Radical Health Rebel
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Radical Health Rebel
139 - Healing Chronic Pain Through Quantum Wave Living with Ann Shivas
In this enlightening episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, we dive into the world of Quantum Healing with expert Ann Shivas. We explore how Quantum Wave Healing offers a revolutionary approach to managing and reducing chronic pain. Ann shares insights into the root causes of chronic and acute pain, the impact of self-sabotage, and how a lack of abundance in life can manifest as physical pain.
Through our conversation, you'll discover how Quantum Wave Healing can tap into the body's subtle energies to facilitate healing and foster well-being. Whether you're battling chronic pain or seeking alternative healing methods, this episode offers transformative strategies to help you on your journey to health and vitality.
Join us as we uncover the potential of quantum healing to change the narrative around chronic pain and open the door to new possibilities for relief and recovery.
We discussed:
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Healing Chronic Pain Through Quantum Wave
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Overcoming Back Injury to Marathon Success
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Healing Through Energy and Belief Patterns
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Exploring Personal Healing Patterns
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Exploring Patterns in Healing Pain
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Breaking Patterns to Heal Pain
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Transforming Pain Through Patterns and Energy
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Exploring Pain, Community, and Abundance
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Discovering Patterns in Healing Pain
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Uncovering Patterns for Personal Healing
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I had my second ACL surgery and I think the words still ring true in my head my surgeon, who's a wonderful man, he'd done both ACL surgeries. He goes have you ever read the book about the guy who had eight ACL surgeries? And I said no, and it was some NFL guy who's had it. But he said don't be that guy. That's what he said to me. And then he said look, the second one didn't go as well as we wanted. And he said look, the second one didn't go as well as we wanted. And he said you're going to always walk with a limp, like we couldn't quite get everything cleaned up that we needed to, whatever that meant.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed, and it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show. Welcome back to another episode of the Radical Health Ripple podcast, where we dive deep into transformative health discussions that challenge conventional wisdom. Today, we have an incredibly enlightening conversation lined up for you.
Speaker 2:In this episode, I'm joined by Anne Shivers, an expert in quantum healing and chronic pain reduction. Anne brings a unique perspective on how we can heal from chronic pain by understanding the deeper layers of our existence. We explore the fascinating world of quantum wave healing, a method that taps into the subtle energies of the body to promote healing. Anne and I discuss how a lack of abundance in various aspects of life can manifest as chronic pain, and delve into the concept of self-sabotage how our subconscious mind might be hindering our healing journey. We also differentiate between what creates chronic pain and what leads to acute pain, offering insights into how these types of pain arise and persist. Most importantly, we talk about chronic pain reduction strategies via quantum wave healing.
Speaker 2:Whether you're someone struggling with chronic pain or simply curious about the interplay between the quantum realm and physical healing, this episode is packed with insights that could change your perspective on pain management. Let's jump right into this transformative conversation with Anne Shivers. Anne Shivers, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast that's coming on the show. Thanks for having me. It's great to have you here, anne, and, to kick things off, could you share a little bit about your background, and perhaps your educational and professional background, and your own personal story with chronic pain?
Speaker 1:yeah. So I guess my story with chronic pain would start in back in the good old soccer days or football days and um, I I've been playing pro soccer. Um, I went over to Australia to play in the first pro women's soccer league and I just had torn up my knee actually, and you know it was a little tear, and I started with a little tear and didn't quite have the rehab that we really have today, like that wasn't really available in that time, and so I kind of kept playing, kept kind of doing the rehab that I was supposed to do and so on, and that led down into two ACL surgeries in the future, to fast forward a little bit. And with that I had my second ACL surgery and I think the words still ring true in my head my surgeon, who's a wonderful man, he'd done both ACL surgeries. He goes have you ever read the book about the guy who had eight acl surgeries? And I said no, and it was some nfl guy who's who's had it um, but he said don't be that guy, and what he said to me. And then he said look, the second one didn't go as well as we wanted, um, because I had my meniscus done as well and, uh, he said you're gonna always walk with a limp, like, like we couldn't quite get everything cleaned up that we needed to, whatever that meant, and you're going to walk with a limp. And I was sitting there thinking, oh my gosh, okay, so my career just ended. I have to walk with a limp for the rest of my life. I thought it was game changing that day. And then I decided I'm going to go down a path of rehab.
Speaker 1:I went into an osteopath who's amazing and, lo and behold, I walk out without a limp. And he said something to me around and look, it's like, it's all the energy you carry, like if you believe you're going to walk with a limp, you will, and if you don't, you won't. And I was thinking, okay, mindset, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll get into, you know, the deeper parts of that later. And then I became an osteopath because I was like, ooh, this is totally going to help everybody heal themselves. I can help people heal. And I opened a clinic, had my little clinic going and you know I was helping people, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:But then I saw people coming in with the same reoccurring patterns all the time and I thought, well, okay, what am I missing here? And I said I'm missing their DNA. I got to know everything about you know, nutrition, their environment, um, them. As a person, I have to really understand and help them get through their whatever they're living. And I thought, okay, nutrition is going to help, mobility is going to help, and all those things did help.
Speaker 1:And so I went into my PhD in epigenetics to try to understand people really at the end of the day. And I did, I do. And after that I thought, okay, well, you know, there's got to be something more. And I had never touched on, you know, an energetic component, if you will, or some people will call it, you know, connection to source component.
Speaker 1:And that was the part that I've been really diving into the last five or six years. And what it's done for me is help me see humans differently, help us see us as a bit more of a whole being, and the funny thing to backtrack on that is that's one of the parts of osteopathy is to look at the body as a whole human. I just didn't know what that meant, like you know, I just thought it was the body at that time, right, and then you know it's so much more than that. So that was kind of my journey on it, and now I live without any pain, um at all. I can. I can manage my own pain on a daily basis and I actually believe that we don't ever need to live with chronic pain ever. And so I can. I can dive into why a little bit later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. So how long? How long did you study osteopathy?
Speaker 1:So osteo would have been a four year program four years part-time, two years full--time. And, uh, then I got into after that, actually my my prof, in that he was a really good businessman, so he taught us how to all open our own businesses and we have, you know, really great osteopaths thriving in our area because of him. And, um, with that, you know, I think you naturally attract what you are. So I was attracting all these athletes. I was working with athletes from Sur-Soleil, I was working with, you know, pro hockey athletes at the time and seeing all these injuries and so on, and I had people, you know, believing concussions was a big one at that time too, and so I had just people believing, okay, well, I've had this concussion, I'm going to be living with this for the rest of my life. And the language at the time was how do I manage it? How do I manage living with this? So if we take the belief system, the belief is well, I'm going to have this anyway. System, the belief is well, I'm going to have this anyway, I just need to figure out how to live like this.
Speaker 1:And so when I went into the whole body component it was, you know, got a little bit deeper. It was like, well, actually, how can we exchange out the belief system pattern of what they're expressing? Because the more you know, we ingrain it into our minds, like I have pain, I have a concussion. We start to like make it part of our identity, right, and with that identity we'll go out and we'll actually look for things to confirm that identity in ourselves. And so, you know, everyone starts creating concussion clubs, which is I have nothing wrong with that, but you know, so you're part of a concussion club. And then everyone comes in and talks about their concussions.
Speaker 1:And my whole question about it was well, what if you actually didn't believe you had it? What if you actually could exchange out the energy of the belief system? What if you could change your belief systems and move forward and actually you know, heal parts of yourself that you're living, you know. And so that example isn't to rip apart all the concussion people, by the way at all. I know it's a process, but the belief systems have to change. And when the belief systems change and even the emotion around it can change as well, we get a new person, we get a brand new person. So they have to believe first that they can heal and that they're capable in their body of doing it. If they don't believe that, then yeah, you know they'll probably want to be working with people for the rest of their lives potentially um but.
Speaker 1:But they can exchange it out for sure now it's quite interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I interviewed someone two days ago about concussions, oh, which is interesting, but it was more to do with the prevention rather than what to do afterwards. So, yeah, if anyone wants to go into concussions, have a look, have a dive into the previous episode, because we're going to go into detail on concussions. But I completely agree that you know the mind and our emotions play such a massive role when it comes to pain and there are so many kind of facets to that as well, and you know I've been very conscious of it when working with people over the years. And you know a story that I've told again many times before. But the one that springs to mind is a guy I'd been treating basically doing manual therapy on, who was training to do his first ever marathon in his mid forties, and he rang me one day. He was in the South of France and it's very hilly in the South of France, and so he was running up and down these hills and he said my back is so sore I can't I can't even walk, and it was, you know, it wasn't that long out from his first ever marathon. And so he came, he came, came back to the UK came in to see me now.
Speaker 2:At the time my treatment room was four flights up and there was no, no elevator. So he had to stumble up these four flights of stairs and he got into my treatment room and one of the first things he said to me is am I going to be able to do this marathon? And it was six weeks away. And my first thought, looking at him walking up the stairs cause I'm obviously, I'm walking behind him, I'm assessing his gait as he's walking up the stairs and my mind said to me are you kidding? You can't even walk. How are you going to run 26 miles? But then I kind of caught myself and said if I say to him, no, you can't run this marathon, it's probably not going to happen, who am I to tell him that he can't do it? I said, I thought to myself, I need to leave the door open for him to be able to do it. I've seen so many times in the last 28 years I've been doing this work that when you give the body what it needs, it can perform miracles, and I've seen it time and time and time again. So I I said to him now I'm to be honest, I didn't believe what I was saying, but I wanted to leave the door open for his mind to believe. And I said you remember what I said to you right at the beginning? And he was like I do remember.
Speaker 2:And what I'd said to him right at the beginning was it's all well and good coming in and getting your calves treated every week because your calves are tight from all the running. I said, but what you really need, you really need a full holistic program. You need need exercise, you need strengthening, you need to change your diet x, y and z. And at the time he said oh, it's too expensive. It's too expensive, I'll just come in every week and you can just treat me so. So I said to him well, look, if, six weeks out from the marathon, if you want me to do a full assessment on you, write you a specific exercise program and also I'll work with you to improve your diet, make sure you're really optimizing your sleep, then I'll give you a 50% chance of being able to do the marathon.
Speaker 2:Now, even when I said that, I thought I was being very generous. Right, but as I said, I wanted to leave that door open for his mind to be able to believe that there was some possibility. So so I assessed him, gave him exercise program. He had a diet plan to follow, but he was still coming in for treatment and each of the weeks he was coming in, his weight was just dropping off and dropping off and dropping. And it was good weight, it was excess body fat that was dropping off him.
Speaker 2:And a few days before he was flying out to Germany to do the marathon I think he came to see me on the Thursday and he was flying on the Friday and he said right, let's make a decision on the Thursday as to whether I'm going to run or not. I said, yeah, okay, fine. Now his mileage was still very low at this point, but I knew he'd got a lot of mileage in his legs. And he came in. I treated him. He was not too bad. If I remember rightly, he wasn't in much pain or hardly any pain. And he said what do you think? And again, I'm still thinking you shouldn't really be doing this, right. So that's probably my ego mind thinking you probably shouldn't be doing it. And I said to him look, why not fly to Germany? You've got your tickets anyway. Fly to Germany, get to the start line, do your warmup, get to the start line, start running and if anything starts hurting, just stop. There's always going to be other marathons. You don't have to complete this one. It might just be a learning process for the next one. He said that sounds like a good plan.
Speaker 2:So that Sunday I was at home and I remember thinking, oh, I wonder how he's getting on. This was about two o'clock in the afternoon and about five seconds after I had that thought, my phone pinged. So I went to my phone and it was him and he said something along the lines of I've just finished the marathon, I'm not in any pain and in fact I don't even have any muscle soreness. And that was someone six weeks earlier was in so much pain he could barely walk. Now I strongly believe if I'd said to him on day one forget it, it's not going to happen, he wouldn't have run it. It would never have happened Now. I'm still amazed that he was able to do it. But it just shows you what's possible, right?
Speaker 2:Chris was 42 and training for his first marathon when he came to see me. His calf muscles were taking a beating from his long runs and he initially wanted some manual therapy to ease the tension. I suggested he take a broader approach, a full exercise, nutrition and lifestyle program to minimize his risk of injury and improve his performance. But Chris thought my rates were too expensive and politely declined Fast forward.
Speaker 2:A few months and just six weeks out from his marathon, chris suffered a debilitating back injury that left him unable to walk. He was devastated, feeling like all his hard work had gone to waste. Chris hobbled into my treatment room the next day, desperate to salvage his marathon dream. This time he agreed to the full program that I'd been recommending. We started with a comprehensive physical assessment and I designed an exercise, nutrition and lifestyle plan tailored specifically to his needs. Full credit to Chris. He gave it his all, dedicating himself entirely to the program.
Speaker 2:Four days prior to the race, chris asked me if he was ready. I suggested he start the marathon, but to listen to his body, as there would always be other races, on the afternoon of the race day I received a text from Chris. He completed his marathon in an incredible three hours and 42 minutes with no back pain and barely any muscle soreness. Since then, chris has gone on to run multiple marathons, achieving impressive times. If your back pain is keeping you from your goals. Visit wwwbodycheckcouk to find the root cause and get back to doing what you love.
Speaker 1:Totally, and that reminds me of a tool, actually, that I've used with people and when if you don't mind me going into this part um, because it rings so true with me, it's um. So when I got into the energy work, I'm gonna so I'm gonna go there, because this is so important for people to understand is I thought I had it all when I was in osteo and, like you, you know, you, you work on the body and you get their muscles going and things like that, but then, like you said, there's this other component of their belief systems and so on, and so I thought, okay, you know, I'll go into genetics and as far as I can go as their DNA. This is what I was thinking, but it's not true. Even beyond, that is a quantum wave and people are going to know go okay, come on. And you know, and it's actually true, because when we break down the body, we get electrons, okay, and the electron spins and it actually sends out a wave of energy and what goes out must come back right, and so in this situation, when I was listening to you, it's actually a really beautiful story. It's, you know what he wanted to do it so badly, something inside him that, you know, he created mirrors around them. This is what we call a miracle. I was like this is a miracle. You know the story that you're saying. People would call it. Oh, that's a miracle. That's amazing. True, they exist because what he admits out of him, his energy, he'll get back. So in that situation, you guys were marrying each other's positivity in a way if you want to say that, or just even ability and belief system, that he can do that, that he can complete it, and so on.
Speaker 1:And so, in a way, people think they have to live with the pain, but if they actually find the energy that's blocked, if you will, or that's creating a certain pattern in their body, and exchange it out for something new, they don't need to have pain in an instant. And so I thought, okay, people have to go on this healing journey. They need this six-week, whatever. And myself I need to live with chronic knee pain for the rest of my life. And it wasn't just knee, it's like ankle, knee, hip. You know how it all goes together. And so I thought, okay, you know, I need to live with that, not going to play sport.
Speaker 1:And then so, when I got into understanding the patterns, on and it was on the right side of my body, right leg, and everything I'd chosen in my life up to then was creating that pain. I'm like, okay, I have to do something different. Right, that's just inevitable and I could stop or I could not play sport or what have you. But I had to actually go into the deeper patterns of what the energy was of living in my ankle and knee hip joint, and so I'll share mine with you guys because I think it's important to understand and I don't know if people will be able to make the connection.
Speaker 1:But my ankle was my stability in my life, okay, the stability of how I was going to move forward in life, and it rings true to parts of my life at that time. And my knee was you know how I'm actually moving forward, because that's what a knee joint does. Now, in saying this, people will be like, okay, I'm going to assess my knee and how I'm moving forward. I just want to say that you know, genetically, everyone's different, so that pattern might not be yours and it might just be mine. You know we have to look at individual patterns, which I think now the world's got to personalize health. So we're good to go there, right, so you know how I'm moving forward. And then the hips was all about my empowerment, cause that's you know where my power was coming from.
Speaker 1:Right. And so I had to go back in my life and look at where I was diminishing these things, where I was denying it in myself, where I was probably blaming myself a little bit and putting myself down because sometimes athletes do that and I had to figure out how I needed to move forward without that and exchange the pattern out so that quantum wave lives and keeps exchanging within you until you consciously exchange it out. And maybe your client could figure out his own way to do that. I don't know. But, um, I worked with a method to actually exchange that energy out and put a new one in. And if people can picture that happening constantly and think about how many electrons we are trillions, right. Um, that's a lot of patterns exchanging at a certain period of time. So it's not just one pattern. It was, you know, the pattern of my ankle that went back into my childhood, same with my knee, same with my hip, and I had to go back and learn like, oh gosh, that's how Ann decided to live at that time. And then I'm going to come through all the ages. I decided to live that and keep exchanging out. At you know, I went through basically every age. I got injured and exchanged those out because I just kept living a repeating pattern. I could see it. You know, two knee surgeries come on same knee. You know same pattern. I didn't learn the first time, I just kept living the same pattern. So it was like a message to me to be like you need to create a change in yourself, otherwise you're not going to live. You know a fulfilling life. And now just to tell people, you know I'm in my 30s and my late 30s and I hike mountains all over the beginning, but it's still. I have an enjoyable, fulfilling, athletic life, like a movement-based life. That can't remember at this moment what they exactly were because I've exchanged out other ones as well.
Speaker 1:But I would say to people, if they're starting to question themselves in this, it's like, well, look at your whole life and I would go into a couple patterns that I see that are key for people. It's like are you self-sabotaging yourself and I'm not saying just physically, but are you sabotaging yourself mentally and finding ways you cannot do things? Or are you exchanging it out, like your marathon runner guy who did something amazing and I want to meet this guy and you know he got through it. And it's not the attitude of saying, well, just get it done, I'm just going to do it anyway, right? It's actually about the enjoyment and fulfillment of doing what we love doing, right? So the self-sabotage pattern has to get exchanged out. The other one I see is a lack of abundance, okay. So people will say, oh well, you know, my parents were like this, so I'm going to be like this, right? And so it's like living this.
Speaker 1:I call it a generational pattern and it lives in your DNA and sometimes we'll play out exactly how our parents raised us and we'll play out their story, or we'll play out a story of who we think we need to be to receive their love as well. And so this sounds all really deep. And you know, your athletes are probably saying, well, how the heck does, how do I find out that relationship, and so on. And the one beauty about athletes they have self-awareness. That's the first step. Is that self-awareness, like the guy who came into you and said I'm in pain, you know, what can we do here? Like they have that self-awareness and usually they have motivation looped in with that somewhere to want to move forward. So, you know, get motivated about discovering yourself and your patterns of how you grew up and and there'll be trends across the board for everyone, but we might just view and live them out a little bit differently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was interesting when you, when you're talking about you, know your ankle. It was to do with your stability and knees moving forwards, and your hips it was empowerment. It reminded me of Inna Seagal's book the Secret Language of your Body, because she talks about all the different body parts and potentially what issues could be causing an issue in that area of the body. But, interestingly, as you were speaking, I started thinking about archetypes and then you mentioned about people sabotaging. So there's your saboteur archetype right there.
Speaker 2:The other book that sprang to mind, as you were speaking then as well, was the Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton Amazing, amazing book. I think that's quite a groundbreaking book, for for most of the you know the people that have read it, I should say, because obviously still a lot of people are not aware of it um, but when you realize, you know how much of what we do is subconscious. It's quite scary and again, I know we spoke a little bit about it before we started recording, but in 2020 and 2021, there was a lot of people doing things subconsciously that they would have thought in their own mind that they were making conscious decisions, but quite often they were subconscious. But that's a whole, nother episode.
Speaker 1:Mm, I'm happy to do that sometimes. That'll be a five hour episode, lee. Five hour episode, yeah, I agree with all what you said. So Bruce Lipton was you know.
Speaker 1:I went in and studied his information when I was doing my PhD because I was like, okay, how you know? What does this guy know that I don't know about people and about healing and about the inner work and so on? And then I got into my teacher, dr Angela Longo, and she's written a book called Quantum Wave Living. It's a quantum wave living workbook, actually, and for people that really want to do the deep dive into themselves, because no two people live the same patterns, that's why we're all different, right? So I would say what my knee pain is about not moving forward, for example, or not understanding how I want to move forward is probably not the same pattern as the next person with knee pain, right? So everyone will get so individualized and that is epigenetics. Actually, it's how we pattern ourselves to live in our environments and no two people are the same, so our patterns will never be the same.
Speaker 1:Um and like, if we put two marathon runners side by side of your, of your clients, let's say, and um gave them that same information, and so on, I bet you'd play out differently for each of them based on their own patterning, right? Um? So when I got into dr angela's work, um, what I realized is when and this might get into 2020 a little bit and ruffle up a few feathers, but oh well um, but when 2020 came along, I realized how many people had sabotaged themselves based on their own fear.
Speaker 1:Okay, and when fear takes over, we tend to go into what we call fight or flight. Let's say Okay, like we're in a stress state, and when we're living in that stress state it's really difficult to make decisions, to move forward or to get out of that. I mean, I don't know about you, I've been in a flight or flight state sometimes and just my decision-making process isn't amazing at all. And so when I have the time and when I have the space and the clarity to make decisions, and I'm probably going to make the right ones, but when people are frantic or they're put in a frantic space, maybe the decisions that they're going to make aren't, you know, conducive to their living.
Speaker 1:Let's say, and so that's one thing I really came to understand during that time was how people deal with their own fear, which is another emotion, and they can sabotage, they can react. I saw a lot of reactivity. I'm sure you did as well. They can hide okay, that was another one, like you know, going into hiding or what have you, and so it's amazing how one big thing can change our lives.
Speaker 1:But I would say to people, when you start to stand in your own empowerment, in your own body, and really know your own body and your own self, then you'll be able to assess okay, you know what situation's right for me, right, what's right for me and how well do I know myself on on this, on this front, in regards to my interaction, to whatever scenario is going on. And so I can come back into like, uh, just a scenario of like of sport, um, with with myself and going through it, like okay, you know, and like like I got told my soccer career is over, right, over. Um, well, you know it actually, like I still went and played like corporate league and played like for fun and stuff like that, but I needed to know I could still play does that make sense, um, and maybe that's a proving it to myself pattern, but I just wanted to feel the satisfaction of going out and playing and having a good time.
Speaker 1:And when I got there, then my career ended actually and I was like, okay, I just needed to know that I could do it again. You know, and um, and, and that was, you know, the beauty in that. And was there fear, 100% was there. Um, I was definitely intimidated at the time and so on, of going back out and it was a co-ed league, so I was even playing with men time and so on, of going back out and it was a co-ed league, so I was even playing with men, and so, really, with all of that, I was like, okay, you know, anything's possible and it all comes down to how we look into ourselves. And yeah, looking back into COVID, I actually think I'm going to say this in a way that I hope people don't misinterpret but it was a gift, in a way that I think people could use it as a tool to see themselves differently, to see the world differently and to interact and grow communities differently.
Speaker 2:That's how I see it but I'll leave, I'll leave that one there for you. Yeah, no, I completely understand what you're saying. Yeah, there's definitely an opportunity for growth there, but not everyone's grasped that just yet. But anyway, we'll move on. We'll move on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then. Well, yeah, and then let's put that into healing, right? Like there's different levels of healing as well, and this comes down really to self-awareness, and I would love to make a chart on this one day. We could probably do it together. But it's like there's the people who come in and you've probably seen this in clinical as well, and, by the way, I'm saying this, and if you're one of these people, it's not bad, it's just where you're at on your journey. So I wouldn't even create a hierarchy, I'd make it a circle or something, because they're not. You know, you go in and maybe you're dependent on the medical system, so every time there's a problem, you go to your doctor and you want your doctor to solve everything for you, because that's what you believe.
Speaker 1:Doctors do Okay, and so there's a trust there, right, and maybe there has been no self-awareness on someone's journey of learning about their own body. Personally, I think learning about our own body should be absolutely put into schools when kids are young. But hey, you know topic for another day as well. So they don't know anything about their body. They haven't gone into that and they're quite dependent on their doctor. Okay, fine. And then they say, okay, well, you know, my doctor's maybe not helping me fulfill my needs. I would need to go into seeing an alternative practitioner. So they would come to see probably someone like you, someone about performance, someone, maybe an osteopath, maybe a functional medicine doctor, diving in a little bit deeper to have more of like a holistic look. Let's say, right and okay, great. And then it comes into okay, I'm going to take all these tools with my practitioner and do them myself as well. So I'm going to apply all these tools with my practitioner and do them myself as well. So I'm going to apply what I'm learning instead of constantly going and getting fixed. I'm going to apply what I'm learning and I'm going to live it, great. And so then they become a little bit more independent and then they start to ask questions of like okay, you know, how can I keep improving, and then it'll eventually come into okay, what energy am I living? What patterns am I living? How am I creating in my days? What am I creating in my days? Am I constantly creating pain? Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:I had a girl who lived with headaches um, her whole life, whole entire life. And I can say, it came back finally and she went to everybody. So she went on this whole journey. She went and she had like MRI, she had scans, she had everything, um, and she went down a path of saying, okay, well, you know, I'm guess I'm just going to live with headaches for the rest of my life. And I said, well, okay, do you want to? And she goes no, obviously, that's why I'm here. And so we went back and I used Angela's method and, um, basically the method you know involves a lot of muscle testing on her body, because she has a frequency like our skin's, kind of like a lie detector, right and um, you know, you can feel when you're around someone you're like well, safe, that's not safe.
Speaker 1:And so, you know, I muscle tested for her and we had to go back to the day she was um in grade one and she went into grade one and what had happened is, um, she, her lunch exploded in her bag, okay, and um, so you know how that happens with kids their lunch box opens, it goes all over the bag, whatever, and her teacher had picked up the bag and dumped it all over the carpet and, you know, really embarrassed her in front of all the kids and all the kids laughed at her and so anytime, um, there was something where she became the center of attention, she would get a headache, okay, and she was in a performance scenario. So she goes, every time I go into a performance scenario, I get a headache. And it came down to that moment where she was in a scenario completely embarrassed, completely unsupported, and so we had to replace in her being supported like supporting herself. We had to replace in her being supported like supporting herself. We had to replace in her that embarrassment, the feeling of embarrassment.
Speaker 1:And I think you know, if I remember her words correctly, she said I felt really put down, okay, and she'd been living that moment unconsciously, like you had said, for her whole life and it was creating headaches because it was a stressor for her. So every time she'd come in her body knew a pattern to stress up and create some kind of headache in the bottom suboccipital area and off she went. She'd have that same pattern until we actually went back and replaced that scenario that programmed her all the way through to her 20 and she's 28, 29 years. So that's how powerful the work can be and how specific the work can be around helping people get through their I'm going to call it unwanted patterns Because I don't want to judge it, but you know the unwanted patterns that people are living, that they don't even know, and then they don't even understand the power of themselves.
Speaker 1:It's like you can exchange that out and have something completely new. And and her wording is um, I think I have a testimony from her, but her wording was something around, you know, feeling really fulfilled in everything that she was doing. And she was in performance, um, she was in like track and field. So, um, her wording was just around like how freeing it actually felt to like go and perform again and that's, you know what she was always looking for. And then it got to be kind of a pattern where, where it was not not feeling so so toasty easy for her.
Speaker 1:So I say to all the athletes and all the people in rehab and all the people going on their journey this way in their body, so you know your body, like, if they're, if they're listening to this now, they're interested in knowing their body right. And it's like, dive a little bit deeper and go back into your childhood and think of a situation maybe a coach or a teacher or a parent that shaped you. Whether it was positive or negative for you it doesn't really matter, but just even think about how it shaped you and look at where that played out in your life going forward, and that is, you know the power of the human, so you can recreate that pattern, and then you recreate your reality in that moment and that's healing. That's healing to me. That's how far I've gone on my journey. There's probably more that I don't know, but here I am, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're all still very much learning, aren't we? You know, even though you know I was thinking about it earlier, I've been studying human health for 32 years and you know I'm quite prolific in my studies. Like I know, I've probably read I don't know 30 books this year, which, for slow readers, quite quite a lot. But I still feel like I've probably got 400 books on my wish list, know, and I'm sure I'll never get around to reading them for as long as I live. But you know, there's just so much. There's so much to learn. Um, just coming back to pain, I think you've touched on it a little bit, but I think maybe we could go into a bit more depth, if you like.
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Speaker 1:I think carrying the same pattern over and over again will create chronic pain. So let's go into just fight or flight mode. Okay, people know this right Fight, flight or freeze. So how one person decides to live stress and then how they hold on to that stress over time will create something chronic or painful. So I'm trying to think something chronic that comes into the office. I see a lot of arthritis actually it's a big one that I see and people go Anne, you know what do I need to do to get rid of my arthritis? And it's like well, I think the big question is what have you been doing? Okay, so, getting the screenshot, a little snapshot of their life.
Speaker 1:So let's take, you know, a client that I have in my head at the moment, beautiful man. He goes oh, yeah, you know. I said well, what do you eat for lunch? Peanut butter sandwich. Every day, for his whole life, Peanut butter sandwich.
Speaker 1:Now, just let's think about what that peanut butter sandwich might be doing over a long period of time, right, you know, is it going to be nurturing his body? Oh, and I'm going to say on white bread as well. That's what it is Peanut butter sandwich on white bread, and I'm not knocking peanut butter sandwiches, but it's something I wouldn't choose to nurture my body. And so, you know, over time I would say, okay, let's say how many peanut butter sandwiches have you had, you know? And he's like, oh, hundreds, hundreds. And I said, well, you know, do you think that's a food, for example, that could be exchanged out for something new? So we draw awareness to the patterns that he was living. He goes well, I could give something else a try. And I said, well, let's, you know, get you some protein first of all right and get you some protein to decrease some inflammation.
Speaker 1:So there's, you know, a step one right there of one pattern out of many that can be exchanged, right, and then so we start to exchange out those patterns. But then, you know, we dove into, you know, his deep, deep arthritis and, interestingly enough, as a child he had a very difficult childhood, extremely difficult, and he started to create some, you know, autoimmune issues as a kid. He said, well, I started to have stiff joints as a kid. And I said, well, why? And he goes gosh, every time I get hit by my dad, I'm just kind of freeze up and I couldn't quite loosen myself up. And so what we did is I still worked on and we worked on the joints, we worked on the nutrition which was creating pain, okay. But then we also had to couple it with revisiting his childhood experiences of being abused, okay, and, by the way, the arthritis was in the back of his hip, Okay, and he'd usually get hit there, okay, a lot of kids get spanked Right. And so he was living that that moment and and it was really interesting because the method that I used with him in the office was I said, okay, as I'm working on this area, tell me what's coming up for you.
Speaker 1:And tears, you know, started coming out.
Speaker 1:All the energy that he'd been carrying for so long started coming out of his body, because he's like, wow, I can't believe that my body has been hanging on to those moments of my childhood, you know, and creating this stiffness in me throughout everything, and that I was really choosing to live that.
Speaker 1:And so we work on the joint, but then we also want to actually exchange out consciously, like you were saying, the emotion of what he was feeling. So then we had to go back and replace the sadness. I think he had some fear I can't remember quite all the words that he was using, but definitely sadness and fear and probably feeling a bit diminished in a way and so we wanted to recreate that in him with empowerment, with standing in his own sovereignty, because he didn't need to look at his father as an authoritative figure anymore, which you know he had problems with authority going through life right Based on that model as a, as a child, which I think is a great story for 2020 as well. But you know, so you know, how he viewed authority and lived it out is exactly, you know, what he was creating in his life over and over again.
Speaker 1:So I think that took us probably about eight hours in total, not in that session, but we worked at it for about eight hours and now he's at a point where, you know, time to time he has a little bit of arthritis coming back, he has to look at his lifestyle and what he's living and so on, but the majority of the pain and stiffness that was there all day, every day, is gone, and so people think they have to live with this and they think it's absolute. Nothing in the body is absolute. We're constantly moving, we're constantly healing. And the myth that we're taught of when we get older well, this is just how it's going to be again, not true? You can exchange out those old patterns. They just might be a little bit of a longer journey if you're 70, whatever right, but of looking how many times you've lived those patterns over and over again, that's okay. But you can still exchange out those patterns and live something new, even when you're in your 70s and 80s.
Speaker 1:So the myth of us getting older and dying with chronic disease or having chronic disease, to me it's all a myth. It's, it's all a pattern of living and I actually firmly and I'll stand by this I don't believe people need to have it ever. They can, you know, map it out and get rid of it in their body. Is it going to happen overnight with some people who have really deep chronic issues, especially autoimmune and things like that? Probably not. That'll take time.
Speaker 1:But you know I've had people that come in with, you know, hip pain and it's gone in one session and they figured out the pattern and that's great and they don't recreate it ever again because they got it. And then you know you have others who have much more complex stories in their life that they have to go back and revisit and say, okay, you know, this is probably a slew of different relationships and patterns I've had in my life that I'm living in this area and I'm embodying it. I'm embodying all the fear, I'm embodying all the sadness, I'm embodying all the trauma in my body. So I have to exchange that out in order to not have it be painful for me.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, for sure, something that I asked someone else, another guest recently, and something I discussed on another podcast, just quite interested to get your view. What about when it comes to acute pain? Do you see that differently compared to chronic pain? Attention, all radical health rebels. Are you ready to uncover the truth? The authorities don't want you to know. We've just launched our Radical Health Rebel channel on Rumble. Here's the deal we're bringing you the first half of our subscriber-only episodes for free. That's right. Free access to the hard-hitting, eye-opening conversations that dig into the topics mainstream platforms won't touch, whether it's cutting-edge health insights, exposing hidden agendas or sharing tools to thrive in challenging times. This is your chance to stay informed without subscribing to the podcast. Tune in on Rumble to keep track of what's really going on in the world and join a growing community of truth seekers. Don't miss out. Search Radical Health Rebel on Rumble and start watching today, because knowledge is power and it's time to take yours back.
Speaker 1:I would look at it all as an energy, no matter what now. So okay, wait, let me go back. The past me would have said ooh, they're super different, but at the end of the day, it's still a pattern that we've chosen to create in our bodies and it's maybe a decision that we've made to get there.
Speaker 1:So I would go back and say pattern behind it no matter what, because there'll be a reason why that person showed up and made the choice that they chose. Even maybe they were having pain in the beginning and they decided to go through it with it anyway, whatever it was, and so on and so forth. So it's quite interesting why we choose what we choose, if that makes sense, and a lot of people are going through this world.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to put people. I think we're trying to learn more about ourselves and create more conscious living within ourselves, and many people are choosing different paths of where to go and how to do that, to learn about who they really are, and I think that's a beautiful thing. But when it comes down to it, at the end of the day, all that we need to do is look within ourselves and our own patterns of our own living in our own life, because naturally, each one of us knows our own life better than anybody else, right? And so you'll know all of your experiences. And then you start to replace out those experiences because with a quantum wave and I'm just going to go back to a little bit of physics around this is when you exchange out that wave.
Speaker 1:It connects to what we would say a source, so some people will call it source, some people call it God, some people call it the universe, some people you know what it is is a stored energy in the universe, and all the physicists can come on and help explain that, because I'm not a physicist somewhere and we have access to it and that's how we constantly recreate on this planet is, you know, we'll have access to an energy, so to speak, and we'll get an idea, or we'll think about someone and they'll call us, like you know, like your patient did, and that's all us. You know, connecting into a source and creating an energy, and I think people think, okay, well, you know, I can, I can live with that. I'm connected to a source. That's great. The source will do it for me.
Speaker 1:It's not true? You are the embodiment of that source, so you've chosen of how you want to interact with it and you can change your interaction with it. And so if you're born with something, it doesn't mean that you have to interact the same way with it. Am I saying, okay, you know a person that's been wheelchair bound their whole life is going to walk Well, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I think it depends on the circumstance and the person, but I think they can view themselves differently. I think they can live their patterns differently If they're living in a sabotage state.
Speaker 2:They could live without a sabotage state, and that changes anything that they're capable of doing wheelchair or not, wheelchair, that make sense, yeah yeah yeah, I mean, I could imagine it would be very easy you know if you're in a wheelchair to be a, to be a victim. Well, or to feel like a victim, that would be very easy that's a good word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the word I was looking for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but obviously, as you were saying, you don't necessarily have to. I mean, there's a guy. There's a guy that works at the gym where I work out. I think I'm guessing he was born with a spina bifida and you know he's not. I mean, sometimes I've seen him walk, but most of the time he's in a wheelchair. But he exudes confidence, right. He walks around like someone who's six foot four tall. He doesn't give off the energy of someone in a wheelchair. That's the best way that I can put it. Really, maybe that's a front. I don't know. I don't get the impression it is at all. I just get the impression that he's confident in who he is, just happens to be in a wheelchair right, yeah, and so it's an energy.
Speaker 1:Right, it's an energy. And then, uh, really, as humans, what we do, and we don't even realize this, this is how kind of unconscious we are, but at the same time, how incredibly powerful we are. So I hope people take this away. It's when you're in a situation, ask yourself you know what you're thinking and how you're feeling, because all of that is a wave, it's a message, and so start to trust it, right? And then, if you're constantly having the same thought pattern over and over again and you're realizing it for example, I don't know, you look at someone and you constantly judge them that's an internal self-judgment as well, because what we see on the outside of ourselves exists on the inside of ourselves. So if we're seeing something like confidence, it's because it exists in you as well, because we're having an interaction, a quantum wave interaction with that person, whether we're talking to them or not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if we're constantly judging somebody else, it's because the judgment lives inside of us. If we're constantly judging somebody else, it's because the judgment lives inside of us. If we're constantly putting down somebody, it's because it lives inside of us. So this actually creates a whole new conversation of how humans interact. Because when someone comes up to us, okay, and they're accusing me of something and I feel sad, I probably want to replace that sadness with something else and then, when I replace that sadness and the person comes up and accuses me of something again, perhaps I can be in a space of actually hearing their pain behind the accusation.
Speaker 2:Does that?
Speaker 1:make sense Instead of reacting, and so the more we react, the more we get sad, the more we live in fear, the more we live in anger, all these things. It's going to drain our energy and, in my opinion, it ages people. It ages people and that creates a dis-ease state disease, right, disease state, and so we know.
Speaker 1:And the bigger question is what if we never even knew anger on the planet? Like I wondered what it would look like if people just didn't even know anger existed. Right, it's a big question. But like what would it act? What would the planet look like? It look a heck of a lot different.
Speaker 1:And so when you learn to eliminate it out of yourself more and more and more, you start to fill it with things that actually benefit you more. You start to see the world differently, we start to show up differently and your energy is different in that room. So you can have impact based on who you believe you are in that space. So if you believe you can heal yourself, you're going to, you know, attract, in a way, all the people that believe they can heal themselves as well. Okay, so we attract what we are, we create what we are. And this guy you know, I would love to have a conversation with him and wonder, like, see how he views himself, because when we can see that, we know a lot of how they'll live their pain.
Speaker 1:So for any practitioner, any coach listening to this, it's so important to hear the person's story. Oftentimes we go in and we say, okay, where's your pain, I'm going to fix it Right. But, like I guess I take a little bit longer in my appointments now and I teach practitioners online as well, and what I teach them is to actually come in and say it is so important to hear the cry and the pain behind what they're presenting. So they might come in and say, okay, you know, I have lower back pain, but it's all right, just fix me up and off I go.
Speaker 1:My question would be like okay, well, where did it come in in the first place and where does it live, and why does it live there? And so the more deeper questions we ask, the more deeper answers we get and we start to learn about these people and how they've programmed themselves, whether it's conscious or not of what they're living. And if we can help them exchange that out, they don't need to carry that pain anymore. And that's my goal is to come to a space where it's like okay, I want people to be able to do this for themselves and sit there and be like okay, you know, I can actually exchange out old pain for new. Have you ever heard of homeopathy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty popular in UK as well, maybe not as much in North America, but I love it. It's similar to homeopathy. If anyone's ever taken homeopathy it's you know, a remedy that they choose for you that brings out something old in your body. So some people take remedies and so what Western medicine does is, you know, you take ibuprofen or Advil is the brand name of ours and it suppresses, you know, the inflammation in a way. What I like to look at is let's bring out the inflammation, let's exchange it out, okay, so the inflammation never has to live in there and it doesn't have to create scar tissue and so on and so forth. And same with homeopathy they choose a remedy that brings things out.
Speaker 1:So some people go on these remedies and I don't know they end up. I'm just trying to think of an example. They end up getting like eczema or something like that. Right, it's an old energy coming out that was probably suppressed in the body from a choice that they'd made in the past. Could be like an old medication that didn't suit them or an old sickness that was living in them, and so on. So the body gets really complex and let's say that old sickness lives in them. It can create some kind of disease or some autoimmune or something chronic in the future. So we I'm not saying humans are perfect and that you know they'll never have a problem, but it's constantly exchanging out. What we're creating is so incredibly important, and I do believe people need to go back and look at everything that they've ever even put in their body and ask themselves is this going to really benefit me?
Speaker 1:Um, and just as an example for um, for me, if I go to the dentist, I can't get the, I can't get frozen, whatever's in that I throw up, I have no idea what it is, but it does not suit me at all, right, and so I've had to go in. If I have to go into the dentist, um, I don't do anything, I don't do any freezing or anything like that. And, um, and they think I'm crazy. Um, but like, whatever's in that cannot live in my system, so my system rejects it, and there's a homeopathic anatomy I can take before I go into the dentist, and so on. But, um, you know, then it questions me like I can actually go into the dentist and I'm totally fine with whatever work they're doing.
Speaker 1:But you know, why do we have all that stuff that we're injecting in the first place and how is it affecting people? How is it affecting people long term? Is it actually really healthy for us to get cortisol injections constantly for pain, or should we just learn how to deal with the pain in a different way? So these are all really good questions to be asking ourselves, based on a model that we're told to live in or options that we're given, and then there's other options that people can choose as well, and I think it's important they know there's other options yeah, just getting back to looking at chronic and acute pain, I think what's quite interesting.
Speaker 2:I don't know if the studies have ever been done, but I would be quite confident. If you studied native hunter-gatherer tribes, I think you'd struggle to find chronic pain in those people.
Speaker 1:Like the ones who have trained and lifted and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about people like the Maasai warriors. They're still living in a natural environment. They're not living in the Western world, they're not pumped full of propaganda and they're not manipulated and they're not worrying about paying a mortgage and they're not worrying about paying their taxes and all that kind of stuff. They just wake up every day and think, okay, where are we going to get our food from today? And they spend a few hours doing that, and then the rest of the day they're playing with their kids. So it would be quite interesting to do that. Study those that are still living in alignment with nature, whether they had chronic pain. My guess would be, if they do, it would be a very, very small percentage of those people.
Speaker 1:I agree, it would be very, very small amount of small percentage of those people. I agree, uh, I never thought about it, but I did look up. Um, I I looked at the seven blue zones, um, during you know the blue zones, right, I don't know the seven blue zones off by heart, but, um, there's one in italy, there's california, costa rica, japan. What's the? What are the?
Speaker 1:other ones I don't know, yeah, but you know, so there's there's different. The point is there's different parts of the world and people you know living in certain ways, but there's a commonality between all of them. And I don't know about, you know, certain tribes and so on. I've never actually studied those, but I did look pretty deeply into the blue zones and when I was doing the epigenetics component and how we express ourselves in certain environments, and a big part of it was community. And so if we look, all of them had a supportive community and, you know, people had their own certain talents that they were good at, that they were able to give to the community.
Speaker 1:And I can say, um, when people do come into the clinic, I do hear a lot of loneliness and how lonely they are, um, so, so that's interesting to me and how that would play out. I don't actually know how to measure that. I'm sure there's a way, but like the loneliness and community factors is going is is quite big, um, especially, you know, when people get elderly. And then the other thing is, um, the elderly in the community you know are taken care of by the younger generation. And what do we do now?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I wouldn't do this with my family no-transcript their food that day, and that's what they do and that's their purpose. So, um, if that's fulfilling to them without all the other stressors and worries, then great. I would say too, like all the stressors we do have in our daily lives, like the taxes and mortgages and things like that, I do think that we can change our perspective of how we view it as well, and this might come down to a conversation around abundance and how we view abundance and what we actually need versus what we're trying to get. And so there's a common phrase used over in North America called keeping up with the.
Speaker 1:Joneses, is you're comparing yourself to your neighbor and trying to get everything that they want because you believe, or someone believes, that they'll have a better life if they have all these things. And one thing I've learned on that path and maybe this relates into the seven blue zones and so on is it's more about the inner fulfillment that we have in our life and how we view that and how we live it. It's more about that inner love and joy we have when our life and how we view that and how we live it. It's more about that inner love and joy we have when we're doing anything. So just a personal note, I've had everything and I've had nothing. I really have and story for maybe another day but I've actually had nothing and it was all about, you know, someone couldn't take away my integrity, they couldn't take away my character, they can't take away my values or my love for myself and so on. Does that make sense? And so you know when, when we can live that for ourselves and and I didn't I could live with pain and that, and some of the times were painful. I'm not going to lie and say it was all rainbows and lollipops, it was painful, but I can choose to view that differently and come forward as a different person. Or I could choose, like you said, to live, you know, as a in a victim mentality in a way, and over time I probably would have created something chronic, you know, if I wasn't able to get myself out of you know, an acute situation and I'll say situation because it's not always pain, it's not always, you know, breaking a leg or pulling a muscle, like those things are all you know, hunky-dory, but there's big situations in our lives too and we can choose to live those out a little bit differently as well. So they do not create something chronic in the future. Know is, you know, divorce right? So how many people do we know in our lives who've been divorced and are still living incredibly unhappy? Or they're in a marriage and they're still incredibly unhappy. They just, you know, complain, complain, complain and to me, like, all of that's a choice, everything in life's a choice. If people want to go live off grid and they think that's fulfilling, then go do it. You know, if they want to be divorced, do it. If you want to live fulfilled in a marriage, do it. It's how our perception of it is expressing, in a way, in that environment.
Speaker 1:So people will sometimes come in and blame their chronic pain on their significant other. And I can't quite fathom that. I'm like well, you know, you know they aren't causing you the pain per se, you're the one creating it, you're the one staying in the situation, and so that accountability piece is so important. And I think there's going to be a lot of naysayers will say oh, what if I'm abused, and so on. And I get it.
Speaker 1:You know, it's probably not easy to stay in situations like that and, speaking from personal experience but at some point you know you have to stand up for yourself. You have to be the one to be like I'm not going to be doing this anymore and I'm going to move forward a little bit differently. And the same goes for training. Okay, so I'm talking about all these you know life events and stuff. But like, if you train the exact same way all the time, without looking at how you want to improve or change yourself, you know you're probably going to end up with the same result, right? So go searching for ways to change, go searching for ways to improve, go searching for ways to make even little tweaks in yourself, to constantly improve, because there are going to be ways to improve out there.
Speaker 1:And then, most of all, to avoid something chronic love the journey. You know, if we're not loving the journey and everyone's showing up to the gym and training in a certain way and it got like that for me in certain things, so I stopped doing it. But you know, if I go and I train in a certain way and I'm like, okay, this isn't fun for me anymore, it's not fulfilling. One, maybe I want to look at why I'm thinking that way. Okay, because there's probably a bit of fun in there somewhere. And two, you know, maybe I change into something else. If I'm weightlifting and it's not feeling fun, maybe I go and I go dancing.
Speaker 1:You know a totally different energy, a totally different way to move my energy and to move my body, but at the same time I'm getting movement and I'm getting joy in what I'm doing. Potentially with the dancing versus the weightlifting I like both, but it's just you know, if you can see how we change our attitudes and how we show up differently to it, you can do that with anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can do that with rehab, we can do that with chronic disease, we can do that with how we're living and how we even view the whole entire world. And when we do that and we start speaking differently about it, we start to create new patterns. A new conversation starts, right, like this is a new conversation, and then we start to create different ways of living because we're having new conversations and so people can create new.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be the same old all the time which I think is wonderful, and that goes into acute pain, that goes into chronic pain and so on. You just exchange it out and live something new yeah. Makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's interesting I think you know part of the Czech philosophy is the concept of the pain teacher, so that whenever we're in pain, it's our body's way of trying to tell us something. And, to a degree, the way that I look at it is that if it's a chronic pain, the likelihood is that it's something that's subconscious, that the pain is trying to make your conscious mind aware of. And again, we've been talking about lots of different things and you talk about patterns that people are holding. Things like that With acute pain, I think, certainly in some instances no-transcript communicating to the conscious mind to teach something. But I think sometimes if it's if it's an acute injury or acute pain, it can be a bit more obvious. So it might be. Don't put your hand near the fire or be a bit more careful when you're using that chainsaw next time with the one arm you've got left, you know?
Speaker 2:or? Or be careful what you do with those scissors, right, you know it might well don't put your hand on on a on a hot plate, whatever, um. But when it comes to chronic pain, I think finding the let's call it, the root cause is more difficult. I think it's often easier to find the message in an acute situation Now that now there might be a deeper thing, and we've discussed that, right as, as you, as you said, you know why. Why does someone choose to play rugby? Why does someone choose to do MMA? Right, you know they might be injury free for four years, and then someone gets them in a hold and they sprain their ankle ligaments, right, um. But I guess what I'm trying to say is, most of the time, in my experience, chronic pain is not so obvious to work out what that thing is. That's the. That's the root cause. Just just moving on, you've mentioned quantum wave living. Can you, can you explain a bit more about what it actually is and how does it relate to eliminating chronic pain from the body?
Speaker 1:okay. So I gotta backtrack a little bit, because when I went into genetics and studying genetics, I thought, eureka, I've done it. You know I can help anyone heal. And that wasn't true at all. And why it wasn't true is because you know, everyone will keep recreating something in a moment right, creating something in a moment right. So what's a really common one these days?
Speaker 1:I'm going to go into weight loss, because weight loss looks different on everybody. You've probably worked with people with weight loss before getting them to a certain point of performance, and it's like everyone's journey around it looks a little bit different, and why they got there in the first place is going to be different. And then I thought, okay, if I pop their genetics on top of it, we'll get them really fast weight loss, um, or really easy kind of weight loss for them, and off they go. And you know, when I coupled people together in their gene pools, it actually worked. You know it did work. But the issue was, um, some people I wouldn't see them for six months and then they come back and the weight's on again and I thought, okay, great, you know we've turned off those genes and so on, but it's the habits that they were creating and that they didn't exchange out. That was creating the weight again. So I actually hadn't quite done it.
Speaker 1:In helping somebody get totally over those patterns when they were going through, let's say, weight loss, I needed to go a little bit deeper and say, well, why? And someone would say it's psychology. And I'd say, well, no, it's actually how we're interacting with ourselves on a daily basis and it goes into everything we do. It's not just psychology, it's not just psychology, it's not just genetics, it's not just nutrition, it's all of it. And so I was like, well, how do you explain that? And then, when I met Angela, she said, well, it's information, she calls it, so she calls it information stacked into a quantum wave, and you interact with everything that you deal with. And so your patterns behind what you're interacting with is what's going to create your outcome. So let's put Anne in front of a Toblerone bar.
Speaker 2:I love Toblerone bars, by the way.
Speaker 1:They're amazing. Is Anne going to be able to say no to the Toblerone bar around Christmas time? Heck, no, I love those things. So I'll have one. But let's say, you know, I eat the whole bar in one shot.
Speaker 1:Okay, why did I choose to do that? And why couldn't I stop myself? What's the pattern? And people will be like, oh and you're sabotaging yourself? Yeah, I am. But you know why did I choose to go down that path for myself and create, you know, inflammatory responses and a sugar rush and so on, and potentially turn on a diabetic gene, if I have one, and so on and so forth. So why did I choose to do that? And that's where the patterning, the quantum wave patterning, comes in, because I need to go and look at my pattern of why I chose it in that moment, and let's just call it a self-sabotage pattern. And then you know what we can do is muscle test. Where else in my life I learned to self-sabotage myself? So let's take me back to, you know, maybe four or five years old, when, for example and this happens a lot in a lot of families when somebody is upset or sad, they get a candy to feel better, or they get sugar or something to feel better.
Speaker 1:Right? Oh, here you go. I hope this makes you feel better. I'm just going to give you sweets. So maybe I'm standing in front of the Toblerone bar at age 39 and saying I don't really feel good right now. I'm going to eat this whole thing to feel good because it gives me that feeling of fulfillment. But I haven't gone back and looked at my five-year-old self, as when I was sad, my way of dealing with the sadness was eating the Toblerone bar.
Speaker 1:So we can see how people get into something chronic, can't we? Instead of calling them a name and being like, oh, they just don't work out? They probably work out, but it's like what else are they sabotaging in their life and what have they been through in their life that's creating that moment now? So the quantum way wave living method goes back to that five-year-old self and then we exchange out that particular pattern. But you know, let's go. And then we start going through their life chronologically. So at five, let's say, we exchange out that self-sabotage pattern and then we muscle test again. You know, are they living this pattern at 12, at so on. Okay, let's go to 22 years old, where the sadness was still there and this person turned into an alcoholic and started abusing their body based on alcohol. Right, because they learned a different way of sabotaging themselves. But instead of choosing, you know, the candy or whatever, they've chosen alcohol. Now, okay, and that's going to create a total different response in their body. Genes are going to express differently.
Speaker 1:We can say it'll turn into something chronic at some point. It might, it might not, um, depending on what they do. And if they don't break the pattern, they could go down a serious, deep, dark hole. And this is how it works. And so, you know, sometimes psychology would say we'll just talk about it. It and I had done that, by the way, I've been to counselors and I've talked about it, this problem, this problem. But you stay in the problem. The quantum way of living exchanges out the energy and puts in something consciously new. And we have to do it at that age to make sure it doesn't exist anymore. Because, technically, at that age, to make sure it doesn't exist anymore, because technically, time is man-made and so what we live now is potentially our past as well does that?
Speaker 1:make sense to you. So you know, here's me with that total room bar situation, like totally giving total room bars a knock on this, but I love that and um. So basically, you know we want to to take that person in that moment back to their five-year-old selves to know that they can make a different decision in this moment, and maybe to their 22-year-old selves, and so on and so forth, and it goes for every single topic that we've ever lived. This was just one easy one to explain of how people can express themselves differently based on how they're living their sadness, and their sadness might show up in that kind of self-sabotaging eating way. That's just one example out of many that I've seen, and so that's how the method works and why I believe it's the way we need to go is recreating, connecting to source, and so when I recreate myself in that moment and I connect to, let's say, source or the universe, I recreate a different outcome.
Speaker 1:So say you go, hey and Merry Christmas, here's your toddler and bi. I heard you like them and I say, oh, thanks, you know, maybe I'll have a little piece and share one with you and then just enjoy the moment of having one, but, you know, not eat the whole bar, for example. Or I might even get to the point where I say, okay, but you know, not eat the whole bar, for example. Or I might even get to the point where I say, okay, you know, I'll save it for later, these kind of things. But just going into the pattern of why I made that decision in the first place is so important. So that relates into everything that somebody does. Why are they doing it in the first place Okay.
Speaker 1:Are they doing it with joy? Are they doing it with fun? Are they doing it feeling light? If they are, then chances are they might not create some kind of injury. Some they might not create, you know, because it's fun. They're in that flow state, if you will, um. But when it becomes difficult, when they're doing it with fear, when they're doing it with anger, when they're doing it with force, you know they might overdo it in a way.
Speaker 1:And then that's where it comes up the patterns that they probably don't want to keep and we want to exchange them and I can go a little bit further, but I'll let you comment yeah, no, no, go a little bit further, please do um, well, where I wanted to go a little bit further is to help people understand how unique they really are.
Speaker 1:Because so there's you, lee, on this planet, who's a unique individual who hasn't had the same experiences as me, anne, and that makes both of us unique, which makes for like a really wonderful conversation. And on this planet, no two people have had the same experiences. You can even take twins and they'll view their life experiences different. Even if they grew up in the same household. Okay, and they're identical twins, they'll still have different experiences, different kind of ways of expressing themselves. So my whole thing on this is, when I learned that and I understood it through epigenetics, which is like Bruce Lipton's work, and how you can change your belief systems, you can change basically anything about yourself and express differently I thought, okay, so what do we do? Do we live on this planet saying we just need to exchange up these patterns and we live this kind of happy life? No, the answer is no. I think we can do a little bit more. What it's all about is really going into discovering our own unique purposes.
Speaker 1:And so, lee, you, for example, on this planet's had these unique experiences on. Then, you know, gaining on this planet has had these unique experiences and gaining all this knowledge, and you have all this wisdom. It's like how do you decide to show up to what you choose to do? You can choose to do whatever you wanna do, whatever job you wanna do, but it's how you show up and interact with your environment. That is your purpose. So a lot of people, what I hear today is they're showing up with with anger, or they're showing up, you know, depressed, or they're showing up sad, and my wish for them is to discover who they actually really are behind all of that, because I think there's people who have really great abilities to nurture one another, to guide one another. Like to me, you seem like a guide, like you can really help people through what they need to be helped through, and so we need guides, we need nurturers, we need people who have creativity.
Speaker 1:We need all of this stuff, and how it expresses is up to the person, but when they truly know their purpose, they can live and actually serve their community a lot better. And it changes the community. It community it's, you know, not this kind of depressive sort of state that I mean. I I'm gonna just say it. A lot of people are really living these days. They're showing up and they're, they're really negative and they're upset. Those are all their patterns that they don't even need to live anymore. They can exchange out and show up in a way where it's like, wow, I love what I'm doing, I'm to share, I'm here to give and receive in my environment and, you know, I'm going to help the younger generation, I'm going to help.
Speaker 1:And then, if we look at the big picture of this, that can create loads of change in the future rather than just being angry and passing on the anger to whoever's in our environment. Does that make sense? Yeah, and so that's why I believe this work's important, because it not only changes how someone lives in their body and the pain that they live, but it can create, you know, a whole new way of living. In a way, we can create communities that are very supportive and safe and secure. If we live that safe and security, we can create trust again, and it has to come from within first, and we have to actually live it to have it. Um. And so I think a lot of us are looking for the external to change, and it won't change until we change the internal first yeah, yeah, absolutely now what if that's too much?
Speaker 1:you can cut that no, no, no it's.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was kind of imagining what the world could potentially be like and it felt what I was kind of imagining was like a utopia right. Which actually leads me quite nicely onto my next question. If we were living in a utopian world, how do you see practitioners being trained to learn these types of methods to help people get over their pain?
Speaker 1:Okay, great question. I believe practitioners, myself included, so I'm going to speak from my own journey because I think that's the best way to share, because I know mine best Um, we have to know ourselves really well first. And, um, there's practitioners out there who, you know, really want to heal others and and I love it because I think they get in it for the right reasons and um, and I think there's a lot of people out there that want to help others, whether you call them a healer practitioner, whatever, think there's a lot of people out there that want to help others, whether you call them a healer practitioner, whatever, um, but until that internal journey, work of exchanging patterns, comes out, they, they may not see the patient differently than how they do now. And so I've created a practitioner's program now I'm gonna prelude and I've actually been teaching it for the last year, but I needed to really refine it and make it good, you know, to put it out there. And I'm actually doing my first one that I've launched properly on a website and not just word of mouth and things like that, in February. And so the process is and I'll share the process with you because it might interest you is that people come through and they start to learn how to go through patterns that we were talking about and how to read patterns and how to test for patterns and so on. But whose patterns do we work on our own? Um, so I group people off and I have them working on their own and I needed to test this first to make sure it would work.
Speaker 1:So I had small groups go through practitioners do group work going through and it worked. They used the concept, they helped one another get through their patterns and then off they went, and we won't see consciously other people's patterns until we've really deeply gone through our own and then, when you're not living it, you know you can see it. You're like, oh my gosh, this person's totally replaying their pain all the time. I used to do that, but I don't have those patterns anymore, so I've exchanged those out, but I can really recognize them in someone else and help someone, and so that's the practitioner way in my belief. Like, I still think we'll need people to guide people through.
Speaker 1:I think coaches are amazing to have on this planet. I've loved all my coaches and when they truly know themselves and can stay in a place of you know, safety and nonjudgment, because it can be confronting for people to look at parts of themselves and be like, oh my gosh, I've been living that my whole life, like. And then some people really love living it and they don't want to exchange it because they're so attached to it. That does happen. So it's like how does a practitioner deal with that when you know someone has I call it a quantum tantrum and they, you know, throw a little temper tantrum of who they are, because it does happen, because it's so ingrained with them that they want to keep that pattern. It's very challenging for them. So you know how can I support practitioners in exchanging that out and those times where they do feel like it's maybe a bit more confronting.
Speaker 1:So my first step in it is they go through their own patterns and then they take two other people through their patterns and there's ways to know how complete they are and what they're living and so on, and then they present a case study based on their patient's patterns. And the more someone practices this, just the better. We get like anything. And so when we bring these patterns to the table and share them with other practitioners, we all learn together. And in a practitioner's world there's two types to me. There's people who want to share and build community, and then there's people who want to keep all their kind of trade secrets to themselves or whatever.
Speaker 1:Down with the part two, I just don't operate that way. So my whole thing was how can I share this method to practitioners, how can they create community to help one another through this and how can we, you know, basically help all the people in the world, because everyone's going to really need some level of this one way or another to start, you know, eliminating pain, chronic disease on the planet and so on, and so you know. So that's really how I see it going now. Will it change, maybe? And then can these practitioners get to a point where they train other practitioners? I really hope so. And then can that also change how we deliver some of our schooling? I hope so. So it's a big vision that I have, but you know, you just have to start and see where it goes. That's my thoughts, yeah that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Are there any resources or books that you found useful to learn the methods that you use?
Speaker 1:yeah, angela has a quantum wave living workbook. In fact I have it. She's sitting right beside me. You have to excuse me, I'm just going. It looks like this. There it is um, and so there's some words in there. When I started that I didn't quite understand. She has quite a creative mind, um, and I had to kind of I needed a coach actually to really go through it. But it's a good tool to learn what patterns not to start living. And she starts out with what are called survival patterns in the book. It's accuse, blame, complain, lie, hide, deny, justify and judging and defending ourselves. And if we believe we constantly have to live in these states, they drain our energy all the time.
Speaker 1:So think about it. If we've lived in a defending state, just think about having to defend yourself 24-7 and you're living that pattern unconsciously. That's a really unsafe pattern probably to have. It's going to be really energy draining, right. So it's a way we're constantly viewing our world. We're always on edge, we're always looking, you know, for something bad to happen or we have to defend ourselves or so on. It's going to be a really, yeah, energy draining pattern to live. So we can replace those out and those survival patterns I relate into people staying and living in their fight flight or freaks, and so when they exchange those ones out, even to begin with and I would tell everybody to do those, I mean even sometimes I come back and do them on a daily we can actually start to live a little bit more calm and have more space in our body to bring in other information because we're not living so stressed all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she starts off with those patterns and then she took a Chinese medicine model actually, and broke it down into different patterns in relation to the organs. So, for example, like liver, gallbladder would be more, you know, angry and lack of clarity. And then she's broken down it into it's called a Bathwave model. So Bathwave stands for beliefs, actions, thoughts, habits, words, attitudes, values and emotions and you go through each one to replace those and she explains you know how to replace it on your own and how you can muscle test on your own, and then people can start there if they want. And then you know they can get coaching when, whenever they want.
Speaker 1:The practitioners model that I'm teaching does incorporate some of this book and then I incorporate some of the epigenetics model as well so that they can know kind of who they're talking to and what patterns they might expect to come up, because it's a little bit predictable based on how we've, like, perceived our world and then how to get them through that on the other side. And so these are basic patterns that people can start with and then eventually, once they get the technique down, they can start getting into okay, you know, I have this client here in my room, or this patient, how am I going to exchange out their hip pain and what does it mean? You know, it's not going to mean the same thing as it was to me and the same pattern line as it is to me as it was to them. So how do I figure that out? And that's a bit of the deeper work that they can go on as well, yeah yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:When you mentioned those patterns, the first thing that came into my mind was politicians okay what about them? Well, let's, if you list those patterns, again, can you list them?
Speaker 1:again accused, blame, complain, lie, hide, deny, justify and judging is that not what they do all the time? Yeah, but then what are we doing, right? Yeah, and that's their patterns. And so, oh geez. I mean, if I put in the way that I live my values on top of it, I would say what would I do if a lying politician came and asked for help?
Speaker 1:from me, what would I actually do and my values would actually be? I would help them through their patterns because maybe on the other side of it, and maybe they've done some really nasty things in their life. But if we keep putting people you know, in jail, for example, and so on, and they don't have the tools to like turn their life around, what are we actually doing, you know? Are we really helping them through their patterns or are we just saying, well, good luck, you know you did this, so you'll be punished? I mean, they probably already are punishing themselves if they're asking for help, right? So to me, it's about helping the human. If they're asking for help, no matter who are and whether or not I agree, um, I can't really picture any of them coming and asking for help. But hey, you know you know, that was my point.
Speaker 2:They, that's exactly what they do need, right? A lot of people imagine, yeah, you imagine, if politicians and well, puppetitions, I think we, we should call them and the people, and the people pulling their strings, you know, we could, we could live in a very different world if they all managed to deal with those patterns, right?
Speaker 1:Well, let's even go a step further. If they dealt with their patterns, would they even want to be a politician?
Speaker 2:anymore, exactly.
Speaker 1:Right, or like what would communities actually look like and how would we even want to be a politician anymore, right? Or like what would communities actually look like and how would we be able to benefit people differently if those patterns and and I'm gonna just the pattern, I do see a lot in that whole political field is control, right, and so, uh, it's about really controlling others and and all of us, you know, if anyone's even watching this replace, like, if they believe they have to be in control of somebody else. We need to replace that in ourselves first, um, and when we do, then we can even start, you know, creating differently as well.
Speaker 2:We don't even have to wait for them, you know yeah, they can do their thing, yeah I think we could definitely do a whole episode on that one I've got. I've got loads of things going through in my head. We're resigning that, but let's, let's, uh, let's leave it there, um, and and what's, what's next for you? What have you got in the pipeline?
Speaker 1:um, so come january, um, I'm going to step out of clinical for a little while, uh, cause I've been in clinical now for 10 years and I'm going really into this new practitioners program. So the first program I'm opening is for 35 people only. I wanted to take a small group through and just make sure that I'm delivering really well and giving them the tools that they need, and so I have a brand called LifeLift. It's out of the US and it is a coaching program, and how many people do I have signed up so far? I don't know. I think I have around 10 people, 10 practitioners, that are signed up and ready to go for February 2025. And I'm taking them on a journey of 12 weeks.
Speaker 1:So it is, it is work. You know, it's not just one of those quick kind of programs. It's a dedicated program that's going to really help people change out patterns and and I do have the part in there that I was speaking about of them taking two other people on the journey because I think the application is so important. So I actually have a teaching degree and I decided to use it. That's what I'm doing. So there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I created this little curriculum and I'm delivering it come February. I'm super stoked about it because I think it's a tool that people can apply in their clinic setting and I even have a way for them to set it up financially so that they know how to sell it, they know the wording to use and so on, you know, because we do probably need to understand a little bit about that and people need to understand what they're getting themselves into as well. So there's a lot of clarity around that and, yeah, that's that's really what I'm doing come January. So I'll be on the road a little bit, I'll be traveling a little bit and the program is delivered online. So I'll be doing that online with a bunch of practitioners and super excited and honestly, I want to go a little bit hiking in some warm places. So you know, that's on the list too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sounds great, and where can people find you online, anne?
Speaker 1:Oh gosh. Uh, lifeliftlive is our website, and then I am on, I'm on FYIL, so I'm on Facebook. Um, we have a lifelift page. Uh, instagram, I think, is lifeliftcommunity.
Speaker 1:Um, and I'm going to make a joke after all of this and, um, I, yeah, linkedin is is just my name. If people want to connect and find me, I don't mind, I do check it from time to time. Um, yeah, linkedin is is just my name. If people want to connect and find me, I don't mind, I do check it from time to time. Um, the funny part is I'm not a big, uh, social media person at all, um, but you know, as you're growing an online business, it's, you know, my team was like come on in, and I said, okay, yeah, I'll do it. And so people will see that some of the pages are quite new and that's why, because, you know, we just put it out there. So, yeah, it's growing. I have a beautiful community on our email list as well, so people go to the website. That's how I always used to do. It was just via email list, but now we're, you know, breaking into the good old social media, so it's beneficial.
Speaker 2:Awesome, awesome, breaking into the good old social media, so it's beneficial, awesome, awesome. And thank you so much for your time. It's been a really interesting and educational conversation, but just thanks very much for your time.
Speaker 1:Thanks for having me Appreciate it, my pleasure.
Speaker 2:So that's all from Anne and me for this week, but don't forget to join me same time, same place next week on the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for tuning in, remember to give the show a rating and a review, and I'll see you next time.
