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Radical Health Rebel
134 - Brain-Gut Connection: Unraveling Limbic Impairment Syndrome with Courtney Jacobs
Welcome to the latest episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast!
In this fascinating conversation, I sit down with Courtney Jacobs to delve into the profound connection between the brain, nervous system, and gut health.
We explore how imbalances in the brain and nervous system can impact the gut, potentially leading to significant health challenges. Courtney shares her expertise and practical strategies for addressing these issues holistically.
Stay tuned for a deep dive into how supporting the brain and nervous system can transform your gut health and overall well-being.
We discussed:
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The Gut-Brain Connection in Health
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Healing the Gut Through Brain Training
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Limbic System Healing Chronic Illness
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Healing Strategies and Overcoming Rigidness
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Transforming Lives Through Limbic Healing
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The Role of Toxins and Stress
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I started to get sick with gastro issues and I was an athlete at the time and so one day I would go out the door and run eight miles and have an amazing run, and the next day I literally wouldn't be able to walk up the stairs and I was like something is happening to my body. I started bruising everywhere. I started. My belly would get seven, eight months pregnant, like not a little distended. The entire thing would swell.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandon. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed. And it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show. In this week's fascinating conversation, I sit down with Courtney Jacobs to delve into the profound connection between the brain, nervous system and gut health. We explore how imbalances in the brain and nervous system can impact the gut, potentially leading to significant health challenges. Courtney shares her expertise and practical strategies for addressing these issues holistically. Stay tuned for a deep dive into how supporting the brain and nervous system can transform your gut health and overall well-being. Courtney Jacobs, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great to have you here and to get the show on the road. Courtney, would you mind giving the audience an overview of your background, including your own health challenges and also your professional background as well?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. I'm a functional nutritionist. I help people put chronic health conditions into remission. I came to this field because I got chronically sick and I was sick for eight years and Western medicine was not able to help me. I had four conditions that I was told would be lifelong. Their option was medication, and when that didn't work, they had more medication and let's see. Then, once I got into remission, I don't have any of those conditions anymore, which is a miracle.
Speaker 1:I flew myself around. I'm in the United States. I flew myself around the country to natural practitioners who helped bring my body into remission Through that process. When that happened, I was doing incessant research and what I realized is most conditions you can put into remission but doctors literally don't know how. Now I'm not saying doctors are not a good solution, because there are a lot of good ones, but to find somebody who can actually find the root of what's causing your symptom or condition and address that and actually get the body to work properly is a miracle. So when that happened, I knew I had to give this gift to the world. So that's how I ended up in this field. Then, much of what we're going to be talking about today is limbic system impairment.
Speaker 1:And what that looked like in my process is. I was going through the natural health world and I made it to about 60% remission. I went through functional nutrition school I was, so I was fully educated in it and at 60% I actually thought I was there. I called that like almost remission and what I realized is I had a band-aid diet that eliminated symptoms, but I felt like I had to hop on one leg and twist the plate like this and if I wore blue and I didn't do anything different, my symptoms would be down, but if anything was off, I could have symptoms, and at that time I had insane amount of food intolerances still. So when I was very sick, I got down to about six foods. I could only eat about six foods.
Speaker 1:When I was at 60% remission, I still couldn't tolerate a supplement, so I had violent responses to supplements, like just, for example, I ended up in the ER from vitamin D, but I was functioning and I was working and I was living and I had my life back. And I would tell you because of my functional training, that because of oxalates and because of lectins and here's what's going on here and here are the reasons why my body is in this state and I was actually doing really well, I was thriving. I had moved to a part of the country where it has winter and half the year is gray and for three years in a row I had seasonal depression and I was. It was doing really well in the summer and I was rolling into fall and I thought there has to be a natural solution to not dumping this winter. What can I do to not dump this winter? So I found a holistic psychiatrist who was in a different state and I sent her my book of paperwork.
Speaker 1:And at the time I had still food intolerances. I couldn't tolerate supplements, I had light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, um, and a whole host of other symptoms that I can get into. So I went to her to not get seasonal depression. I was like what can I do? And she read my case and she said you have limbic system impairment. And I said what is that? She said your brain is stuck in a state of fight or flight, constantly releasing cortisol, adrenaline, norepinephrine. So even though you're on the perfect diet, the tight junctions of your gut literally cannot seal because you're in fight or flight. As soon as she said I'm in fight or flight, I was like, oh yeah, I totally am.
Speaker 1:And then I got exposed to limbic work and what happened from that point was literally unbelievable. If you would have given me money and said I'll bet you this much money that your body's going to make it all the way to remission and you're not going to do anything different, but limbic work like brain retraining, I told you that's physically not possible because I'd already been to school Like I could tell you the things that were the matter with my brain. But I jumped into limbic work and so that's what we talked about today is how that how limbic system impairment was actually impeding my gut's ability to heal, and find that this is the case in my practice with on a 70 of the people that come. There's some form of limbic system impairment going on interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the first thing is you know what you said at the beginning about you know you're going to see doctors and they're not really looking to treat the root cause. They're looking to treat the symptom is something that I've heard from people coming to me time after time after time after time. And it's a bit different in the UK. So to be a doctor in the UK either means you're a medical doctor or you've got a PhD. No one else is considered a doctor. I know it's a bit different in the US. You've got a doctor of naturopathy or osteopathy or nutrition or whatever, but it's a bit different in the UK. So when we talk about doctors, we're talking medical doctors.
Speaker 2:But yeah, the amount of times I've had someone come to me and they say I've got this problem and the doctor's told me there's absolutely nothing you can do to overcome it. Do you think you can help? And you know, every time I say something similar, I say look, what I can help you do is optimize your health, and my belief is health and disease can't live in the same body, right? So you know lots of people might, might, contact me and say, oh, have you helped someone with this before? Right, and a lot of the time the answer is no. But does that mean I can help them or not? Well again, if I know how to get people healthy right, then generally the condition no longer exists. So that's the first thing I wanted to say. The other thing if you're comfortable, could you share because you mentioned autoimmunity could you maybe share what autoimmune conditions you did have?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so I didn't have autoimmunity myself.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right. I reacted to all autoimmune foods. My body reacted in an autoimmune way. So microneedling if you get microneedling to the skin and you have an autoimmune condition, you get scarring all over your face. I got that.
Speaker 1:I had severe gastrointestinal issues. I had SIBO, sifo, I had mold toxicity, so mold was a part of my perfect storm. So how I got sick was I was going through a divorce, I was marathon training, running a business and went through oh and lived in a place with mold. So the stress combined with the mold and I now know that I'm gene positive for SIRS chronic inflammatory response syndrome so my body couldn't process the mitotoxins well, I started to get sick with gastro issues and I was an athlete at the time and so one day I would go out the door and run eight miles and have an amazing run and the next day I literally wouldn't be able to walk up the stairs and I was like something is happening to my body.
Speaker 1:I started bruising everywhere. I started my belly would get seven, eight months pregnant, not a little distended, the entire thing would swell. I went to the GI and this was years ago and I started doing research and I said I think I have this thing called leaky gut and he said that's actually a theory, it's not a real thing, and everybody gets gas and bloating and I was like I don't think you understand.
Speaker 1:I don't think you understand what's happening to me. So it started with food intolerances and fatigue issues and then I got tinnitus, joint pain. I started getting histamine issues. I started reacting to lectins, oxalates, salicylates. I had incontinence, like constant urinary issues. A lot of mine presented with mental health issues, anxiety, depression, panic attacks and as in the beginning it was so overwhelming the emotional stuff. But then as I started to study and research, I realized it wasn't me, it was my body, and so that gave me a little bit of space from the mental health conditions. But the mental health stuff was horrific.
Speaker 1:I would say I would say to watch your brain and body be hijacked. I got migraines and then the food intolerances. There was a point where I started reacting to water. I remember I went to I was out in a public place once and I reacted to water and then I just like started sobbing because it's like I can't even have water. Like how am I going to live in this world? I started to get light and sound sensitivity. I started to become sensitive to things around me so I couldn't wear earrings anymore. My world just kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Basically, my entire system was becoming hypersensitive to everything. And these things happened at different points in the journey and it almost is. I should actually sit and write a list.
Speaker 1:It's hard for me to remember all of the little things. A lot of times I don't even remember some of the symptoms till I'm sitting with a client and they're like oh, I have this crazy thing happening and I think, oh, I literally went through that. I know about that, you're not crazy, but I don't even remember. Because once you get well and I love what you said about when you bring health to a body there cannot be disease.
Speaker 1:I see that for myself in my practice and then, once there is health, these things seem a world away, like a movie, and so if there's anybody who's really struggling in their body, there is so much hope that I always repeated the mantra in my head others recover, so can I. Because what I felt like is my condition was so much worse than everybody else's because they couldn't get a one autoimmune diagnosis or they couldn't get like nobody could actually pinpoint why my body was breaking down. So I had a story that mine was so much worse than other people. I would go to doctors or practitioners and they would just look at me like I don, I, I don't know, you know. And that was scary, but I just kept writing. If others recover, so can I if others recover, so can I.
Speaker 1:And um, yeah, it did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something that, um, you mentioned. You went to see some or you worked with someone in a different state. Wasn't Colorado, by any chance, was it? No, okay, it's just. I heard a few people on the podcast from Colorado that do something similar from what you were describing and I just wondered if it might be one of those guys. But no, it wasn't Okay, awesome. So, apart from all those symptoms, you were fine, right yeah, yeah I mean that's, that's a long list.
Speaker 2:That's a long list of of symptoms that you had. I know you said they kind of might have happened at different times but, um, yeah, I mean I've had a few clients that have had a list like that but in the last 28 years probably one or two that have had a symptom list that kind of is as long as yours, so that's pretty significant. You've mentioned a little bit about limbic impairment syndrome and how that affects the tight junctions in the gut lining. Is there any other ways in which limbic system impairment syndrome affects gut health?
Speaker 2:When 35-year-old Amanda first scheduled to see me, she'd been suffering for 19 years from severe IBS, diarrhea and fecal incontinence, along with abdominal pain and bloating. Her condition had not only made life uncomfortable for Amanda but very inconvenient, as she had to walk two hours to work every day along a route that had public toilets and she'd never been on holiday as an adult because of her condition. The only advice that several doctors and specialists had given Amanda was to take Imodium, and when she first first saw me, she was taking five Imodium a day and wasn't getting any better. To help Amanda, I ran tests to find out what foods were right for her metabolic type, to see which foods she was sensitive to and to assess her gut microbiome Tests showed that Amanda had several food sensitivities and a parasite infection.
Speaker 2:Over the coming weeks I coached Amanda to eat right of her type and to replace the food she was sensitive to and a protocol to deal with her parasite infection. And after three months Amanda was IBS free and she also reported her skin was much improved and she had lost weight. And she booked a holiday for her and her husband to New York, as they'd never been on a proper honeymoon because of her IBS. And if you're suffering like Amanda was and you want to get to the root cause of your problem, you can arrange a consultation with me at wwwbodycheckcouk and if we're a good fit, I could help you achieve the same kind of results as Amanda. Now back to the podcast. Now back to the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So if anybody's been doing all of the right things, if you are on a good gut healing protocol I know that is, um, that's tricky in and of itself, cause I've had many people come to me from a gut healing protocol but they weren't actually on something strong enough to help them. And a little bit of how I practice now is I used to work with 40 different diets and what that means is each body is bio-individual and each condition needs different set of help and support. I used to start with smaller routes to roam, easier routes to roam. I've found over the last five to eight years people are getting sicker than they were before, and so I literally say we're doing the gut healing protocol on steroids, like we are just going all to the wall because I want to pull out anything that could be affecting the gut. So when you start hearing about limbic system impairment and if anybody feels that their body's in fight or flight, the more they start researching it they'll think this is me, oh yes. And then if you look into a lot of limbic programs, they will say you actually don't need to worry about healing the gut because once your brain's online, the gut will heal, and I actually don't find that to be the case. That could possibly be the case if somebody's body is just starting the process of breaking down. What I found to fully bring somebody's body into a remission state is you have to work on gut healing, detoxing hormones, lifestyle stress and the brain. So you write sleep circadian rhythm, like you have to look at their entire picture and when you put all of these pieces together you get exactly what you talked about health, where disease can't live.
Speaker 1:So how does limbic system impairment affect the gut? This part of the brain in the front is our neocortex. This is our rational thinking part of the brain. Many people who have limbic system impairment had stressful childhoods, childhood trauma. They had possibly been through a trauma. Some of them their chronic health condition has been the traumatic experience. Mold can flip the brain into limbic system impairment. A virus like Lyme or other viruses can flip the brain. So okay. So what's going on? Our limbic system is our brainstem. That's right here. This is our neocortex. Right here, this is our calm thinking brain. It's literally offline. So the only thing running the show is the limbic system. So it's constant fight or flight. That cortisol, adrenaline, norepinephrine causes systemic inflammation. So the body's not in a place that it can heal. Those stress chemicals affect our microbiota so we can't really build a robust microbiome.
Speaker 1:How I work on gut healing protocols is a lot of times practitioners try to go in and either just kill off what's there. So I had SIBO. And it was years ago when SIBO was just starting, and there's a SIBO clinic in Portland, oregon that Alison Seebecker has and she's very well known and I was like I'm going to the best right, and I went and while they helped me there was constant killing, like killing protocols of herbals and different things and it just kept reoccurring, kept reoccurring, kept reoccurring. Well, what was going on? Why would this not go away six years later? Right, I was doing all of the things that they said. So one of the reasons why it was not coming back is that my ecosystem was not strong enough to keep it at bay. Part of the reason for that was limbic system impairment. So at the very end so I had reoccurring SIBO. I was sick for eight years. I had reoccurring SIBO for six years. At the end the only thing I changed was limbic system impairment and re-inoculating my gut. My body kicked SIBO out on its own. Now, if somebody has a very active SIBO situation going on, you might need to knock it down with herbals. So I'm not saying you can just go brain or train and kick out high, high levels of SIBO. What I'm saying is if the brain is offline and you are flooded with stress chemicals, you can't rebuild your ecosystem to a proper way to actually keep it robust, to keep that SIBO gone right or SIFO either. It's the same situation. So that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 1:Um, when you start brainer training, there are many, many, many different things. In the beginning I start with top-down training, that's, from the brain down to the body, because the brain is in such fight or flight. When I was sick I started studying and researching and thank God I did right Because I figured out what I had, things that were going on with my body when doctors didn't know. But it had become my hobby, it had become my obsession, right, and I didn't think it was a negative thing. I actually enjoyed learning about it. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that my incessant researching was actually making me sicker. So when I started limbic system training, they said you are not allowed to research or talk about your condition anymore and I thought, uh, okay, um, and at the time it, I will tell you it sounded like woo. And at the time, I will tell you, it sounded like woo-woo, like it sounded totally crazy. And I can remember I hired a coach and I, like, went into this program and I told my best friend and my mom I said what do I have to lose? No-transcript practitioners made me worse because I reacted to everything they would try and then their supplement would send me, you know, would not work. And so I thought, well, at least this can't hurt me. And so I jumped into the practice and they said, okay, you can't research or talk about your condition. And when that happened I thought, well, yeah, I probably obsess about this too much. I realized my entire day was spent thinking about my health symptoms, scanning my body, worrying about what would happen. I mean, I was scared, I was. I couldn't wear earrings, I was reacting to the world, I couldn't eat cauliflower, I was scared. And so I had crazy histamine issues. My whole face would get red and my ears would get red and it was like how do you not see this stuff happening? And I had heavy depression. And they said you have to think greater than you feel right now. And so the limbic system is like a spotlight. Whatever you put it on, it grows In the brain. It grows and overdevelops. So here's an example One of the ladies who I learned from she got sick from multiple.
Speaker 1:She had multiple chemical sensitivity. So I started getting. I was sensitive to chemicals too. Um, she had moved into an office and on the backside of that office wall was a chemical. They were housing chemicals. She didn't know. And over the course of a couple of years she started to get sicker and sicker, and sicker. She then figured out it was chemicals. She then started researching, right, and she realized oh my gosh, these chemicals are so dangerous, this is so bad. So then she started to get hypervigilant. Right, walking into houses is there a candle? Do they have Febreze? What is going on in here? And then she started learning about foods and she started getting food intolerances. And then she was worried about different foods and you can't have this and you can't have that. And she started to become hypervigilant.
Speaker 1:They do brain scans. So there are some people that have multiple chemical sensitivity where, if they walk in the door of a department store and there is detergent on the other side of the store. They will have a convulsion just from being that far away from it. So what happened to that person? How are they reacting to inert substance that far away?
Speaker 1:When they do brain scans of these babes who are so hyperreactive to chemical, the part of the brain that is associated with smell has overdeveloped Over years or a short period of time of them being hypervigilant and thinking so. The limbic system, whatever it focuses on it, grows. So one of the things with limbic system impairment is we overdevelop parts of our brain associated with our conditions that we have right. So in the beginning, to nip those neural networks of these overdeveloped parts, you have to take the limbic system and start flashing it on other things your life, joy, what makes you happy I'm talking about your health, not symptom scanning. So that's part of it.
Speaker 1:Then part of the practice is you sit in an elevated state for 60 minutes a day. 40 to 60 minutes a day. In that state you teach your brain to release dopamine, serotonin and oxytocin. Those are feel-good chemicals but they're also anti-inflammatory. They can help unflip genes for chronic illness that have flipped. In that period of 40 to 60 minutes you're teaching the neocortex to hold down.
Speaker 1:So many people with chronic illness know that they are very sensitive to things. And for me, I just thought I don't have a lot of bandwidth. I've been super sensitive my whole life. I thought I was an HSP, a highly sensitive person. I learned about HSPs. I learned about what is the word. I don't even call, oh, an empath. I don't even call myself empath anymore. So I'm an empath and I have all. And the more I learned about it, the more the sensitivity overgrew in me, the more the empath stuff of me taking on other people's emotions. I just thought that that's who Courtney was. I had no idea that that was limbic system impairment. If you think of a situation let's think of a house that's going to burn down, right. Well, this is like of trauma. So I also had a ton of past trauma and trauma is anything from big things or little things. I had a bunch of small T trauma and I was.
Speaker 1:I did like 20 years of trauma work and therapy and workshops and I taught trauma release and did all of these things helping clients process trauma and on my own I it felt like an onion. It was like another layer, another layer. It was like okay, and I was never like thriving but because I was doing work, the work, I felt like I was making progress. And at the time they told me I couldn't do trauma work. And I was working with this guy and I found I had a past eating disorder which was part of limbic system impairment. But I had found a way to process my emotions and I would cry and journal. And I said to him, I said they said for six months I shouldn't do trauma work and I'm scared. This is how I cope now, you know. And he said, listen, what do you have to lose? Just do it and then in six months come back, we'll finish the work that we're doing. And I thought, okay, so I stopped because, well, I stopped. Here's the cool thing I never had to go back. I literally never had to go back.
Speaker 1:So these traumas in my brain. So here's what I'm going to explain. The house that's on fire, where I was starting. Let's say, two people are upstairs in a bedroom and a house catches on fire and the door slams shut and they have to like really wrestle to get out and it's scary. Right, there's smoke, the house is burning down. They rush out and they make it out of the house. Two people, same trauma situation. One ends up with complex PTSD and the other doesn't.
Speaker 1:What happened? It's typically the brain that has limbic system impairment or is stuck in a state of fight or flight, can't process that situation response happening to it, because my brain is online, my neocortex is online. Now, that was a side benefit that I didn't even know could happen. It wasn't even trying to happen. I was just trying to get rid of the seasonal depression and then I really wanted to go after the food intolerances. After they told me I could get my food intolerances back Cause I couldn't figure out, I just sort of thought remission was better. Right, I didn't. I didn't realize I could. I mean, I have a full cabinet of supplements. Now I can eat anything but gluten or eggs, which is a miracle to me. Yeah, so that's some more of how it helped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what was it? I can't remember the name. You said the thing that you spend 60 minutes every day, kind of like in a positive frame of mind. What did you call that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's a limbic practice that is spent 60 minutes of the day. It is you sit in an elevated state and it's a practice where you teach your brain to release the dopamine, serotonin and oxytocin. You're also teaching the brain to sit still in this period of time. It's happened for me.
Speaker 1:I see this. I've not seen this not work for anybody in that their whole life lights up. The amount of joy that comes is unbelievable. And some people say to me this sounds almost too good to be true. Does this not work for some people? And I say yep, it doesn't work for a lot of people and they like, look at me and I say, because they don't do it, they don't do it. They hear it and they learn about it, but they don't actually apply it. And when you apply it, your whole life changes. So your whole life changes and your body can get to remission. So these anti-inflammatory cascaded chemicals start coming down. Your body actually starts to get into a state where it can detox, where it can heal and repair, where you are entering the parasympathetic for the first time, often in a long time. So I would work with my limbic coach and she would say well, when you kick into adrenaline and I didn't even know what that meant, cause like I would be calm and then I would be revved, calm and revved. And then it wasn't until I started doing limbic work that I kicked out of adrenaline one day. And then I kicked back in and I thought one day, and then I kicked back in and I thought, oh my gosh, like I'm actually never getting calm. I didn't know it, I didn't know that, like my, my base level, what I thought was calm, was still revved. And it wasn't until I could get my brain out of fight or flight that I dropped down and I was like, wow, like how many years have I been like that?
Speaker 1:When you talk about gut healing specifically? So it's not just the limbic work or the one-hour practice. There are practices that you do throughout the day to reframe the mind, uh, focus on different things, step away from the story of chronic illness. So there are practices that you do all day and then, once you do top down, so getting the brain out of fight or flight you then work body up. So some limbic programs only work body up somatic and some only work top down, brain down. We do both and there's something called cell danger response. Our cells and our mind have coded in them these stories and our brain from traumatic experiences or fear. Our body can actually be in fear of fight or flight and we don't know why, and so we do somatic practices to get the body out of fight or flight.
Speaker 1:When you're talking about gut health specifically, you think the gastrointestinal tract is a tract right, and inside there's villi and it's like a beautiful coral reef. On top of the villi are these things called enterovites. They have little hairs. That's what houses a healthy microbiome is all of these villi and enterobites. When we have chronic illness they're typically like nubs right.
Speaker 1:So I had been on a gut healing protocol, doing the right diet, but my villi couldn't actually grow back because my ecosystem was still such a mess from the stress chemicals. Just by getting my body out of the stress, my diet was able to do what it needed to do, because prior to that my efforts were almost to no avail. Well, no, half, I mean. I made it, I healed, but I wasn't recovering all of the way, and typically if somebody is stuck in their healing journey there's something else going on, and limbic work for many people is the last piece of the puzzle that gets their body the rest of the way, because it's typically something they hear about further along in the journey. And what I want to say is limbic work was the thing that took my body the rest of the way. But typically when people work with multiple practitioners over the course of years, they eventually run across a supplement or a thing and they say, oh, it was this supplement, it was limbic system impairment it was. This is what fixed me, right? Well, not really, it was the hundred other things you had done, and then that was your puzzle piece that made everything else come together. But it's a huge puzzle piece that can help with dysautonomia, that helps with autoimmune conditions.
Speaker 1:Sers and mold is known to have a ton of limbic system impairment, just as the mold can really affect the brain, your gastrointestinal issues, if there is so. Like Gabor Mate talks about trauma causing chronic illness. Well, when he talks about it in his books, it's like this concept, right, trauma is linked to people with chronic illness. Well, is linked to people with chronic illness? Well, limbic system impairment is the medical reasons why that happens. Right, it's not because you had a traumatic experience happen to you that now you're more likely to have autoimmune disease or gastrointestinal issues. It is that it has put your brain in a state of fight or flight which now for years has led your body to be susceptible.
Speaker 1:So, like some people who are vaccine injured or have had severe reactions to viruses that their body should have been able to handle, and like mine, the mold exposure had I not had limbic system impairment. That limbic system impairment was just weakening my system. I was on high alert, so I was in a fragile state, but I had no idea. I was an athlete, I was young. So then when that mold came in, or when somebody's vaccine comes in or virus or whatever goes on, and sometimes they don't know what the thing is. When there's limbic system impairment, what I believe it does is all of that chronic stress has weakened the system, so like that's the tipping point. So I believe limbic system impairment was at the root of everything, because my body was at a weaker state when I was exposed to the things yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean that's often called allostatic load, isn't it? It's like your body can cope with so much, but when it gets to a point there's a breaking point. The straw breaks the camel's back, so to speak. At some point, it makes complete sense. And what you were saying was when someone finally gets resolution to their problem and they might think, oh, it was this supplement or it was this diet or whatever. Well, yeah, they were part of it, but it was everything else that you did as well. And when you were saying that, it reminds me.
Speaker 2:So I work a lot with people with skin issues, particularly acne, and it's amazing how many people I hear say, oh, I tried, that it didn't work right. And it's like if you do one thing, it's almost definitely not going to work right. And I know you know working with lots of different conditions, but particularly with skin issues as well. It's a process and you got it. You got to go through a number of things, you know, and for some people they can change their diet and their skin gets better, right, but for some people they might have to do a lot of other things right before before they get better, but they had to do all of those things. It wasn't. There wasn't one of those things that you know got them back to health. It was all of the things. So that you know that. That completely, you know, I completely agree with that. What would you? I know you've mentioned all of your symptoms and there was a lot of them. What would you say are perhaps some of the more common symptoms when someone has limbic system impairment?
Speaker 1:Yeah, something else that I want to say before I answer, that is you said I want to respond to. When you said, they said oh, I've tried that before. So what happened with my limbic work is much of the stuff that got my body. The rest of the way to remission was supplements and healing strategies that I had implemented years before and could not tolerate, and so I had a story that those things didn't work, but my body wasn't in a place where they could actually work.
Speaker 1:And so for people to be open-minded with exactly what you said, that when there's a whole thing going on, some of the things that could have possibly actually been harmful in the past can be beneficial I'm not suggesting anybody go do something that harmed them, but to be open-minded that just because a certain supplement did something in the past, it doesn't mean that when the body is more robust, that that actually can't be a true healing agent. So I think we become really rigid when we get scared and have chronic illness. At least I know I did. I was scared of so many things and scared of the symptoms that I was very closed-minded to anything that was like anything that had hurt me, and it was actually me becoming open-minded to those things again and getting my body to a more stable place that I was able to flourish using those practices or foods or supplements or detox protocols. So I agree with you 100%.
Speaker 2:That actually reminds me of a client I've worked with for a number of years, on and off, and I remember she had a quite severe reaction to ashwagandha right and I was quite surprised. I thought, wow, I've never heard of anyone having a reaction to it. Of course, anyone can react to anything, right. And as you were speaking then I was kind of thinking, oh, you know, I wonder if that is one of those situations you're talking about, that you know, perhaps if she has that condition and she deals with it at some point in the future and had a what I would call violent reaction to it and then, as I started limbic system work, they brought that herb back in because I didn't want to have seasonal depression that year.
Speaker 1:I didn't have seasonal depression that year and I have not had it since. St John's Wort is very calming for the gut lining, the nervous system and the gut lining. It helps us with serotonin. It is a wonderful healing herb for certain people. I'm not suggesting everybody go take this, especially it's not appropriate if you're on an SSRI. But all I wanted to say with that is I had a violent response to an herb and years later it was one of the most powerful soothing, healing things that helped me pull out of a really dark hole. So yeah, that's true. So your question about limbic system impairment remind me yeah.
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Speaker 1:Toxicity, lyme, multiple chemical sensitivity. So if you start getting sensitive to food intolerances is a huge issue with limbic system impairment. C-ball, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, c-fo, small intestinal fungal overgrowth is huge. Dysautonomia anything under that blanket, pots, pandas the nervous system conditions are very linked to nervous system work. Autoimmunity is a huge piece of it. Joint pain a big, big sign, telltale sign is light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, hypervigilance.
Speaker 1:If somebody is the person like, if there's a loud sound and they're the one that jumps, that's because the brain's in fight or flight. Depression, anxiety, add, adhd are all symptoms of it. Bloating regular GI stuff, because if the brain is in fight or flight it is 100% affecting the gastrointestinal tract. And nine times out of 10, sometimes I can just see the client on the camera and they're like I have this thing and I say are you in fight or flight? They're like no way. And I'm like okay, they're so scared I can see it. But nine times out of 10, when somebody has it and they start hearing this, they're like that's me, they just know. And so for me it was a relief because when they started saying this I was like yeah, for sure If somebody is reacting to EMF.
Speaker 1:So at the end I started reacting to EMF. And when I started not being able to wear earrings and reacting to the EMF, I had a stationary bike and I had a Bluetooth and I would get on the bike and my whole nervous system would be like and I was like that bike is, I'm not okay after I get on that bike. And then I started getting that when I started reacting to the world, you know I was like this is scary, but not everybody makes it that far Right. But if you started reacting to the world, you know I was like this is scary, but not everybody makes it that far right. But if you are reacting to inert substances, things in your environment, it's often limbic system impairment is a part of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, part of it, yeah, yeah. So I'm just thinking in terms of, let's say, someone is listening or watching this and they're thinking that's me, that's me, that's me right, and it's interesting. When you're speaking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of certain people that I know and I'm thinking, yeah, that's probably them, that's probably them, and I think if I listen, and I think if I listened to this, they'd probably go. Yeah, it is me as well. Um, what would it? What was what? So, say some say, for instance, someone contacts you and they say look, I heard you on the radical health rebel podcast. What's the process like? What? What does the process look like for someone that was? You know, we're going to come and see you. I guess you know you can do remote sessions as well, online yeah.
Speaker 1:So when people come to see me, they either come for nutrition and limbic work or they straight for limbic work. How it works is you come with an intake and then we go through your health history and then, basically, when you start limbic work, your whole world is going to change. A lot of times marriages have been impacted from chronic illness. Because the chronic illness becomes this thing in between right, because they're talking about it it can affect families. Many people have lost their joy. They are just sort of lost in the chronic health. So we do the intake and then we start moving them back into their life. They go through a set of modules that teaches them all about top-down limbic work, about how to get their brain out of fight or flight, how to change their thought patterns, how to start interacting with family. They have a conversation with their family. Hey, we just started working with Final Key, and so my company name is Final Key, and what that is is they. You are your final key, like it's never a practitioner or a book or a product. It is you learning the right tools and implementing them. So you are your final key and you have a conversation with your family. Hey, I have this whole new thing and we are no longer going to talk about my health symptoms and typically the family is totally on board because they're like they're tired, right, and yeah, they go through modules where they learn about top-down and they start the practices and then, once the brain is out of fight or flight, we start learning the somatic practices and getting the vagus nerve online. So our vagus nerve is our longest nerve in the body. It affects our ability to get into the parasympathetic and then we start working on let's say, there's medical appointments that cause stress or trauma, or a family member that cause stress or trauma, or a family member that causes stress or trauma. How do we teach? We do incremental training, so we teach the body. So, like, let's say, mother-in-law is a major stressor, and you end up like after we teach the body how to be calm on the other side of mother-in-law's visit or the doctor's visit, and then what happens is we start working on certain stressful situations, teaching the limbic system how to stay calm on either side. What you're doing is starting to build the muscle of the limbic system.
Speaker 1:So the goal isn't to just be in the parasympathetic, right. It's not that no situation stresses us any longer. It's that when you are in limbic system impairment the brain doesn't know how to kick out of fight or flight. And what a healthy limbic system, what a healthy nervous system, does is it can kick from the parasympathetic to fight or flight back and forth. And that's what we want. We want it to be able to kick out.
Speaker 1:The reason why they had told me I can't do trauma work at that time is because my brain was stuck over here in fight or flight. So a healthy person can go into a therapy session or go into a trauma session and process that and then drive home and they just sort of process it and then by the evening their brain probably has kicked out of it to process it and then by the evening their brain probably has kicked out of it. When you have limbic system impairment you are so far this way that any trauma, any stress, including reading about symptoms that a supplement could have it, keeps it stuck over here. And so for a period of time we have to teach it to go over here to the common safety, and then we work on teaching it to be robust, because we want a robust limbic system.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, it's interesting, it reminds me as well. Um, again, someone I know and it's something I've been very aware of over a number of years, but every time you're with them, they mention their condition, probably every 10 minutes and it will be oh, because I've got this. It's like an excuse and I just think you're not doing yourself any good. You're constantly reminding yourself of this issue that you've got. Yeah, it's an issue and it's it's a serious issue, but you're not doing yourself any favors constantly reminding yourself of it. You know, and it's a serious issue, but you're not doing yourself any favors constantly reminding yourself of it. You know and it's not my place to say that, but you know, it does make me feel quite sad for that person that they're just. Their life almost revolves around it, you know, and all you're doing is you're just perpetuating the problem.
Speaker 1:Perpetuating strengthening neural networks like not just a story of you carrying this story around is negative. The more you talk about it, the more you think about it that you are building a neural network, strengthening that. So the brain is just used to going down there and you're literally creating a trap for yourself. In a medical way it's not just like, oh, the story doesn't feel good to you, the repeated patterns of it. And here's the thing oh, that is so wonderful about limbic work. Anything about you that you do not like right now is not you. That could be how you respond to stimuli. That could be a preference that you have. That could be anything about you that is not working. You can change. The brain is an organ that is meant to be rewired. It can't not, but rewire itself. And so when I was going through limbic work, my company colors are blue and I chose them because, growing up, I grew up in a house where my mom said I hate blue, I hate the color blue, I hate people decorating kitchens in blue and I hate blue, blue, blue. So I hated blue, I disliked the color blue. I did not like blue clothes, I didn't like blue decorations, I didn't like blue cars. I didn't like blue, and that was just Courtney, right, this is like a preference, it's who I am. I don't like blue. And so I in my limbic training I started visualizing this beautiful bedspread with purple and blue flowers and I would see it and I would say, oh, I love the blue, and my brain would say, no, I don't Right. And I did it for six months and I was just doing it as like a joke, kind of just to see what was possible. And then one day I was walking through a store and I saw a blue shirt and my mind said I like that shirt. And I was like whoa really. And so blue is one of my favorite colors now. And it didn't happen by me saying oh, I like blue, because when I said that initially my brain said no, I don't Like. It was who I was, it was repeated pattern behavior. But with new repeated pattern action you can wire in new neural networks where now I prefer blue and that means anything about you that you don't like is possible to change. Like that's when I really grasped. All things are possible. We are not stuck, our brain is not fixed. So while limbic system impairment helps the body get to remission, we also work with your marriage. Possibly you've shut down your sexuality. Possibly you're not in a job that brings you joy, possibly, and we start building new neural networks and bringing the brain back alive and I see people's whole lives light up. And then when we start walking you back towards joy and your marriage is doing well, or you move into a job that you like, or you start looking for work because you've not been working, because you're chronic illness, that all contributes to well.
Speaker 1:Health is stepping back into who you are, and a lot of that is getting the body out of fight or flight so that you can actually self-actualize all of the things. If you think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, at the very bottom rung is health shelter, safety needs. At the very bottom rung is health shelter, safety. So when you are stuck in fear of your health, you are stuck in the bottom rung. You actually can't fully self-actualize. I'm not suggesting that nobody can, but it's got to be blocking you on some level. So when you create safety here and you meet all of the needs here, even before you fully hit remission right, you meet all of these needs.
Speaker 1:I watch people's whole lives light up and that's what happened for me too, so I would have said I'm somebody who doesn't have a lot of bandwidth. I have a lot of bandwidth now. I have wired in a state of positivity Now. I used to wake up in the morning and my brain had doom and fear. I wake up in the morning and my brain says good morning, beautiful. Now I have not surpassed the human experience. I still experience hurt and pain and stuff, but it's not as engulfing and when it comes I can hold it and it moves through me. Instead of being this heavy lingering, I feel like a normal human that can process things appropriately. I feel less fragile and then a really, really, really the most wonderful thing Well, I don't know how to say wonderful, because I couldn't eat food before so like being able to function and my body is healthy and strong. I just hiked the Grand Canyon. If anybody knows what that is, I went rim to rim to rim to rim. I did 42 miles of one of the hardest hikes in the United States in 36 hours. So my body is strong and can move again. The fatigue is a thing of the past for me. So all of those things are a miracle.
Speaker 1:The biggest miracle is through childhood stress, I did not have a good relationship with my mom in that it was hard for me to be in the same room as her. I was constantly triggered. I did an insane amount of therapy and different techniques trying to heal that relationship. I can be around my mama now. I took her to Iceland to see the Northern Lights and we got to live her bucket list thing and I stood there and experienced this with her and, just like the overwhelming gratitude I had for my healing journey because had I never accidentally got exposed to limbic work, I don't think I would have been able to share this beautiful experience with my mom, I don't think I would be able to share these years with her. And here's the thing my mom didn't change my limbic system. My brain can handle being around her and it's not that I conceptually change things, it's my nervous system is different and so, yeah, I mean that's. That in of itself is priceless.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how long have you been doing limbic work?
Speaker 1:Five years.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It takes between six months and three years for somebody to fully rewire their limbic system Typically, say, six months to get buy-in. Now I see a lot of people come in and they get within six weeks. People notice a difference. They notice sensitivities are coming down, their emotional state is changing. So it creates buy-in, which is great. And then you need a longer period of time. So I've had a handful of people that come in in three months and they're like I'm great, I can drive the car now, I can leave the house, I feel great. And then they disappear and they come back a year later and they're not well and what happened is the brain will kick out and people will start getting symptom relief, but it's not actually fully rewired yet. It's like a new babe right. It takes time and tons of repetition to strengthen all those new neural networks, to actually fully get the body into remission. So it's a process that takes time, but it is so worth it so worth it?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, I was. I was just interested in um. You know, obviously the last five years has been well planet fear, hasn't it? You know one thing after another, all these invisible global disasters, right that they keep making up, that everyone has to be scared of and sadly, there are a lot of people that fall for all these propaganda campaigns, whether it's the climate scam or the next germ that has never been found that's going to kill us all. Or right now, as we speak, the UK is bombing Russia at the moment. So the threat of World War III. You know, whatever you know. I was just curious as to you know whether and I guess if you've only been doing it five years, you won't really have seen the difference but whether there's a difference in terms of I would imagine there's a lot more people in the world today that actually need limbic work compared to five, six years ago.
Speaker 1:I 100% agree with you and I think it's a combination of a lot of things. Number one I felt really bad saying this during 2020. So during COVID, I was maybe a year or a year and a half into limbic work. I watched everybody around me melt down and 2020 was one of the best years of my life and I kept. I kept like I would feel bad to say that to somebody, right, and it was just that my, my nervous system was able to stay stable during a lot of chaos. I do notice more more very predominant limbic system impairment. I think part of that is constant media and propaganda.
Speaker 1:And when I mean constant. Let's say, 20 years ago we would sit in front of our television until 9 pm right, Our people would. I don't own a TV here, but and then they would go to bed and they would go to work. It is now on our phones, coming in at us all day, constant, Like the amount of stimulation and stress coming in, and not even stress when you think of a TikTok. If you think of 60 seconds of a TikTok video, the bits and music and talking and all of the things. There's more bits of information for somebody to process in 60 seconds than they would see in a field over 60 minutes, over 60 minutes, right Just out in nature. And so there's so much stimulation, text messages, emails and then much of it is stress and fear and propaganda and the world is going to end and you're going to get so sick from this next virus. So that's part of it.
Speaker 1:I also think our world is becoming increasingly toxic, and I don't say that in a fear way. So I used to have food fear as I was healing. I had such fear if I ate something that was off. So I'm not saying this to create fear, but it is a reality that more toxins are in our food, more toxins are in our environment, so the body's exposed to a heavier load of stuff. We have electromagnetic fields that are putting stressors on the body, so I think our environment is getting more toxic. Our microbiomes are not as robust as they used to be, so they can protect us from less.
Speaker 1:And then the constant stressors. So when you start limbic work you take yourself away from all of those stressors so that the brain can actually heal and what happens is the first week or so people are. I was overwhelmed when I stopped because I thought I don't even know what to think about. Like I didn't even know what to think, Like my brain only knew how to stress about health or something. And then I had to reteach the brain how to think of daily life and spirituality and my friends and my relationships and my career and being peaceful or gardening. So I think it's a combination of all of the things happening that is exacerbating this limbic system impairment, but I see it getting worse and more people having it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I know in the UK the largest or the most common cause of death for males under the age of 45 is suicide, right, which, again, I would imagine has got something to do with what we're discussing today, right, yeah, I first met Amelia at a health club where I was hosting an event offering back screenings to the members. The first thing I noticed about Amelia was a dullness in her eyes, which I later realized was due to extreme pain, and I noticed that she was unable to turn her head and had to turn her whole body if she wanted to look in a different direction. Amelia informed me that she had a history of repeated shoulder and neck pain for the last two years and was diagnosed with spinal stenosis at C45, c56 and C67, and a stenosis is a blockage which, in Amelia's case, was in the spinal canal of her neck, irritating her spinal cord. She had extreme tenderness over her neck and trapezius muscles on both sides, and she suffered from severe neck pain continuously. Amelia informed me that she'd been advised that spinal surgery was the only option, but the surgery came with great risks, including potential paralysis and no guarantee of success, which made Amelia fearful of the surgery. In addition to this.
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Speaker 1:I feel always careful when I say this because whenever I say things, anything I've said here is not medical advice. I'm not a doctor, I'm not prescribing anything. This is what I know from my own personal experience and from research, understanding that all mental health conditions, symptoms, are symptoms of the body, meaning depression, anxiety, bipolar schizophrenia is a symptom of the body, much like acne, which you're talking about, or a headache. I had anxiety, I had panic attack disorder. I had depression. I was diagnosed with severe depression and I had two different psychiatrists tell me I was bipolar. They offered me a host of medications. They told me my brain did not make the right neurotransmitters, that I had chemical imbalances in my brain. None of those drugs helped me flourish. They often cause side effects and then I would be given another one to try to mitigate that side effect.
Speaker 1:Through a long period of my illness, and before mostly during my illness, I would pray to God at night not to wake up, like I just didn't want to do it again. And that was really real for in waves for a lot of years. And what I think is the most sad for me about hearing what you just said about the suicide is that is literally a product of their body not being well, because once my body came into balance, I don't have any of those mental health conditions that I was told would be lifelong. I laid in bed for years, not wanting to wake up in the morning, and that didn't have to be the case Nobody.
Speaker 1:So if you talk about gut health, 80 to 90% of our neurotransmitters are made in our gut. If your gut's a mess, of course your brain's not working. You're in fight or flight and you have omega-3, 6 fatty acid imbalance and you have inflammatory foods coming in. And if you have a leaky gut and foods are getting out into your bloodstream, you have systemic inflammation. If you're waking up with stiff and achy muscles in the morning, you have systemic inflammation. That means your brain's inflamed, literally can't work right. But once I mean, I've had schizophrenic clients who the refrigerator's talking to them, right, we bring their body into the balance, the refrigerator stops talking, and so what makes me sad is those suicides are preventable, that's preventable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting as well. You know Dr Bradley Nelson who developed the emotion code. He suggests that 80-90% of all illness is emotional in nature or causative emotionally. I know Bill Walcott who wrote the metabolic timing diet. You know he suggests that with cancers because he works with people with cancer quite extensively back in the 60s and 70s. You know he told me once that. You know he believes that all cancers have an emotional component. And, interestingly, another guest has been on the show a couple of times paul linda. He suggests that every cancer is actually causative from an emotional or trauma. Right, so it's quite interesting that there's a lot of people that kind of suggest that there's a very strong causative effect of emotions or trauma or the lack of being able to react in the right way, from trauma that can go on to cause almost any kind of disease. So you know, to me it sounds like the work that you're doing, you know, is very much needed in the world today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. It is a very strong road to Rome. What I invite people to do is I always say have a red flag out If you hear any practitioner or any modality say this is the way, without this you won't recover, or this is what you have to do, because I don't think that's the case. What I know is if you have limbic system impairment, it would be advantageous to get the brain out of fight or flight. I have a road to Rome that works for a lot, a lot, a lot of people and I think the most important part is I read this book called how Healing Works and nobody has to read it, but it was a great book and they did research. What they were researching is allopathy, homeopathy, acupuncture five different types of treatment, and they would take the same condition, let's say, a bum knee or a heart condition or whatever, and it was actually only like 15 to 20% about the actual modality. The most large factor, whether that worked or not, is if you believed in your practitioner, believed it, and if they believed in you. That affected the course of treatment working more than anything else. So we know placebo works and what I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that limbic work is placebo. What I'm saying is there will be a subset of people that hear what I'm saying, just like I heard it, and they were like that's me, that's me. And then when you go down this road, there's a hundred percent chance your needle will move right and if it's not in alignment, you may hear some of this and think, okay, but maybe this is a piece to my puzzle and I want us to all find places and homes that feel right, that resonate right, because I see the most amount of healing and recovery when we land at a place for healing that feels right. So if you're with a practitioner that you're like, oh, like it's not fully in alignment, I would have you find somebody that feels right to your soul, because I think that impacts our healing, healing process. No, I know it does yeah, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2:So what would you? What would you say to someone if they were a bit skeptical or hesitant about trying limbic system training?
Speaker 1:yeah, great question, um, if they were a bit skeptical, one, if you wanted to reach out, I can have you. Talk to any of the people that have been through it, because they are rave, rave reviewers. But if you wouldn't be open-minded and think of it the way I thought of it is, I see I was the person that said I've already tried everything right, it can't hurt. Everything right, it can't hurt. It literally cannot hurt you. It can only make everything better and it can get you to a place where you can actually take on some of the other stuff. So to just be open-minded and think, what do I have to lose? I literally have nothing to lose. My mood can go up, my quality of life can go up and I can actually.
Speaker 1:Typically, if somebody's listening to your show, they probably know I'm going to assume your listeners listen to a lot of your stuff and are very educated. They know that the body has an innate capacity to heal. All we're going to do with limbic work is get your body to a place that it can actually do that right, because limbic system impairment will block the innate ability to heal or to detox. So, yeah, I would say it's 100% worth just trying.
Speaker 2:Mm. Yeah, awesome, awesome. So what's next for you, courtney?
Speaker 1:What's next for me? Well, I feel so blessed in that when I started my practice, when you change somebody's life, they tell like when you reverse their ulcerative, no, no. When you have tools that helps them reverse their ulcerative colitis, or if they have alopecia and they haven't had hair in 20 years and their hair starts growing, or their rheumatoid arthritis, they were bed bound and now they can walk the dog. Or if you have somebody with dysautonomia who's been bed bound for two years and they're now taking their kid to the park, they tell everybody they know. And so my practice got very, very big and I was bogged down with hours, and so some of the people that I helped to recover have been to school and I'm training them so that we can. Well, I already have three of them that are already working so that we can help impact more people.
Speaker 1:Now we're just getting the message out about limbic system impairment, because it's not super readily available. Once you hear about it, you can find it, but for me it took me six years down the road till I even heard about it, and, if I'm totally honest, when I was very first sick, somebody had said to me hey, I heard in this practice and if you do this an hour a day, you know I think it could help you. And I thought no way, Like I'm going to find a doctor and there's a pill and I'm going to get better, and then, like six, eight years later you're like okay, I'll try it. You know I'm down to try anything. And so now it's to get the word out about limbic system impairment and help more bodies come to remission with a whole concept, Because I think what happens is they either go to a nutritionist or a limbic practitioner and they don't have somebody looking at their whole picture. That's what we like to offer yeah, great, great.
Speaker 2:And where can people find you online?
Speaker 1:yeah, so they can find me at the website at finalkeywellnesscom. They can email me at courtney at finalkeywellnesscom. They can email me at Courtney at finalkeywellnesscom, and Instagram is at finalkeywellnesscom. The Instagram isn't just based on limbic work, but there's a lot of limbic information at the website.
Speaker 2:Awesome, great stuff, courtney. Thank you so much. I've really enjoyed this conversation and thanks so much for your time and for sharing your wisdom today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for having me and thank you for all the good you're spreading in the world. It's wonderful.
Speaker 2:Thank you. So that's all from Courtney and me for this week, but don't forget to join me same time, same place next week on the Radical Health Rebel Podcast. Thanks for tuning in, Remember to give the show a rating and a review and I'll see you next time.
