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135 - Metabolic Health, Pandemic Truths & The Hidden Powers with Ivor Cummins
In the latest episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, I sit down with Ivor Cummins, a Biochemical Engineer and Complex Problem-Solving Specialist renowned for his evidence-based insights and speaking truth during the events of 2020.
Together, we delve into the crucial topic of metabolic health, dissect the pandemic response, and explore the fascinating question of who truly wields power in our world.
This eye-opening conversation challenges conventional narratives and offers profound insights into health and society.
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Metabolic Health and Nutrition Insights
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Controversies in Health and Nutrition
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What's going on. So he did a PhD on it and the simple fact is it was identified in the 50s by Rockefeller as one key strategy to achieve a Western world government. They listed out climate change, pandemics. Were discussed, of course, macro terrorism and financial crashes, financial issues, macroeconomic so they basically listed out the four best shots at getting people scared enough and stupid enough to buy into what they wanted.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems. Even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed, and it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show, what I do and why we have this show. In this episode, I sit down with Ivor Cummins, a biochemical engineer and complex problem-solving specialist renowned for his evidence-based insights and speaking truth during the events of 2020. Together, we delve into the crucial topic of metabolic health, dissect the pandemic response and explore the fascinating question of who truly wields power in our world. Stay tuned for this eye-opening conversation that challenges conventional narratives and offers profound insights into health and society.
Speaker 2:Ivor Cummings, welcome to the Radical Health Ripple podcast that's coming on the show. No problem, lee, great to be here. Yes, great to have you on and to kick things off. You know, for any listeners who may not know who you are. Can you share a little bit about yourself, including, kind of, where you grew up, your academic and professional background?
Speaker 1:Right, I grew up in Dublin, ireland. The primary thing with me was technical. I was always highly technical. You know building bicycles when I was a teenager, you know crafting stocks for shotguns. I just self-taught myself everything. But then I did biochemical engineering in UCD in 1990. I graduated, went straight into corporate, pretty hardcore roles and I quickly became a kind of problem solving specialist. So all branches of science didn't matter, anything technical. I would use all the tools of problem solving structured and intuitive, to solve major issues. So I spent nearly 30 years of that. I did 15 years of management of large engineering teams, but often the corporation would bring me back on my tools, so to speak, and I'd have to get a temporary manager while I directly led large worldwide teams on particularly big issues that were proving extremely expensive. So that was my whole history.
Speaker 1:And 10 years ago I got into metabolic health. I had some blood tests that were poor. I got into metabolic health. I had some blood tests that were poor. Three doctors in succession, including a professor of medicine I went to to get the answers on how serious and what are the root causes, got nothing, almost Realized there was something huge to be discovered. Went straight to ResearchGate, pubmed Hundreds of papers. Later on the blood markers that I had very high and I discovered insulin resistance. I got deep into cholesterol and the lipoproteins. I realized we've been bamboozled for a half century and most of what we're told is nonsense and lost a massive load of weight in nine weeks, got all my bloods exquisite, and then I began to lecture and then I got into that whole field.
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting you say that because that was the first actual subject I was going to ask you about. It was about metabolic health and and kind of how you went down that route. So what were some of the things that you did, or I changed, in order to achieve the results that you achieved?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I discovered without question in my mind from all of the science. Now, at least half of the science is heavily biased and I was discovering that as I went along. I mean, the abstract would claim something like cholesterol is a problem, but when you go deep into their data or the supplementary data tables I found very useful. No one looks at them. And I pulled all the data and properly analyzed that I realized this was all a narrative. It's a political thing.
Speaker 1:So the key thing I discovered was I had insulin resistance, which I had not heard about before. I'd heard about fat being bad, cholesterol being bad, of course, all my life, but I never heard about this thing. So I realized I had metabolic syndrome and I realized that elimination largely of carbohydrate was the fastest route to fixing the metabolic issue, which it turned out to be. As I mentioned, my bloods became exquisitely good from very, very bad and I lost a load of weight that I wasn't even intending. Weight loss was not a target, but when you fix a fundamental root cause to a problem, often all bolts rise.
Speaker 1:So I found all these other benefits mental acuity. I could fast and skip meals with impunity. My sleep improved. I dramatically changed in appearance, everything got amazing. So I knew I was correct and the key thing I did, as I say, was just drop the potatoes, the rice, the starches and I ate meat, fish and eggs overwhelmingly and some vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, low starch vegetables. That's all I did. So I didn't increase my exercise, I didn't lower my wine intake. I specifically only changed nutrition. And well, I described what happened yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:I I chuckled to myself a little bit then because you said you stopped eating potatoes and I've. I've taught in ireland a few times and it's, it's quite funny. So I have nicked potatoes for I don't know 25, 30 years and everywhere I go, you know I go out. You know if I'm staying in a hotel or if I go to a restaurant for something to eat, you know I might order a steak and on the menu it comes with potato, right, and I say I don't want any potato, can I just have a salad with the steak? And they're like, yeah, okay, no problem. And it comes out and it's either got chips or French fries or mashed potato or jacket potato. You know I didn't ask for the potato and I went. Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, we forgot. And it's almost like a religion, isn't it? In Ireland? You know you have potatoes with practically everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's historical, it's ancestral and you know what, for kind of semi-starving Irish working every hour, god gave them to survive, kind of semi-starving Irish working every hour, god gave them to survive. You can use potatoes as an energy source, along with, you know, rabbits or meat or fish or true nutrient-dense foods, and you'll be fine. But in a modern kind of middle-aged, kind of slightly diabetic population, potatoes just make no sense. It's as simple as that. Now I occasionally have some potato myself and Gabor Doshi of metabolicduocom. We run a kind of metabolic health service to subscribers.
Speaker 1:But Gabor did a deep dive and there are hacks. We don't recommend them really because once you start cheating it's hard to stop. But you can eat the potatoes or rice at the end of your meal and eat the meat, fish or eggs first and that will greatly reduce the glucose and insulin provocation of those foods. So Gabor treats his little bit of rice or potato or the carbs as kind of a dessert as part of the meal and just eats them in the latter half of the meal. So there are various hacks, but yeah, if you have any trace of blood work problems it just makes no sense yeah, again, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've ever heard of metabolic typing. Yeah, so I mean, again, I've been doing that for about 20 years and I find that, you know, I've had lots of irish clients, obviously, clients from the uk, different parts of europe, and they all come out as what we call fast oxidizers, or I'll say, all of them, that's not true, most of them which is pretty much the diet that you just described, right, and and like yourself I know I changed, I changed my diet around the year 2000 to similar to what you just mentioned and it was, you know, it was life-changing for me. I wasn't in a bad way, to be honest, I wasn't in a bad way, um, but I didn't have to eat constantly because I wasn't hungry all the time. You know, and however many years I've been doing it now, 25-ish years, I'm still like you know, there's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 2:I'm nearly 56. I play loads of sport, I lift weights, you know, I work out probably six times a week and just walk on the other day of the week, no symptoms. But yet if you ask probably most medical doctors, so if you show them what I ate in a week, they'd say, well, that guy's going to end up with whatever high blood pressure, cancer, heart disease or whatever right. What do you feel are the biggest kind of misconceptions that you know the general public are led to believe around metabolic health and diet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, simply put. I mean, the idea that fat or saturated fat is bad is absurd. Now, if you have saturated fats with carbohydrates rapidly digestible or refined, there is a synergy there and it becomes an even bigger problem than the carbohydrate alone. So that's the tricky thing. You can make fat bad under careful conditions by feeding a lot of glucose and sugar and carbohydrates in. That's what they did with all the rat studies that fingered the fat and they used a whole ton of sugar and you can create a metabolic milieu that is negative. But that's basically fraud. So the biggest one is that fat is bad, saturated fat. The other one is that meat is bad.
Speaker 1:I mean we, we evolved as the species homo sapiens. No paleoanthropologist would would question this. We evolved from the scavenging of organ meats and and carcasses. Then we became the most successful hunters on the planet and the expensive tissue hypothesis. We traded off digestive freedom the big gut of the ape, if you will for true freedom, a big brain, and it's a trade-off. So we got the big brain, we got the very small stomach well, traditionally, and that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1:So they say now that meat is bad, but that's purely political. That's either ideological from the vegan or vegetarian lobby. Or, of course, we know we have a lot of forces in the world now that want people fat, sick and stupid, and they know that meat being reduced is a good route towards that. So lots of players. Juice is a good route towards that, so lots of players. So the fat is absurd. The meat, the anti-meat agenda, the cholesterol is bad is just a tool. Well, to sell drugs, obviously that's the biggest driver, but cholesterol is bad is a major tool to say that meat, fish and eggs are bad. You know, it's simply a political tool Because a lot of people who switch to a good diet, like you or myself, sometimes not reproducibly, not regularly, but sometimes the cholesterol goes up. And of course, if you go to a vegan or plant based diet, the cholesterol tends to drop, not in a good way, but it does drop. So it's a bit of propaganda. You can use the cholesterol to scare people to not eat nutrient dense, homo sapiens appropriate food. So the whole thing is a real quagmire. But they're probably the big ones.
Speaker 1:Cholesterol, fat, anti-meat and pro grains is absurd. I mean, I often say to people it's so simple. Imagine now we discovered wheat as a potential foodstuff and nowadays there would be all the testing and then they'd find out pretty quickly oh, this new foodstuff we were going to use kills painfully around 1% of people and causes major distress of various levels in another 10 or 20%. No way would it be allowed to be eaten, but because it's historical from the agrarian revolution and it's in the bible and the romans, blah, blah, blah. We all accept it. But if it was discovered now, it would be absurd. It would be absurd so that pro wheat and pro grains, especially when they're processed, which they all are, I mean, there's no such thing as whole grain, really. They're all mechanically ground and prepared so humans can eat them without having gripe and the whole thing is just, it's just ridiculous, it's absurd, it's laughable yeah, yeah, there's some really great books like Grain Brain, wheat Belly.
Speaker 2:A couple of people I've had on my podcast, actually Sally Norton, who wrote Toxic Superfoods, talking about oxalates. That tells you something about particularly people that are vegan or vegetarian. They're putting themselves at quite a high risk of conditions that are caused by, you know, oxalate overload. And another lady I've had on is Jane Buxton, who wrote the great plant based con. And again, they're just great sources of information. All those four books are just amazing sources of information that highlight exactly what you've just been saying.
Speaker 1:you know and go ahead oh, yeah, I know jane and at the time when her book came out I was very busy. She approached me and I just helped promote it in a small way. Uh, excellent stuff. And uh, william davis is a good friend of mine. We bring him him on to Metabolic Geo quite a lot. So, yeah, these are great books. I know Grain Bane is very good, but I don't know Perlmutter so well myself. But another resource for people, just a handy tip is sacredcowin. Anytime, like last week, I'm called onto GB News or whatever for an interview about vegan versus omnivore, I always have a quick look and remind myself it's Sacred Cow. And they've got infographics summarizing the climate supposed problem, the nutrient density versus plants. They got around 12 square format infographics that are just fantastic. It's a great resource for people to have discussions with other people. Just show them the data.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is a great. Well, I guess it's a docu-movie, isn't it really? It's a really great source. I think we might come back to this discussion a bit later on, because I've got a specific few questions I want to get to you, and I know we're a little bit time poor today.
Speaker 2:Now, I originally came across you in early 2020. I was suspicious. I was suspicious of what was going on right from the beginning. Soon as I saw people supposedly dropping dead in the street in China, and so I was spending 16 hours a day. Soon as we went into lockdown 16 hours a day, seven days a week. For the first seven weeks of lockdown, I was just researching everything I could find and I was looking at. People like Jay Bhattacharya and John Ioannidis and yourself were probably the biggest three sources of my information that I was tending to use to make up my own mind. So, in terms of again, people may not be aware of what kind of information you was sharing in early 2020. First of all, why did you decide to share the information that you shared and also, what kind of information or data in particular were you sharing?
Speaker 1:were you sharing? Yeah, I mean it was weird. I mean it started with my wife actually in February or maybe early March. She said, oh, should we get masks and order them Because they may run out. And I said why? And she said, well, this COVID thing. And I just laughed. I honestly laughed. This was true, as God. And I said so that's another swine flu scam. And I told her I'd seen the Diamond Princess data and I quickly did a back-of-the-envelope calculation. So seven people had died in the first month from 3,700. Quick calculation Three of them were in their late 70s, four of them, I think, were late 80s and if you do the stats it's maybe a 0.2% population fatality rate you could expect. And the 2000 crew, there was no mention of any problem because they were under 60. So you could do the math and I quickly she's an engineer as well, first class. So I quickly told her this and she said, oh, and she was just surprised there was so much hype. And I said no, this is a pharma thing. Now, I underestimated, of course.
Speaker 1:I was in Denver, at low carb Denver, and it was nearly canceled. I think it was March 16th, 17th and I was going on. Luckily, I gave my talk, it was new material. And then I had to change all my flights and they were shutting down America. And then I realized, okay, this ain't just swine flu, this is a scam of very impressive proportions and obviously there's people very high up the ladder involved, because it's not just big pharma. Big pharma can't get like trump to shut down the airways. So after a few days of lockdown nonsense, I just realized, okay, whatever's going on is extremely sinister. I have five kids. I'm a huge truth and science person, so this is really rankling me right and I decide to begin to interview people. But I'm very careful, I don't say what I just say to you or said to you. I made it look like you know I'm okay with a big pandemic, I'm okay with you, know I'm okay with a big pandemic, I'm okay with you know the science. And I actually pulled punches because I knew people were psychosed. It was clear already there was psychosis everywhere.
Speaker 1:But then after a month or two, when I was sharing data, I just began to get more and more open and people began to send me a load of documents that I was shocked by, like World Economic Forum. I never knew about them and I found out, they were instrumental in the whole thing. And then someone sent me stuff I think it was in April or maybe May and they sent me Common Pass. Rockefeller Foundation, microsoft Gates in mid-2019, set up Common Pass for universal vaccine passports. And the guy also sent me the google searches. He said I think you'd be interested in this, iver. The google searches for common pass shot up in mid-19 when it was created fine, and they were focused in geneva and east coast, usa oh my god. And then the searches went quiet and they spiked again in February 2020. Geneva and USA. So I knew with certainty then pretty much this was pre-known about and this is all about the vaccine that will appear right.
Speaker 1:It will appear within six months and they will coerce it. And then I be I, but I shared the data on lockdown was easy. So, because we had north dakota, south dakota, we had sweden versus uk everywhere you look, the lockdown had zero, zero effect, which we knew. Yeah, and at the end of april, woods hole institute came out with the first published paper and they basically showed that in a published paper that lockdown had no effect on any viral curve. So I was sharing that and it turned out we had 100 papers within a year showing the exact same thing.
Speaker 1:So I just kept showing the data in an entertaining and simplified way for lay people, not to say it's a scam, but just to say, look, it makes no sense. Yeah, that's and that's what I did and it got me a lot of following and it got me banned off platforms. It got me in the New York times and a half page spread. Yes, september 2020, they did a half page on an Irish engineer in Dublin in the New York times. Amazing, and everything I said was kind of it was hypothetical. I was saying this is what the data suggests. They debunked everything I said and they were a hundred percent incorrect. Like a year later, I did a talk and I showed everything I said and they were 100% incorrect. Like, a year later, I did a talk and I showed everything they said on the checklist and I shared the data that was all out by 2022. They were incorrect in everything they said. Like that takes some that's an achievement to be incorrect on every single facet of what you say in the newspaper article. But that was the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think part of the game was confusion as well, wasn't it? Because you know how can it make sense that you walk into a restaurant and you have to put a mask on, and then you walk to the table and sit down and then you can take it off.
Speaker 1:Well, actually that's an interesting one, that that's kind of part of the big lie. So make the lie so big that ordinary people broadly just can't believe it's a lie. It's too big, you know, and gobbles, and even churchill was attributed that. But another interesting thing about it is the absurdity. Hannah Arendt, who spoke a lot about totalitarianism back in the 50s. She said the absurdity I'm paraphrasing now is part of it.
Speaker 1:When you bring in a mass formation, a totalitarian system, and you get everyone hypnotized, the more absurd you make it increasingly and the more people continue to buy in, the more you've trapped them psychologically. So a lot of the absurdity. You'd say, well, that was a risk for the bad guys, because coming out with absurd stuff, well, you'll be debunked. No, if you can get the majority to buy into the nonsense, right, you've got even more power over them and they've even more to lose if they change track and say, hey, this is crap. So there's a lot of psychology and half of sage in the uk for a health issue. Half of them were psychologists, right, so you didn't have a little bar and see the scam. It was all about creating fear, absurdity and mass formation. And you know my brother actually is, is an accountant type person, not technical, doesn't watch my stuff. He rang me in um I think it was early april, early on, and he said to me um, on the phone, is this a load of shite?
Speaker 2:basically a load of crap.
Speaker 1:And I said, yeah, but how do you know? Because he's not a science guy. Really, I say you watching my interviews. No, he never watched my stuff and I, honestly, was perplexed because I'm a everything I hear and see and do I always analyze it. It's my nature. And I immediately wondered how the hell did he know that? And he explained it to me. He loved shopping, you know, he had no kids, plenty of money and he liked shopping for gadgets. But they shut all the stores down. Now a couple of the German supermarkets were still open. They were supermarkets, but they sold gadgets, you know, aldi and Lidl and whatever.
Speaker 1:And he just began to notice pattern recognition. He's a smart guy, even though he's not scientific. He began to notice that the TV was telling him we're in Armageddon and his eyes were showing him nothing was happening, just observation, empirical science, that seen by the eye, just observation, empirical science, that's seen by the eye. So he went further and he got curious and he began to interview casually, all the staff. Oh, did you get covid? Did you get sick? No, no, do you know anyone? Well, my mother in the nursing home? Yeah, I think. And he interviewed and kept interviewing. He even interviewed there's one huge, obese black guy who's a security guard in one of the stores and he asked him. And he asked about his relations. Same answer. So he knew to a certainty nothing was happening. Simultaneously the television was saying we were in Armageddon and locking us down, and he knew it was a scam but couldn't understand why. So it's just a great example of first principles, of just being with no science, just being able to see what's in front of your face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think I'm a little bit like you, ivor, I'm quite a numbers guy and you know I was tracking the ONS numbers, the death numbers, and you know you look at those and I can't remember if you did it on one of your videos or whether I just did it myself, I can't remember. But you know, you look at. I looked over a few decades and I think I looked over 30 years and you looked at 2020, and out of 30 years, the death rate was 15th, if you put them into a league table and you think so. So where's the pandemic?
Speaker 1:where is it? It's true now, some people say that it was iatrogenic, that the imposition of mass panic and the basically withdrawal of all care caused the spike, and a lot of people have done mathematical analyses and I understand their point and it was certainly exacerbated by the response. However, sweden, which acted quite rationally, with no lockdowns, no masks and kids up to 16 in school throughout, they had a point. I got to get this right 0.055% excess mortality through the whole main wave and the UK had around 0.1%. One in a thousand extra people, average age 80. So it's a farce.
Speaker 1:But the fact that Sweden had a bump, it does indicate that there was a real issue beyond the closure of everything and the crazy lockdowns. Though you could argue, even Sweden's minimal response could still cause a bump like that. Cause a bump like that, so I think. But the big thing is 0.055 for Sweden, with no measures, and an older demographic than UK, and the age of your demographic dictated your impact on a straight line. So, 0.055 with no measures, 0.1 in a very sick country, metabolic health wise, like the UK, with loads of measures None of it matters. You're right, there was no pandemic by any reasonable person's definition of the word. That's the way I always put it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, again looking at the numbers, there was definitely an increase for a very short period of time I can't remember exactly how many weeks, like six weeks maybe, but it was all during lockdown and, like you say, it was all people you know. The average age was over the national average age of death. It was a few months in advance. So I mean, I guess there's a lot of potential theories and you can speculate as to what may have caused that. I mean, obviously we know about NG163.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you know about NG163 in the UK and there's lots of anecdotal evidence that people were given midazolam and morphine and part of Sweden's little micro-bump because that's what the pandemic was a micro-bump in age and mortality brought forward a little. But you could argue that Sweden also did get involved with denial of care and withdrawing care from elderly because they wanted to keep their hospitals open for the massive pandemic. So, yeah, you could possibly explain even the bump by the measures taken across the world. You could Now I'm not saying that with certainty because it's very hard to pick apart. It's like the mRNA mass medication I won't mention the word because of YouTube but people would say, oh, that caused most of the excess mortality of these coming year or recent years.
Speaker 1:But at the end of our movie covidchroniclesmoviecom, we got a Kickstarter. We made a movie these coming year or recent years. But at the end of our movie, covid chronicles moviecom, uh, we got a kickstart. We made a movie. It was. It was banned immediately everywhere, even though we only use professors, and we steered clear of all the really bad stuff. It didn't matter, it was too convincing. So it was banned.
Speaker 1:But at the end of the movie, to camera, I was asked where is this going? And straight to camera in the closing sequence I said we've got a freight train of excess debt coming over the coming years and nothing's going to stop it, because the closure of hospitals, the stress of the mass panic and I listed out a bunch of stuff, not the V, I didn't actually say that. Politically, I said I'm not going there. Not the V. I didn't actually say that. Politically, I said I'm not going there. All of the stuff we did, which was insane, has caused much higher debt than would have happened with this cold and we got a freight train of excess mortality coming, based on all the measures taken. You can include the mRNA in that and it's in there.
Speaker 2:But, to be honest, everything they did drove excess death, including the V, but I don't know what percentage is the V yeah, and you know it doesn't look like the excess death is well, I guess it has slowed down a little bit, but it still still seems to be going from when I last had a look.
Speaker 1:Well, look at Sweden, which is very interesting. The reason I didn't go too hard after the V was I always preach on the black swan. If you get a negative bit of data that disproves iPods, ie that the V is causing most of the excess. That's powerful. And Sweden, which I was using as a black swan to prove that lockdowns and masks were nonsense which they are I unfortunately then realized that Sweden, which was very highly V'd, they were not seeing any real impact. So I was very careful in discussing that because of that black swan. Now, if you look, the other day, someone posted I must do a YouTube on it, a retrospective. So I was very careful in discussing that because of that black swan. Now, if you look, the other day, someone posted I must do a YouTube on it, a retrospective. I forget who posts on X.
Speaker 1:They showed Sweden over the last 20 years and their mortality is just as a tiny bump in 2020, but largely their mortality is just flowing along normally. And if you look at California, they got a massive bump in 2020 and it's continued for several years. They're really bad for excess mortality. But the key thing is Sweden, which did the minimal, is kind of largely rolling on no problem. It's interesting.
Speaker 1:So I really wonder how much was the non-v impact of turning your whole society upside down and denying care and causing stress and mental chaos across the whole population and all the people who lose their jobs and all the businesses that go under? And you got suicides and you got depression. And then you got more meds. There's this huge wave of anti-life uh vectors that they forced. You know it's very hard to quantify how bad that's going to be for mortality, but I think Sweden is important. Now. Some people said well, they got a special batch. The whole country at 10 million got a special batch, or myriad special batches of the V. It's possible. But then even the baddest guys in the world who pulled off this scam to orchestrate to make sweden a protected country by giving them pseudo placebo v's I know the bad guys would not plan and orchestrate that in advance. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2:So sweden's apparent unaffectedness is very interesting yeah, yeah, and I'm sure at some point in the future we probably will know some of these unanswered questions that we've got at the moment. Yeah, um, moving on a little bit, although you've kind of you've kind of led me down this track a little bit already. So, if anyone wants to believe the mainstream narrative, we are constantly being threatened by invisible global threats, such as viruses, the climate or even you could say hurty words, right, yeah, you know they're dangerous all of a sudden. So would you say these threats are exclusive or are they connected in some way?
Speaker 1:So I think they're all connected in a very believe it or not simple way. And that sounds weird because to the average lay person, they see climate, they see central bank, digital currency, they see energy crisis, terrorism, pandemics, and they just think how could these all be connected? It's absurd. But it's the opposite of absurd. It's simply a program and the program is, and it was well documented by Rockefeller Brothers Fund and by the Trilateral Commission, club of Rome, the UN Councils, the Agenda 2021 of the UN and now it's 2030. It's all written. It's carefully couched in language, but it's all written.
Speaker 1:The intention is to have a one-world government, but the reality is, with the BRICS breaking free and China and Russia power centers, it won't really be one world. It'll be kind of Western world, a new world order, if you will, and Rockefeller was the first to use that phrase. Now we're called conspiracy theorists to use it. But, long story short, all of these things you mentioned and more, are all connected and they're all synergistic. They all achieve certain goals. Like COVID brought or made censorship great, again I like to say COVID brought in the biosecurity complex and gave it massive power. Covid moved five, six trillion dollars from the ordinary people to the richest corporations and individuals. So COVID brought in the universal vaccine passport concept. Covid did a lot, but what it also did was weaken society.
Speaker 1:So if you look at, say, something as absurdly separate as the trans agenda, you'd say how could that be connected? Well, the trans agenda weakens society. It undermines cultural norms, it undermines scientific certainties like male, female. And then if you look at the climate, well, it moves huge money away from the ordinary people and takes away their autonomy and gives it to the corporates and gates and whoever. So it weakens society. So, as you go around the anti-meet agenda, the mass migration is a great one what's that do? Well, it undermines nationalism, sovereignty, it disturbs and undermines society. Ultimately, and that's why it's happening everywhere. All of them weaken society. Because if you want to bring in a new system of governance which is documented for 70 years now that's the intention, it's on paper you have to weaken society massively and weaken nationalism and weaken, I don't know, cultural and historical pride. You've got to smash that in order to recreate the new system, which is a bland brown blob of humanity which you can then run your system with.
Speaker 2:So on that note, because again I've heard you talk about this quite recently actually. So on that note, because again I've heard you talk about this quite recently actually Can you talk a little bit about the climate emergency and where that originated from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the climate emergency. The first, dr Jakob Nordengård, who wrote Rockefeller Controlling. The Game you can go to I think it's farosmedia, p-h-a-r-o-o-s-m-e-d-i-a dot S-E because you won't be able to find it on Google for obvious reasons. So farosmediase. He has new books out in English and he discovered back in 2010, 11, as a ponytail left wing climate fear person he was, that he asked the professors of climate change in the Swedish university where he was. You know he wants to find out more about the historical origins of the climate change science and he was genuinely fearful of climate change. He believed it all. He wrote papers on energy politics and you know potential peak oil and so he's the right kind of guy to go looking because he ain't biased to our side of the house and when multiple professors clearly didn't know where it came from before 1991 and the ipcc foundation, he said how can the experts in the field not know where it came from? So he looked. He says took him two weeks max. It went straight back to Rockefeller Brothers Fund 1956. He saw the oil men and climate change, the richest men in America and climate change, what's going on. So he did a PhD on it and the simple fact is it was identified in the 50s by Rockefeller as one key strategy to achieve a Western world government. They listed out climate change, pandemics, were discussed, of course, macro terrorism and financial crashes, financial issues, macroeconomic so they basically listed out the four best shots at getting people scared enough and stupid enough to buy into what they wanted.
Speaker 1:Oldest trick in humanity. It's been used for all of human history and they basically identified them and then they began to fund. So they began to fund to encourage and grow these things and climate change was just one of them. Rockefeller basically gave the buildings and the money for the foundation of the UN, or expansion, in 1946. They saw the UN as future world government and they also saw it as their own kind of personal club and they founded a trilateral commission. They were linked into the foundation of the Club of Rome, which is a ultra elites kind of climate propaganda catastrophe club, very influential, and they basically just fed the money to the scientists who would go along with the idea of a catastrophe and they fed money to take out scientists who questioned it and over 30 or 40 years of a rapid evolution, like a natural selection of what I just said, you end up with. Most of the science agree it's a catastrophe and it's 100%. False Nonsense. Yeah yeah, it's a catastrophe and it's 100% false Nonsense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's interesting One of the things that one of my friends, paul Cech, because he used to be in the army in America, and he said when you go to war, there's two things you aim for communications and the food. Yeah, right, so what has happened since 2020? Well, they've been censoring people like you for speaking out. When I, I was deplatformed from linkedin and, um, I was banned from a number of social media accounts, but I blame matt leticia and professor norman fenson for me being banned. They were coming out with the truth, but, um, so we've been censored, and obviously for a long period of time. Our media has been captured for a very, very long time. Yeah, and then what's been happening in the last two or three years as well? They're going after the farmers, and we've just had a budget here and it seems like I haven't looked into it, but it looks like they're making inheriting farms almost impossible now 20% and it has to be paid in cash.
Speaker 1:They've got to sell chunks of land. I mean, this stuff is so self-evident. It's almost comical, though it's obviously very macabre. What they're doing is so obvious. To a corporate guy or someone who's basically wise to what's going on, it's hilarious. But to the normies, who are part of the big lie, it's very hard for them to see. And we need to just raise awareness by not talking about chemtrails or there are no viruses or moon landings or anything like that. Don't care whether it's true or not. I'm blue in the face telling people this.
Speaker 1:Stick to the history of the Rockefellers Kissinger Trilateral Commission. Stick to the history of the Rockefellers Kissinger Trilateral Commission. Stick to the geopolitics. You know what's going on in the East with Israel and the occupation and all this latest distraction and horror. Stick to the geopolitics, the published, documented geopolitical drivers and the groups who are going after us in this manner, and just try not to get caught up in things that cannot be proven or sound very conspiracy theorish-like. Whether they're true or not, they're relevant. Trying to get people interested in politics and geopolitics again and then people can begin to feel it's safe to discuss, because they're now in a safe space of discussing political actors and NGOs and groups and published documents like Agenda 2030. You know, it's very hard to censor us if that's what we focus on. I just think that's really important interesting, interesting.
Speaker 2:What one of the um, one of the questions that I've been asked by people who think I'm a nutcase which many people, many people do you know? Quite often they'll say when you say they, what, who do you mean? Right, what? What would your answer be if someone asked you what, who do you mean when you say they?
Speaker 1:so if I'm talking to a normie and it's very important we used to call it in corporate situational awareness or situational leadership it sounds a bit manipulative, but you have to be very cognizant of what group of people you're talking to and you have to make your language and what you say be the best and most optimum outcome from that discussion. So anyway, that aside, if I'm talking to an average normal person who thinks something's a bit wrong, I will always point the finger at the World Economic Forum as a management nucleus that has 4,000 young global leaders since 1993 put through its education program, including Trudeau. Macron, our prime minister also was through it. Bill Gates was one of the first through it. This is a fact Point. At the WEF, the Rockefeller Foundation, the book Rockefeller Controlling the Game, or the latest one, the Global Coup d'etat from Nordengard, he only sticks to fully published political and geopolitical figures and say, as far as I'm concerned, that's the they, it's the UN, the EU Commission, unelected, it's the Rockefeller Foundations and all of the other NGOs and Microsoft, and point to what they know is not conspiracy. Begin the journey towards learning who's ruining our world.
Speaker 1:Now I'm giving a talk in Buenos Aires, in Argentina, in a few days' time, the keynote that starts a conference there and I have to put it together and I'm going to be emphasizing that point. And also many people come after me on X on our side. Either it's the crown and it goes back to the Roman Empire, and the crown kind of owns America in a legal sense and the city of London is not the UK, it's a separate state, and the city of London, the Vatican and Washington DC are a triangle of influence and it goes up to people way up the top and Rothschilds and vorners and or warburgs and all these power players. You know what. Most of that is probably largely true, but you can't use it with a normie because if you start talking about these things, even if they are largely true, behind the scenes the normie gonna, like you said, they're going to say, yeah, right, also, elite, uh, masons, masons either. There's no point. You can talk about that stuff with your own group, but with normies and that's the battle we faced.
Speaker 1:The battleground is to raise awareness of quote normies. Npcs is a uncharitable, but I love that one. Non-player characters. You know the computer game, they just bump around, they don't know what's going on. But yeah, I just think that's so important, as I would point to the clearest crystal, fully documented and in your face, official bodies and NGOs that are driving this, and then later, as they become awake and realize my God, the world is rotten, then they can go and look behind that veil. They're going to find some pretty ugly stuff up higher.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So kind of final question for you. You kind of mentioned the plan is one world government, etc. But do you think there's more to it than just that?
Speaker 1:Well, a few thoughts. So the whole mass depopulation. I've often said this to people and I said look, the people running this crap show they view ordinary people with utter contempt. I have no problem with that, and if billions of ordinary people died, they wouldn't lose a wink of sleep. However, they're smart political corporate types, they're sharks and they're running a system, and they did a great job in COVID and got away with it. They're smart. They're not going to want to leave paper trails and try and cause depopulation through actual you know biological killing implements. It makes no sense. All they need to do and they're doing it in our faces create a world full of trans and sex madness and full of financial woe and fear for the future. A bland, totally scrutinized with cameras world with social credit scores. I could go on all day. Create that world, and the birth rate will go to the floor and below, and within a generation or two, you've got this massive depopulation without firing a single shot. They're smart and that's the way they're doing it. Yes, they want far fewer ants in the ant farm, no question about it.
Speaker 1:But your question, though, was oh, is there more to it? I think, at the end of the day, behind the scenes there are people who have a satanic bent. There are certainly people enmeshed in this, elite structures that have a pedophilic bent, and we see the evidence that the un tried to lower the age of consent to 13 or below. Their team, the un health, are now getting involved with teaching masturbation to like one to four year olds. So like I mean, this is, but. But I think while there's all these players, you know, I still think the big picture is what drove elite people for all of human history, from Roman empire, shaka Zulu, the Incas, a smallish number of sociopathic leaning people or worse, over time get into positions of influence and power and they are bloodthirsty for more power and influence and to rule over their fellow species, to have dominion over your species. That's what drives all the guys at top and get the likes of gates is the cliche.
Speaker 1:He wants dominion and people need to understand that that there's only money and power for bad people and when they've got more money then they can buy yachts with and it's not hitting the spot anymore. You know, it's not giving a high. There's only one thing left it's power and control over your species. So they're not going to be happy with I don't know torturing animals. You know it's beneath them. They want to rule over their own species.
Speaker 1:That's the only game in town and I think that what I just described is a huge part of this. It's wanting dominion and it's going to attract a lot of pedophiles. You know, a lot of very bad people are going to be drawn like flies to these power structures because they want power and they want their own perversions or god help us satanic beliefs or god knows what else. You know, I I think that's it, and the only thing we didn't talk and we can't talk about is the influence of certain ancient religions in these power structures, but I don't think we should get into that maybe another time, maybe another time yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 2:Hey, awesome. So I think you've alluded to my. My last question is what's next for you?
Speaker 1:well, you know, my life kind of runs itself now. I I do shows in the uk. I've been over there two or three times now. I go around and do public shows. It really is energizing. You get to meet real people face to face, discuss what we discussed and inform people.
Speaker 1:I'm in the Mavericks Project is a group and I've been in several of their conferences over the last six months in Dubai and Zurich and Istanbul and El Salvador and Argentina next week and they're a really, really important, really good group of people who are aware of everything that's going on and they're trying to create a kind of a club to help people if they want to move jurisdiction or get a new residency. Just help people in case they need to move out of the crap hole where they are if things get bad. And also I have five kids in college and school and I'm a single earner, so I have a whole load of affiliates and I need to work to promote good products that pass my standard so I can make a little income. So when you add that and loads more stuff, I just every day I'm prioritizing dynamically and like it's an interesting life.
Speaker 1:Most people it would scare the crap out of them to not have a standard job and to keep the head down, not draw the wrath of the media, but it is what it is. I always say I have two drivers, my five kids, the future for them and all children that drives me. You know that means I, the future for them and all children that drives me. You know that means I don't have fear and truth in science. It really offends me when science and facts and data are twisted. So the last few years, both of those, they've gone to war with me and I'm in war with them and whatever it takes, and is there any links you want to share with people, like where can people find you and your work?
Speaker 1:Well, I'd say, currently, if you search for me, I'm not completely shadow banned on the search engines and you'll probably hit pretty quickly my Twitter I'm very active my YouTube most of my material really goes there or embedded in twitter and facebook.
Speaker 2:But if you search my name, you'll you'll get to all those platforms yeah, awesome, and I'll put some of your links in the show notes as well, either. Super duper, thanks a lot, awesome, awesome. Thanks for your time either. I know obviously you're time poor today because you're on your way to Argentina, but have a great time and, yeah, I'll let you know when this episode goes live.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, lee. Good man, we'll talk again. Yeah, take care.
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