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138 - Unlocking Peak Performance: Preventing Concussions, Reducing Migraines, and Boosting Strength with Dr. Michael Hutchison
In this episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, we explore a revolutionary approach to preventing concussions, reducing migraines, and enhancing physical strength with Dr. Michael Hutchison, a renowned neuromuscular dentist. Dr. Hutchison introduces us to his groundbreaking device, NeuroGuard Plus, designed to optimize neuromuscular function.
Whether you’re an athlete looking to prevent injuries, someone seeking relief from migraines, or simply curious about cutting-edge health technology, this episode offers valuable insights into the potential of neuromuscular dentistry to improve overall well-being.
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Neuromuscular Dentistry and Concussion Prevention
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we just ignore the jaw and its effect on the skull and we don't even consider anything that any impact of the jaw has any effect with concussions. But it really does translate those G forces that come in a concussive impact up through your jawbone to the base of your skull where your brain sits on top of it. And when you put your jaw in this physiologic position it separates the joint so that that G-force can't get to the brain. It has to go elsewhere.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel Podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandon. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed, and it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show. Welcome back to the Radical Health Rebel podcast, where we challenge the conventional thinking and explore the latest in health and wellness innovations.
Speaker 2:Today, we're diving into a fascinating topic that can revolutionize how we think about preventing concussions, reducing migraines and even enhancing physical strength. Joining me is Dr Michael Hutchison, a renowned neuromuscular dentist and the brilliant mind behind a groundbreaking device called NeuroGuard Plus. This innovative tool is designed to optimize neuromuscular function, and today Dr Hutchison will explain how it works, its potential to prevent concussions, alleviate migraines and boost physical performance. If you're an athlete, someone who suffers from migraines or simply interested in cutting-edge health technology, you won't want to miss this episode. Let's jump right in to our conversation with Dr Michael Hutchinson. Dr Michael Hutchinson, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast that's coming on the show.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great to have you on, michael, and to kick things off, could you share a little bit about your own background, including your kind of educational and professional background, and how you became involved in cosmetic and neuromuscular dentistry? About your own background, including your kind of educational and professional background, and how you became involved in cosmetic and neuromuscular dentistry.
Speaker 1:Well, it really started out as I grew up in a farm country in the United States, in Iowa, and my dad was a professor at Iowa State University in exercise physiology and I wanted to be a veterinarian that was the number one school in America and I went to see some surgeries see what a vet student. I followed him around, shadowed him and he took me to the barn and put on a big glove and stuck his arm up the backside of a cow and I said do you have to do that if you want to work on puppies and cats? And he said everybody has to do this and I was so disappointed. My dad grew up on a farm and he had a big belly laugh when I told him the story and I said now what am I going to do?
Speaker 1:I don't know what to do and he said why don't you be a dentist? They play golf the rest of the time and work three days a week, so I'm like, oh, that sounds good. It's never turned out to be like that. I just graduated from Loyola University in Chicago and got very interested in cosmetic dentistry because that was kind of the time in the late 80s, that the materials were and the techniques were just starting to be born, and I really liked it.
Speaker 1:I do a lot of art and it just seemed like the art of dentistry was really appealing to me, so I started doing that and I started, uh, doing a lot of cosmetic cases. I got into the academy of cosmetic dentistry and became one of the 125 cosmetic dentists in the world, and one thing about that is, uh, the bite is so important and if your bite's not correct then your good work is going to fracture off. And so that's what really drew me to the neuromuscular dentistry part is that I wanted to have the right, correct bite for each patient, and then it just kind of springboard from that when I was working with TMJ patients.
Speaker 1:I started to notice that they had more strength. They would tell me that they were stronger and didn't get tired. And I just really, because of my exercise physiology background and my family big sports fan, I just thought, if I can make these people stronger, what would happen if I took the professional athletes and made them stronger? What would happen if I took the professional athletes and made them stronger?
Speaker 2:I'd be a genius so.
Speaker 1:I just started testing it and it just kind of evolved over that in the late 90s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, awesome. Can you explain for the audience because some people in the audience listening they might not know what neuromuscular dentistry is. Could you explain what that is?
Speaker 1:listening they might not know what neuromuscular dentistry is. Could you, could you explain what that is? Yeah, it's basically a science and technique of how the the skeleton works, and when it comes to dentistry, it's all about how the jaw and the jaw joint, called the temporal mandibular joint, functions and what are the results of that function. And most of us have a bite that isn't in harmony with our skeleton, and so that disrupts the nerves that go to the muscles, and we showed that if you put your own unique jaw position, called the physiologic jaw position, in the right spot, it allowed all the nerve information to go to your muscles and you increased your strength by 17%, which is really phenomenal, because you know you think about adjusting your jaw and making your whole body stronger. That was the results, and so, really, that was the beginning of this neural guard appliance that I, that I invented and patented yeah.
Speaker 2:So, as well as strength, I know one. You know the main topic we're going to talk about today is concussions and the prevention of concussions. Before we go down that route, can you you again maybe just explain to the audience what concussion actually is? Meet Billy, a semi-professional rugby player who endured three years of recurring injuries that derailed his performance. Billy suffered sharp pain, swelling and tightness in his right leg, making drop, kicking and punting agonizing. He also had groin pain that restricted his movement and pins and needles down both arms that worsened while driving. Despite trying sports massage, stretching and acupuncture, his injuries always returned, forcing him to take weeks off after just a few matches A frustrating cycle for any athlete.
Speaker 2:That's when Billy decided to work with me during the off-season. I designed tailored stretching and strengthening programs to address his specific issues. Now, halfway through the season, billy hasn't been injured once. He's kicking further, running faster and cutting off one foot better than ever, in Billy's words, I've never felt so sharp and strong. If recurring injuries are holding you back, reach out today for a consultation at wwwbodycheckcouk and get back to performing at your best.
Speaker 1:Well, it's actually a brain injury, and the conventional wisdom teaches that it's from your brain sloshing around inside your skull, and we haven't been able to get past that, and so most of the experts and most of the people that are studying concussions look at it in that direction. But one thing that's really interesting from my perspective is that we just ignore the jaw and its effect on the skull, and we don't even consider anything that any impact of the jaw has any effect with concussions. But it really does translate those g-forces that come in a concussive impact up through your jawbone to the base of your skull where your brain sits on top of it, and when you put your jaw in this physiologic position, it separates the joint so that that G-force can't get to the brain. It has to go elsewhere, and so this is an important discovery about how the jaw relates to the skull that really has not been really studied and basically ignored and actually made worse with some of the sports equipment that some of the sports use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, for want of a better phrase neuromuscular dentistry, or the temporomandibular joint, actually forms a very important part of my work, so I don't know if you're familiar with the Czech Institute.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not.
Speaker 2:So I'm a Czech practitioner. I'm also a member of the Czech faculty, so I teach Czech courses. So within our system we have a system called the Czech Totem Pole, and the Totem Pole is a number of systems in the body prioritized in terms of importance to human survival. So the top of the Totem pole is, is the psyche, because ultimately, if you wanted to kill yourself you could right, and then, and then it's breathing. The next system is breathing. Have a guess what the next system is?
Speaker 2:would be your, your jaw mechanism the jaw mechanism would be your, your jaw mechanism, the jaw mechanism right, because if you, if you're, if you can't chew, or if your jaw is out of alignment and you continue to chew with your jaw out of alignment, your teeth are eventually going to wear down. Right now, below that there I won't go.
Speaker 1:I won't. What's that? You're also going to have pain, yeah and dysfunction right. And dysfunction. So the teeth are basically the part that feels the most pressure.
Speaker 2:So there are a number of systems below that. I won't go through them all just for time. But at the bottom there's a group, what we call the slave joints. So the slave joints are everything below C3 in the spine, so the upper cervical spine is much higher up, and the arms and the legs, so most of the spine, the arms and the legs. Now if people come to me in pain it's normally either in the spine or the arms or the legs right.
Speaker 2:And what what most uh injury rehabilitation specialists don't do is assess all the levels on the totem pole, including the temporomandibular joint right absolutely and I've had people with knee pain and I've tracked it back to you know a cross bite in the jaw instance, because everything underneath it will try and correct it, to try and get the jaw back in alignment. That's neuromuscular dentistry. That's what you were talking about in the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're speaking my language. There was an interesting article that I read when I was really looking into how the jaw would affect the body and it was done back in the 80s at Notre Dame on some football players and their result was that if you had a lower mouth guard they called a Mora. Back then they didn't really know how it worked, but it would increase your stamina, it would increase your strength and you had less knee injuries, which really just kind of shocked me back in about 25 years ago.
Speaker 1:Like how can a jaw affect your knee injuries? But now I know and it's great what you're describing, because that's exactly the the way things work and there is.
Speaker 2:There is a really simple test you can do yourself as well you can. You can bite down on your teeth, hold your arm out and someone can muscle test your arm and then just change the position slightly of your jaw and and you'll. You'll know when your jaw's in the right position, because you'll be really strong, and when it's in the wrong position, you'll be really weak.
Speaker 1:That's exactly how we came about NeuroGuard Plus, and it's called physiologic jaw position, which is managed by swallowing. When you swallow, your autonomic nervous system takes over and you don't. You don't control that, but you go into your physiologic job position and you can actually do what what you're describing, by marking that position, and then you're always stronger yeah, and again, that's that's something we do in the check system.
Speaker 2:We we do teach people in certain situations, to put the tongue in what we call the physiological rest position, which is the position it goes to when you swallow Right, and that helps to support the muscles of the neck better right yeah, so we're definitely speaking the same language absolutely you're.
Speaker 1:You're one of the first people that I've met that understands exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2:Most people don't yeah, yeah, well it's, it's um. Now learning the check system from from paech is not for the lighthearted, shall we say. It's very, very thorough training.
Speaker 1:That's C-H-E-C-K.
Speaker 2:C-H-E-K.
Speaker 1:Oh, E-K yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he'll be a good guy for you to know actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd love to meet him. Yeah, so, yeah. So I know what you want to talk about is is concussions and, and you know, the minimization or prevention of concussions. But before we do that, I just want to say that you know, as a big sports fan myself, it's been in the uk really big news in terms of rugby and, to a lesser degree, soccer, but again, I think this is going to be related. But what they talk about a lot in in soccer in the uk is they've been doing lots of studies on ex-professionals.
Speaker 2:So obviously, you know you had, you had the ball a lot in soccer, right, and I actually looked it up this morning. It was something like you're 1.5 times more likely to get dementia if you're a soccer player, but not if you're a goalkeeper, right? Well, what's the difference between an outfield player and a goalkeeper? Well, what's the difference between an outfield player and a goalkeeper? Well, the goalkeeper doesn't head the ball, but the outfield players do. So the goalkeeper's risk was the same as the general public, but yet the outfield players had a 1.5 times increased risk of dementia, which is quite interesting. Obviously, there are multiple causations of dementia, which is quite interesting. Obviously, there are multiple causations of dementia. But I just thought that was quite interesting.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing sorry, just to finish this point, the other thing that's been big is in rugby union. Now, in both rugby union and in soccer you might have a view on this, but they go through certain protocols if someone's had a head collision of any sort. But there's a guy in the UK who's trying to get rugby banned, for I believe I'm right in saying under 18s, so that people shouldn't be allowed to play rugby until they're 18. And I completely, I kind of understand what he's trying to do. But then there's a part of me that thinks that you can't live a life with zero risk, right, because there's benefits and risks to most things in life. And when you think of the massive benefits that people have had from playing rugby, you know, especially in the UK, it used to be. It used to be a sport performed by the wealthy people, the people that didn't have to work with, the people that played rugby, right. But now it's now it's switching a lot, and a lot of the England team at the moment come from very deprived backgrounds. So now these guys are coming, you know, becoming multi-millionaires and having very successful careers.
Speaker 2:And if you were to say to them now would you have not have wanted to have played rugby as a child? They would say, well, of course not. And they said, what about the risk of concussions? And I said, well, I'd have been willing to take that risk, you know. So it's. It's quite a contentious issue at the moment here in the uk is that there is lots of talk about, you know, concussions in rugby, and then not so much concussions but increased chances of dementia and alzheimer's in in uh, football players or soccer players. I should say so it's quite a, it's quite a hot topic at the moment that we're going to dive into. Sorry, was there a point you were going to say before?
Speaker 1:I agree with you because we have American football and there's the same sentiment out there that they want to ban American football until you're 18, american football until you're 18, which is going to take out all of the people who you know can't otherwise get to college without a scholarship and have a career and a livelihood their whole life. It's not necessarily just the money that an NFL football player would make.
Speaker 1:Of course that's exceptional as well.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, you're going to take out, uh, millions of of people, uh, just because you don't want to do the research and find out how to, how to prevent or lower the impact, you just uh want to be lazy and and just ban it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and so where? Where where's the line? Like so, people, if you didn't wear shoulder pads, uh, for american football and you broke your collarbone, so should you ban the sport or figure out how to protect your collarbone? That's my point of view on that. With the research we've done with NeuroGuard Plus, we've had a 0.2% concussion rate, so that's almost zero with all the rest of the equipment. So there's a way to do it and it's great that you understand the whole physiology of it, uh, but that part is just not part of the armamentarium that we uh seem to be looking at, that there are ways to dissipate those g-forces away from the brain without having to ban the sport that people love to play yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting you talk about, you know, shoulder pads in american football because of having to ban the sport that people love to play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting you talk about, you know, shoulder pads in American football because, of course, rugby players don't wear them right?
Speaker 1:No, they don't even wear a scrum cap unless you're, you know, one of the big guys. Yeah, yeah, which doesn't do a lot, except for keeping your ear from being torn off or something like that. Yeah, yeah, that's a. That's a really brutal sport.
Speaker 1:My son played rugby and uh got invited to the Brigham Young university rugby club and, um, he decided he wanted to be a doctor and didn't want to get beat up for no reason. So he didn't do it and that year they went and won the national championship. So he kind of kicks himself a little bit, but he's now a. He's now a urologist and I'm really proud of him. Um, and he never had a concussion and he, his body is great and uh, so he made the right decision yeah yeah course I protected him with the technology that I was developing From fifth grade to senior year in high school.
Speaker 1:he played American football and never had a concussion.
Speaker 2:That's good. That's good news. I think you might have answered the next question I was going to ask, but I'm going to ask it again just in case there's more nuance to it. So how was it that you found the physiological position of the jaw? Did you know that 92% of people fail to follow through on their new year's resolutions? That's right. Year after year, most of us start strong and then lose momentum by February Sound familiar, but what if this year could be different? What if you finally had the tools to make your goals stick, Introducing Stickability, a simple, effective and affordable program designed to help you overcome the cycle of failed resolutions.
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Speaker 1:Well, it started. Every dentist is taught about temporomandibular joint syndrome, or TMJ or TMD. But it's very, very arbitrary. And I can remember sitting in class dental school and learning about it in 1985. And basically they said there's this thing called TMJ. It has to do with how your jaw fits together. It's mostly caused by stress. There's nothing that we can do to cure it. It happens in mostly women, 25 to 50.
Speaker 1:The only thing we can do is make a bite splint. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. There's nothing we can do is, uh, make a bite splint and if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't, there's nothing we can do. And I just thought that that was just crazy. Like how can, how can I be a doctor and say, well, if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't, there's nothing I can do. See you later, make sure you pay your bill on the way out.
Speaker 1:So, um, I was frustrated with that whole concept, uh, because really the way we were taught was so arbitrary. We just took an impression or a mold of somebody's teeth and sent it off to a lab and the lab made it however they wanted to make it, uh, and they came back and I put it in the mouth and made sure it was even and that's about it. And it was so true that a lot of times people say I can't wear this thing. It drives me nuts if I wear it, and other people would say this doesn't do anything, I still have my pain. And then there'll be a few people say, yeah, as long as I wear it, it feels great.
Speaker 1:But we were taught to have them wear it at night when you sleep, but then 16 hours in the daytime you were in the bad job position and so just really it was frustrating for me and I just happened to come across this doctor who dedicated his whole life and career to this very problem and he'd done about 35 years of research and he had developed just a different technique based on a lot of research with the TMJ and physiologic job position, and it was an epiphany, it was such a eye-opener. I had five patients that suffered and went to many practitioners and were just in pain and nobody can help them. And once I spent some time with Dr Carlson, I came back, I called those five people up and I cured every one of them from their lifelong migraine, headache, tmj inflammation and pain, and so I started to really treat people like that, and I was the only one in Michigan that knew how to do this.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I got people from all over and the results were just the same. As long as you put people in their own personal physiologic, neurologic job position, all the symptoms and pain went away. And that was that was the beginning of of how I started doing it and then, like I said, we'll talk about it more. The progression into concussions was just, it was really kind of a path leading me there, because when I was testing for strength, the kids didn't have a concussion. I tested my son's football team from eighth grade to senior year for six years and there was also a Catholic school school here. So I had a hundred boys and I had them wearing this physiologic mouth guard that I came up with and not one of them had a concussion in all six years, and so that just that just changed the whole dynamic of what physiologic job positioning can do so so how do you, how do you make sure you've got the right position on each person?
Speaker 1:Well, what I used to do is custom. You know, I'd meet with people so, like my son's football team, when I was doing all the research and development, I would. I would bring them into the office and I would go through a jaw positioning technique and um mark that with some silicone and then I could put their jaws in an articulator or a machine that held their position and I could make the appliance fit their jaw position. But when I started to think about how could we do this for every person? It can't just be a customized thing. That's not very practical to train every dentist in the United States and the world to do this. It would take forever.
Speaker 1:So I just did a lot of Research, trying air, whatever, and I came up with a way that any kid could warm up a piece of plastic, put it in there on their lower teeth, because we know that the lower jaw is what makes the jaw go.
Speaker 1:The upper jaw is stationary. It's the lower jaw that positions into that physiologic job position. So we swallow into that warm plastic and marks your physiologic job position and when it's cooled down, every time you put your teeth together you're always in your physiologic job position and never out of it, and so I did a few trials and got a material that worked and started putting it out there for people to purchase at a lot lower cost and be able to do it at home. So it's very easy to do, but you have to follow the instructions. You can't just boil it and bite into it wherever you want to, because that's not your physiologic job position. You have to let your body through, swallowing through your autonomic nervous system. You have to get your body to do that for you and then you know uh. Once I had that uh developed, then I sent in a patent and nobody had thought of it and so I was awarded a patent, and in Canada and the United States for physiologic jaw position.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the way that you find that position is, it's the position of their jaw that they're able to swallow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what they do is they take that little mouth appliance that I send them, they warm it up for about 10 to 15 seconds, put it on their lower teeth, bring your lips together and swallow five times and that swallowing action puts you in your physiologic job position and makes an imprint on the, on the mold, so that the mold becomes like your teeth and when you close your teeth in that position, you're always there yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2:So so we know that well from from the studies that you've done. It minimizes concussion. It increases your strength. You mentioned it helps people with headaches. Any other benefits?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the headaches come from your muscles overworking, filling up with lactic acid, having to torque certain fibers more than the other to get your teeth together. This is something that we're kind of simplifying and you understand this. But when your teeth aren't in the right place, your brain, you have to chew, your teeth have to fit together and the proprioception of your brain and your teeth tells it how it should fit together. The cusps fit together, so it's balanced. So if your teeth aren't in the right place, your brain's going to torque your jaw and that's going to create an inflammation, swelling. It's going to damage your joint and the structures, the ligaments, the tendons, the disc that's in there and your muscles are going to be constantly overworking and that generates pain, migraines. There's muscles inside your, your mouth, that get overworked and the pain gets radiated out to your head.
Speaker 1:So when you balance that out your head, so when you balance that out, everything calms down and the pain goes away and you're pain-free. And that's where a lot of migraines that's a catch-all term basically for a chronic headache but we really don't. In the literature, if you go out there, there's all kinds of headaches, but nobody really can pinpoint what causes chronic headaches. It's just things that we have to manage and of course, the easy way out is drugs. You just knock down the neurology and the pain goes away. You don't feel it, but it's never cured, it's just masked by the drug. And so this is where the balance comes into play. When your body is balanced, you have no pain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, completely agree. Yeah, yeah, completely agree, yeah. I mean, I know from my own assessing clients the muscle that tends to be tender on almost everyone.
Speaker 1:I assess is the lateral pterygoid. Medial pterygoid is even worse.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting. I generally find lateral worse than the medial, interestingly.
Speaker 1:If you just palpate the medial pterygoid, um, that's the number one.
Speaker 1:That's the number one hot muscle in a person who has tmj, the lateral, the laterals are always very painful as well. And then there's really eight muscles that indicate if your jaw is not in its physiologic job position, and those two are the ones that are almost always very painful to touch. The digastric muscle is also because your tongue has to work much more in getting your jaw in the right spot. The masseter not quite as much, but even the SCM or the scalenes or the traps are always tender in TMJ patients. Yeah, because the jaw's out of position, so those muscles have to hold a posture that's not in their favor. Yeah, so um, then the, then the temporalis also up here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just going to ask you that one, yeah, yeah, very common. The other, the other muscles that I tend I see affected quite a lot with tmj dysfunction as well, is the suboccipital muscles, because quite often what happens is if the jaw is out, you'll end up with a well I know some people don't like this term subluxation at c1, yeah, which then is going to obviously going to affect the length tension of the suboccipitals as well well, you'd probably be interested in this.
Speaker 1:The conventional, it's a 200-year-old theory about how the jaw works which is frankly not correct, but it's so institutionalized in dentistry that it's the major way that's taught that the jaw is a rotation, a hinge axis in the joint. But actually it comes down and then hinges. And so there was an engineer back in the 70s his name was Casey Gousset, who did a lot of studies on uh, native cultures, and he determined that the, the hinge, the axis of rotation of the jaw is c1 and the oxygen and so um, that's and and the uh, the middle balance point is your first molar.
Speaker 1:So, uh, that changes the whole dynamic and that really is the foundation of of the concept of neuromuscular dentistry.
Speaker 1:Because, um, back in the turn of the 19th century century, dentists had to have a way to make a denture and reproduce the jaw position exactly the same every time, so that they sort of fit right.
Speaker 1:So they came up with this thing called centric relation, which was a doctor manipulation. It was a doctor would push your jaw up against the skull, uh, tied up against the skull and and make the dentures to that. And so, uh, because he needed to do that again, he needed to first get your bite and then you need to try the teeth in, and so he had to go back to that position and uh, so that's why dentures have always had a bad reputation not getting right, because we're all taught to jam the jaw up against the skull and put your teeth there, and that's not where the jaw wants to passively fit. So neuromuscular dentistry is also teaching that you make the dentures to a swallow bite, which is your physiologic jaw position, and they function much better, um and uh, actually everything works better as well. So, um, you know what you said, just brought that to my attention that at the uh, c1 is really the axis of rotation of the jaw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, when you look at it anatomically, the TMJ and the atlas are very close together. Right, they're very close.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's almost impossible for one not to affect the other.
Speaker 1:That's right, and they do affect each other. So a lot of times I will in a severe tmj patient. Uh, they need a little bit more help than just establishing their job position. I will refer them to a chiropractor and we'll work together so they'll go get adjusted and then they'll drive over to my office with cotton rolls between their teeth and uh, so that I can see where their where their jaw position is, and then I can. Then I can correct the, the appliance that we use to to discover where their perfect jaw position is. So most of the time though, uh, if you just make an appliance that puts people in their physiologic job position, everything just sort of falls into place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, are you familiar with NUCCA chiropractors?
Speaker 1:I'm not familiar with that term. What is it?
Speaker 2:So NUCCA stands for National Upper Cervical Chiropractors Association.
Speaker 1:Okay, NUCCA chiropractor.
Speaker 2:So they specialize in the upper cervical spine. They're very, very specialist in what they do. Well, I've only known one outside of North America and she used to be based in Londonondon, near where I used to practice. So we used to work quite closely together. But I mean, she's canadian, but I don't know. I don't even know where she is now, I think. I think she's in a teaching role or something, I'm not sure. But um, yeah, that used to work really well because I'd have. Are you familiar with harley street in london?
Speaker 1:I've probably been there, but it's been a while yeah, it's the.
Speaker 2:It's like the medical center of london. The whole street is is only medical and it's about I don't know three quarters of a mile long and it's all, all medical, all private. It's no, no national health service people there, um, but that's what. That's where she was based near there, and I used to work with a holistic dentist who was on Harley Street. I was near Harley Street so we would quite often refer clients to each other, which used to work really well. So, in terms of your NeuroGuard Plus, where can people find that?
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Speaker 1:You can go to the website wwwneuroguardpluscom and you can order it there. It'll come to your house. You can follow the video that shows you exactly step-by-step how to do it. It's very simple, but you have to do it that way. And it has to be on the lower jaw or it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Have you ever had people buy one and then they actually haven't set it up properly and then they've had problems? I'm guessing you probably have had that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every once in a while. When I started, I thought I'd expect a lot more problems, but usually it's because people don't read the directions. Um and uh, they make the water too hot, that's. That's really a common thing, where they just uh, they're so used to making a mouth guard, um, and just boiling it and biting into it that that seems to get in the way when people have problems, and uh. So other other than that, though, it seems like people are really able if they watch the video. Uh, it's really not difficult. It's basically just a swallow mechanism. One thing, though, that gets in the way sometimes is the way people swallow, or what they think swallowing is supposed to be like, and you can't really move your jaw around. You just want to bring your lips together and swallow like that. But some people move their jaw around and their tongue and all that. They have all these, uh, weird habits and that that doesn't work very well.
Speaker 1:So you really want to be calm? Just swallow the saliva and water in your mouth and your jaw will just naturally lock into that physiologic jaw position.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and do you supply outside of the US and Canada?
Speaker 1:Well, we're branching out. Yeah, there's uh, you know, postage is one of the one of the hurdles. There's tariffs, and so we're working on that. I'm on amazon too, so I just got word that amazon will. They've got a new program where they'll ship to other countries and they'll take care of it, and so we're working with that. But again, it's really a very inexpensive way to, and we could talk all afternoon about what physiologic job position can do for you, but uh, to to make your body function the best it really can.
Speaker 1:The very first guy that I tested it on was a weightlifter. He was a local celebrity in town. He was the police chief and the fire chief. He was 65 years old, he loved to bench press and he uh won a spot on the USA powerlifting team and uh won a national championship in the category of 65 years old. And uh, he was going to Prague, czechoslovakia, to represent the United States and he wanted to break the world record.
Speaker 1:His best lift was 398 pounds. I called him up cold and said I can get you your world record and he said, okay, I'll try it. And he came over. I made him a neural guard plus and he went and lifted 455 pounds that night and quit because he thought he was going to get hurt. But I told him he uh, at the time I said you know, the average increase is 25, so you're going to be able to go up to 480. Well, sure enough.
Speaker 1:Uh, while he was training for the prog championships, he got up to 525, went over there and broke the world record with the sanction lift of 455 and held that record for 10 years, just by changing his job position. And I knew it would work because I saw a picture of him smiling in the article that they wrote in the newspaper about him and I. His teeth were really bad and I'm like this is a slam dunk, I can get him in his job position, he's gonna, he's gonna push the weights through the roof and that's what he did. And so I knew from that point that there was a normal body mechanism that we didn't know about that I wanted to know about yeah, so.
Speaker 2:So it improves function, improves strength. It can potentially help with headaches, migraines, things like that. Is there anything we've missed off? Any other benefits?
Speaker 1:no, the, the tmj migraine thing, it, it's the same concept, but that has that has to be uh, corrected. For 24 hours a day, you can't. You can't just buy a neural guard plus, wear it at night and you're cured because 16 hours a day you're not in that job position. So the net, the net effect is, is pain. So you have to. And also the Neural Guard Plus was made for sports. So I had to use the only accepted EVA material, the plastic material the United States, the FDA, accepts in the mouth and that's a flexible material. And so with tmj you got to mimic your, your teeth. So we have to use a hard plastic appliance to set you in your physiologic job position, to correct that bite um, and, and so it's a little bit different. But again, it's all about physiologic job position and all those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, very interesting. So, michael, what's next for you? What have you got in the pipeline?
Speaker 1:Well, we've got a lot of interest in professional and organizations. We've got a lot of goals. My goal is that every kid in the world is protected. With physiologic job position, I've worked a little bit and tried to branch out in England. I would love to have somebody in England that could make strides, because there's just as many concussions happening in England as there is in the United States or Canada, india.
Speaker 1:In the United States there's 10,800 concussions every day. It's been that way for 60 years because we're not protecting the jaw at all and that is the missing link. Missing link to concussion prevention is the jaw mechanism. And that is made worse by helmets, by chin straps, no protection for the jaw and actually made worse by some of those sports equipments that hold and push your jaw up against your skull and translate that g-force when you get a blow to the side of the head. So this is this is my passion and goal that every kid, just like when we learned about penicillin, this is this or iphone, right when we were kids we went to the wall and talked on the phone. Now we don't, and here we've got a 74 year old mouth guard that was invented back in 1950 and we haven't changed it one bit and it's time to change that. Concussions are no fun. Concussions can can affect you your whole life, just one one concussion, and this is a tragedy that we need to correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds sounds like a great mission, so can you just remind us again of your, of your website, where people can get the NeuroGuard Plus.
Speaker 1:It's power, it's a NeuroGuardPluscom wwwneuralguardpluscom. Spelled out.
Speaker 2:Great stuff, yeah, awesome Michael. Thank you so much. It's been really interesting chatting with you and I might have a potential link for you here in the UK, but we'll talk about that offline.
Speaker 1:Excellent, really great to be on your show. Really thank you for having me. Excellent, really great to be on your show. Really thank you for having me, and there are hopefully many people who have learned something today that can help and benefit their life and keep their children safe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, definitely. So. That's all from Michael and me for this week, but don't forget to join me, same time, same place next week on the Radical Health Rebel Podcast. Thanks for tuning in, remember to give the show a rating and a review, and I'll see you next time.
