. You want to drink coffee? There you go. You, you've been equipped with the knowledge of that. Do you want to try to do it?
Speaker 1:I I say, instead of getting people to give up one thing at a time or whatever, like I did and wasted three years, I say go fully, carnival, high fat, 30 days. You tell me, after those 30 days you're not getting somewhere. And then you know, do what you like, but do what you like in the 30 days. Anyway, I can just give you that, that advice, that the best thing to do is to go totally strict 30 days, actually more like 90. If you are already sick and you have an issue, that's when the magic starts coming in, I think around the sort of three month mark. But then really, you know, go, if you can go symptom free for a few months before you try reintroducing things, one at a time if you want. But then you I do tend to find that people have lost a load of those cravings and they don't want to reintroduce them At the beginning of those 30 days. How can I live without this? How can I live without that? The cravings tend to die down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting, one of the sayings that I use a lot. I learned it from an NLP practitioner many, many years ago and it's that there's no such thing as failure, only feedback. Yeah, right, because again, like, like, pain is a teacher, your symptoms are also a teacher. So if let's say someone went carnivore for 30 days and they noticed that their symptoms were reducing, let's say there's, there's some feedback, right. And then you know, let's say you reintroduce something. Or let's say, I don't know, you went to a wedding at the weekend and you had a normal meal and you had cake and alcohol and you were in pain for the next week. There's your feedback, right. This doesn't mean you failed because you've learned something you know.
Speaker 2:So I often get clients to fill out diet sheets and they have to not just write down what they've eaten but how they've responded to that meal. So in terms of their emotions, their satiety, whether they've got cravings, their energy levels. And it is quite interesting, I kind of I kind of chuckle to myself sometimes because most of the time, most of my clients, it's like they've handed in their homework at school, right, and if all their reactions haven't been ideal, they feel like teacher's going to tell them off, but it's. It's not that kind of relationship. It's an adult to adult relationship. Right, we're equals, we're not, we're not. You know, teacher and student doesn't, doesn't work like that, and all I'm there to do is to help people work out what works for them. Right, which is pretty much what you were saying. Right, you want coffee?
Speaker 1:give people back the power. You know so. So for too long we've been, we've been putting people in white coats on pedestals. You know they're the ones who are going to heal us and and they're not. It's, it's a we. We've got to take back responsibility for our own health in these chronic conditions.
Speaker 1:If you if you've broken your leg and you've got a bone sticking out, then yeah, you need help from somebody. But if you've got rheumatoid arthritis or something, you don't need help from, from any of that medical system, and you need to understand how to do this yourself. So for me, it's I. I send them a load of links, you know I, I like to send them inspiring podcasts. I like, I like to. I think people should all listen to anthony chafee's plants are trying to kill you video, you know. And because some people go oh yeah, yeah, there's plant toxins. They don't really matter, they don't. If you really understand what's in those damn things, you're going to think twice about eating them and to understand that there is everything we need in me. Nothing's going to happen. You're not going to. You're not, you're not going to get backed up. For you know, I've been doing it nine years now and, believe me, I have had a poo in nine years.
Speaker 1:You know people go. How do you do that? Yeah, I have the best digestion and elimination ever. And you know I was on Sean Baker's podcast and we were chatting about this and chatting about poo, as carnivores do quite often, and I said that you know I've got my turds. Could be on the cover of the Bristol Stool.
Speaker 2:Chart. They're perfect.
Speaker 1:I want to wake up the missus and go check it out. Check out this crowd, pleaser. You know I've said this on so many podcasts now, but it does hit home that you know when I used to be veggie and blasting the toilet, you know, six times a day. It's a great relief to actually have proper digestion and predictable elimination now, and when I go out out I don't need to keep looking out for a toilet. You know I I have perfect control over my ass these days and and there's no problem, there's no inflammation, there's no bloating, there's nothing. I mean, a friend of mine said the one bad thing about carnivore is you don't fart anymore, because you know he used to enjoy lighting his farts and stuff like that you don't get that pleasure anymore, so at least that's that's one downside anyway.
Speaker 1:No, isn't that an upside? I mean, I remember far all the time as a vegetarian and that's your gut trying to tell you something initially. Yeah, it's not supposed to happen like that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, there's, there's, uh, you know to to tell people about it, give them the actual knowledge of what's going on and then let them make up their mind, because if you're telling them what to do day to day, they might not understand why. But also, I think support and groups, and often seeing people who are like a month down the line, it's more inspiring than seeing somebody like me who's nine years down the line. Yeah right, so I do a group zoom thing. I've got one this evening, you know, actually in a in a little while.
Speaker 1:Um, this is my call this evening, if I can get on it, if I can figure out how to use zoom on the damn phone, because the computer's blown up. I just started enjoying this chat and forgot that my computer's blown up anyway, if I get on that call, but to to have group support, you know, once a week or whatever, because people ask questions. You well, how am I going to talk about this every week with people? But the same questions come up, or weird questions, or questions that didn't quite get in the first time.
Speaker 1:You know, and let them ask the questions, let them be inspired about people, from people who are a month or two down the line, or six months down the line, and see what's happened, because I don't remember some of the things that happened in the first month or two you know it was a long time ago. And then you see the typical things that happen, like in the transition phase, where people think they're bunged up or they might get the runs for a bit, they might get an electrolyte issue, they might have an oxalate dumping thing going on, you know, to get people over those initial teething problems which can set them back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know they go. Oh, my god, I got terrible palpitations. The carnivore diet is evil. I had to give it up and go back to carbs. Now I'm all right again, you know.
Speaker 1:No, the body has been damaged for so long and it's got protective systems in place, like in the microbiome. If you like to protect you against the things you're eating, people go. We need a very diverse microbiome. No, you don't. You need a diverse microbiome to protect you against the crap that you were eating before.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean to say you need to eat more things. You just need to get rid of those defense systems. If it's not raining, you don't need a raincoat, it's. It's the same with the gut. Nobody understands the microbiome. If they say they do, they're lying and so you know. It's to get people to understand these things and and and get rid of all the brainwashing that's happened, and then they can start to see the clear way forward without having any doubts. Because if you're looking at all these diet gurus, there's so much conflicting information isn't there? There's so much out there that confuses people. I remember it. But then I say to people I'll tell you what, just study anthropology, study, plant toxins and study, study, deuterium. And then you tell me what you should eat, ignore the diet gurus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's interesting talking about bowel movements. You know it's a very important subject when it comes to health and for the first 30 years of my life I have shared this before in a podcast, but I'm going to say it again I had a bowel movement every day. But let's just say it was hard to pass. It took about half an hour and if anyone followed me into the toilet they would need a machete to get through the atmosphere and I didn't know any difference. So I thought that was normal, right, so I I would. I would say that I ate a standard english diet, right, so you know rubbish. I mean, there was some good stuff in there, but there was some rubbish as well.
Speaker 2:Right then, in the year 2000, I completely switched my diet. I probably went to somewhere between 80% to 90% animal-based, about 10% to 20% plant-based. Literally within 24 hours, my bowel movements changed like that. They were easy to pass, they didn't smell, they weren't dark in color, ie they weren't toxic. It's been that way ever since. What would most people say? Oh, if you don't get enough vegetables, you'll be constipated. Well, actually, when I cut down my vegetables, my bowel movements improved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's that study out there, isn't there on PubMed you can look it up. Stopping or reducing dietary fiber reverses constipation or something idiopathic constipation. They had um 64 people, I think it was, and they took all the fiber out their diet, constipated people and they say but they probably thought they were going to kill them or they're going to blow up or something. But uh, it wasn't like a small result, like a few people were better or whatever. They were all loads better. Some completely reversed it. You know they were all tons better and the sort of embarrassed summary at the end said um, you know, we're going to have to completely re-evaluate the role of fiber in the diet and that's a study that all we carnivores like to point people to, because I think it's the only one that's actually been done on it by something. It's something that we all know.
Speaker 1:You know, digestion and elimination becomes very, very easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting. So my only experience I've ever had of being a vegetarian was on a 10-day Vipassana meditation retreat. Right, and my only experience was in 10 days I lost eight kilos and my tummy was about five inches bigger than when I went in and um at the on the final day because during, for those who don't know, it's a silent retreat, so you can't speak. For 10 days. The males and females are split as well, so you're not even in the same vicinity. And then on the final day, before you go home, they allow you to to mingle and to talk and they you're allowed to mix between male and female.
Speaker 2:And I remember I was talking to the two ladies and I said I couldn't believe it. Like when I went into the toilets every time it sounded like an umpire band was playing, right, it was horrendous. I'd never heard anything like it. And, without being too graphical, the toilet bowls were disgusting. When, if you followed someone in there and the smell was horrendous and these two women went yep, same in the women's, I was like, wow, you know it was. It was just incredible it was funny.
Speaker 1:We had this, uh, this retreat recently and then there was pics of it coming up. People were sharing it all over social media because it was so great and and a couple of trolls came up underneath. You know, the vegans find it and they go. Oh god, I'd hate to have been in a toilet after that on a carnival conference and I thought you have no idea, guys, it's just completely the opposite.
Speaker 2:It's so funny yeah, interesting, phil, this has been great. Talking to you. I know you've got, you've got something else coming up, so I'm not going to keep you too much longer, but I just want to just reiterate you know this book. I know it hasn't made you a millionaire, but, um, I know only too well you don't make a lot of money from books. Um, but I do. I really highly recommend anyone who is suffering from any kind of arthritis or even any kind of autoimmune condition highly highly recommend anyone who is suffering from any kind of arthritis or even any kind of autoimmune condition highly highly recommend that book. It's, it's really, really great and it's quite a. It's quite an entertaining read as well. I I really enjoyed reading it. So, um, before we wrap up, have you got any any wise, wise words for the audience? You know, and?
Speaker 1:not really Just take back your own power with health really, and have confidence that you don't have to go through some kind of university course to be a serious expert in this field. It's just getting rid of the beliefs that you've been given and have a really open mind, because you're going to find out that a lot of the things that you thought were true are just nonsense. I love one of my favorite quotes is from Ram Tsu, who was a that's his kind of spiritually name. He was sort of a non-dual teacher but I loved it on his talks and he used to put up, you know, if he was doing a talk, bring me your dearest held beliefs and with any luck you'll leave without them. And I loved that. And I think have that kind of an open mind when it comes to diet, because look at, look at the let this sink in. Right, pfizer have been going for 140 years. Is it something ridiculous like that? They have never cured a single disease. If you let that really sink in, walk away from the medical system.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm really sad today because there's a friend of mine and he's in trouble and he's been pulled into the medical system because of cancer and it's it's pretty serious at the moment. And then I saw that he'd been, he'd been going for radiotherapy and I said I'm heartbroken and and you know, I I really tried and I I don't normally get any situations, but it was just before this call, actually just before this call, and he sent me a message. He's really upset with me, he really is. I've really upset him. I've I've, you know, and and I thought I might, and and it's very difficult with cancer because they put the fear-mongering into you, but I see him going down the tubes and I thought my message might well upset him. Um, and I'm very sad and I have, and he probably will never speak to me again and it's very sad.
Speaker 1:But you know, you've got to try sometimes You've got to know when to pull away. And it was actually my message saying I'm pulling away. I really tried, I'm here, but I am heartbroken. You've done that and you know I could have put you in touch with the best people in the world. And it's a sad one because it was right before this call, doing that and fighting with the computer and doing that at the same time. In fact that was the last message I sent on the computer as it blew up. It froze in the middle of a message. Tim and I had to carry it on the phone and it was fun. That was weird, actually thinking about that. Why was that? That's interesting. I get my woo-woo hat on and think about that. But it was um, yeah, it's sad sometimes you get, then you have to let go and people get very upset with you, particularly when it comes to cancer.
Speaker 1:But I think you just need to have a really open mind and just see the results. Be realistic about the results these people are having, these, the medical systems having and and. Walk away. If you've got rheumatoid arthritis or whatever, you're in pain. You are not going to die tomorrow. Right, you have time to figure this out. Don't let them freak you out about you're going to get joint damage if you don't take our pills and whatever. All this kind of crap. Walk away, take your time, compose yourself. You've made some mistakes in the past but you're going to come through it even better. You know you're going to come out the other side and that is a different message than than the medical system give you. If it's all doom and gloom, it's incurable. Diet doesn't work. You've got to take our pills. That's going to depress anybody.
Speaker 1:I like it when people come on a consult with me and they come on and they're miserable and they go away smiling and we're laughing by the end of the consult and they've got hope, they've got positivity, because that's what you need and and you know, look at, look at all the other healing stories out there and understand how powerful this is. You know, for all the people that complain and say this is dangerous, this is whatever. Look at all the carnival vids out there. Now my channel, ken carnival lee's channel, your channel, I mean anybody's uh, anthony's and and sean's and and ken berries, you know. Look. Look at the comments underneath before people go and say you know, it amazes me that people go in and attack now because there's hundreds, hundreds of healing stories under each video, every video, and they go in going this is disgusting, meat's going to kill you.
Speaker 1:Look, please wake up. Look at all those other things. Are all these bots? Are they all lying? No, they're not. This is the truth coming out. So get confidence. All those other things are all these bots? Are they all lying, are they? No, they're not. This is the truth coming out. So get confidence. That's what I'd say.
Speaker 2:Confidence is the most important thing and and get support I know there was a study a while back and it showed that people were uh, not, they were less so. They were given a choice of change your diet and live, or keep your current diet and die, and most people chose to keep their current diet. Yeah, right, which you know. I guess you could also say, potentially, that's the same with people's beliefs as well. Right, people would rather keep their belief and die than change their belief and live a healthy, happy, long life yeah, well, every um, every disease is curable, just not every patient yeah, yeah, no, it depends on your attitude, your commitment, how strong the pain teacher is.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. What's next for you, Phil?
Speaker 1:Well, I want to get my Red Pill Buddhist podcast up and running again, because I let that slide for a bit. We've got our Spain conference coming up next year, which is going to sell out pretty quick Carnivorespaincom. Check it out it's. The speakers are amazing. We've got anthony chafee, we've got sophia clements from paleo medicina, we've got um mary ruddick, who travels around all the indigenous tribes. We've got dr sarah pew on all the quantum stuff, who is just. I love sarah, she's wonderful. And we've got uh, we got Sean Baker now as well, so we've got almost a full house. And we've got Richard Smith, who is amazing, from the UK Keto Pro. He's coming back to talk again, but anyway, it's just hanging out in paradise for a while. I love doing these events. We've got one coming up in Lancashire in August as well our Ancestral Health Festival.
Speaker 2:I'm normally there in August.
Speaker 1:Excellent in august as well, our ancestral health festival. I'm normally there in august, excellent. Well, come along, man, okay. Well, I also do the music. You know we got the daz band playing. We'll have other music there, so it's a whole thing. You know, cooking all the food on the on the um fire pits outside and whatever, and we got natural movement stuff, breast work, all kinds of things going on at that one Very informal, lots of fun, camping, whatever, more of a festival vibe and, yeah, doing that, all kinds of other stuff.
Speaker 1:We've got loads and loads of plans. But if anybody wants to keep up with that, I would say please, just, you know, put my name into Substack or whatever. That's where I use it as a mailing list and keep updated on all the events that we've got going on. I got philascottcom and whatever for booking consults or my link tree or sub stack, but you put me in and find the sub stack, sign up for free and I don't spam anybody. I don't do too much, but you get updated on everything and there's some nice stuff in there and I'll be running a podcast through there as well soon and I'm'm gonna have to get you on there as well. Lee, I want to hear more.
Speaker 2:Yeah absolutely, absolutely, yeah, definitely, um, and obviously they can get your book from all the major online bookstores well, it's just on the the evil um new world order, amazon at the moment.
Speaker 1:But uh, yeah, it's there and it's, you know, available in kindle or in print, but it is on amazon and uh yeah, hope you enjoy it great, excellent.
Speaker 2:Phil, thank you so much for your time. Um, I've really enjoyed talking to you. I've enjoyed talking to you just as much as I'd read in your book. So, uh, yeah, thanks again for your time I've enjoyed it too.
Speaker 1:Thank you, lee. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my pleasure so that's all from phil, and for this week, but don't forget to join me same time, same place next week on the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for tuning in, remember to give the show a rating and a review and I'll see you next time.
