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140 - Were Vaccines Really the Reason Deadly Diseases Declined? with Roman Bystrianyk
In this episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, I’m joined by Roman Bystrianyk, co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History. We dive deep into the official mortality data from the 1800s and early 1900s to uncover the truth about what really caused the decline of deadly diseases.
For decades, we've been told that vaccines were the key factor in reducing mortality from diseases like smallpox, measles, and diphtheria. But is that claim supported by historical evidence? Roman presents the actual statistics that paint a very different picture—one that mainstream narratives often ignore.
In this conversation, we discuss:
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Debunking the History of Deadly Disease
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Uncovering Historical Vaccination Data
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Examining Historical Disease Mortality Trends
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Analyzing Vaccination Trends and Misconceptions
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Examining Vaccine Impact on Mortality
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Life in 19th Century London
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Public Health Revolution in the 1800s
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Exploring Disease Causation and Prevention
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Promoting Health and Spreading Awareness
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Measles and whooping, cough and scarlet fever, and these diseases were big killers in the 1800s but then plummeted literally plummeted over the decades from around 1875 until the mid 1900s. So over that time the death rate for measles declined by almost 100% before the vaccine was introduced in England in 1968.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out. Identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed, and it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show, why I do what I do and why we have this show. Welcome to another episode of the Radical Health Rebel podcast, where we challenge mainstream narratives and dig deep into the real history of health.
Speaker 3:Today, I'm joined by Roman Bistrianic, co-author of Dissolving Illusions, disease Vaccines and the Forgotten History history, to discuss a topic that might shake the very foundation of what many believe about infectious disease and public health. We've all been told that vaccines were the driving force behind the dramatic decline in deadly diseases of the past, but is that really true? What if the official mortality statistics tell us a completely different story. In this episode, roman lays out the historical data showing what truly caused the terrible diseases of the 1800s and early 1900s, why those diseases eventually disappeared and, most importantly, just how much of a role if any vaccines really played in that decline. If you want to see the actual graphs and figures that back up this discussion, be sure to watch the episode either on our Rumble channel or on our Substack, where Roman presents the hard evidence that challenges conventional wisdom. This is a conversation that could completely change the way you see public health, so stay tuned. Roman Bistrianic, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. Thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. I'm wearing my lumberjack shirt to keep myself warm here in New England Awesome awesome.
Speaker 3:So, Roman, to kick things off, can you begin by giving the listeners an overview to your background prior to writing your book? Dissolving Illusions?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I have a background in engineering. I really did software for many, many years, writing code for large, large systems, writing code for large, large systems, and I had no interest in vaccines really at all. But around 30 years old I realized my health was not good and I went through a series of different epiphanies about how to fix my health and along the way I ended up listening to various radio programs and I settled in on this guy called Gary Null out of New York City, and so I was listening to his various health programs and he always had very interesting topics, very smart guy, you know, very logical, and so I liked that and he didn't. He wasn't, like you know, screaming and yelling like a lot of people seem to be doing these days, and he just presented just they presented information, and sometimes I thought he was crazy and I would go check the information. I was like, oh yeah, that's actually true.
Speaker 1:So, um, he would have, uh, various uh shows on, uh, neurological damage and autism, um, from time to time I really don't remember exactly because it was 30 years ago and so I was listening to these programs and I thought, you know, I got young kids or they were just about on their way. I don't remember exactly now and I'm thinking you know this is a problem, but in the back of my mind I don't know where I knew this from is that vaccines saved us from endless plagues of death. So there were these diseases like whooping cough that used to kill people by the millions, and then vaccines came along and now we don't have whooping cough anymore. You know, et cetera, et cetera, and that that was just kind of my belief system. Again, I don't really know where that came from. It just was there's almost like a societal consciousness.
Speaker 1:So when he was, they were talking about these various presenters, because he would have guests on the show talking about neurological damage. I thought, well, this is horrible, but I'm sure there's people working on making them safer, so I don't really have to really worry about it too much. But it was was still still bothered me. So I picked up a few books on um vaccines Uh, I don't really recall all of them. So I, you know, I read some of them and page through some of them. And again, this was not my background.
Speaker 1:I, you know, I'm a software guy and I have a background in engineering and, uh, I picked up one book by Neil Miller, a very small green pamphlet book, and I was paging through it and in there he had a chart showing mortality decline for measles by 95 percent before there was a vaccine. And I thought, well, this guy's crazy, that can't be true. Yeah, this, this guy's crazy, that can't be true. Yeah, this guy's nuts. I took the book and threw it on my coffee table and just forgot about it for a couple of days. But I had this nagging feeling I should go check it.
Speaker 1:And so I went to a local library and I found an almanac and on the third one I found mortality declined every 10 years for measles and maybe some other diseases, I don't remember. Anyway, I put it on my little piece of graph paper and I charted it and I was like that's basically correct, this chart is right. And I sat there and I just stared at it because it was such a belief shock. I was like that's's, you know, I just couldn't make sense of it. It just didn't make any sense because I should know that you know, why don't I know this information?
Speaker 1:there's other things. Uh, over the last years before that, I found out certain things that I should know and I didn't know. It was always these like oh really, how come I don't know that? So this was one of those, and I just sat there for a while and, looking at my little hand-drawn chart, then I thought, well, maybe the almanacs are wrong. I was desperate to make sure my belief system was still intact Connecticut and Yale Medical and I decided I'm just going to go visit. And I went in there and I didn't know if they would let me in. But I went up to the guard and said I'm here to use the medical library. And he's like okay, I just signed here, signed, got a sticker and went in. I had no idea what I was looking for.
Speaker 1:Ended up going to the first room and there was all these reference books and one of them was US vital statistics and I was like, well, that probably has real data in it. So I started paging through those and I and there was dozens and dozens of these books over the various years, starting in the year 1900. And so I would page through them, looking for mortality statistics for measles, and I found them in for 1910 to 1914, these different timeframes, and because there wasn't one spot with all the data, it just was accumulated over time. So I just photocopied those pages and went through all these books and, uh, being an engineer you know, I took this stuff back and I hand typed all the data into a spreadsheet and I had to go back one or two times to get more data because I didn't get all the years. Uh, eventually I had all the years, not only you know all the data for not only measles but whooping cough and you know several other diseases which I never really thought about much at all.
Speaker 1:And anyway, so I, you know, I charted my, I did my first chart on measles and I was just, I was blown away. We had a decline of over 98% in mortality from measles before there was a vaccine. And I still didn't want to believe it. And but there it was. And I verified the data, double, triple checked, made sure everything is exactly right and there was no error. It had to be right.
Speaker 1:And I found the same thing for whooping cough. Whooping cough declined by 90 plus percent before there was a vaccine. And it just made me ask a bunch of questions like why don't I know this? And if it wasn't the vaccine, what did cause the decline in mortality? And, uh, it just launched me on this whole you know quest, which took quite a few years because I had a, you know, I had a real life and real things going on in my job, you know, as a computer programmer building you know whatever systems I was working on and so. But it really got me very curious and I ended up going to various medical libraries and getting more data. And I ended up getting data from a guy in England and I don't remember who it was.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately, cause I never really thanked him, but uh, he sent me a CD and from the CD I was able to get the data, which was a big pain in the butt, cause it wasn't so easy to do. Um, because I was organized and then I was able to find historical data, because England, the United States, began gathering statistics in 1900. England started in 1838. So I had a much wider range of a longer time period. So I was able to find various historical pieces and put together the data from 1838 until 1900. And then the CD that I got picked it up from there. So eventually I got enough data that I could chart that.
Speaker 1:And that was even more dramatic because measles and whooping cough and scarlet fever and these diseases were big killers in the 1800s but then plummeted, literally plummeted over the decades from around 1875 until the mid-1900s. So over that time the death rate for measles declined by almost 100% before the vaccine was introduced in England in 1968. This is not like, oh well, you know, vaccines did most of the work or part of the work. It did virtually nothing. And same thing with whooping cough down by 99.7% from the peak to the point where they started vaccinating in 1957. It's like and it's. It's so shocking that it's so blatantly obvious that we shouldn't be really messing around with this stuff, since these diseases were not a big deal by the time they started vaccinating At least as far as mortality statistics go and that's really the real valid statistics there's not really very good tracking of incidence, and incidence is very subject to definition changes.
Speaker 3:Maybe we'll come on to that, because then I probably I was a bigger one in that, in that arena. Um so, yeah, go ahead, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just going to mention then the scarlet fever, which was a uh, bigger killer than muses or whooping cough, like uh, over two times bigger in the 1800s, and it was called the fell destroyer and everybody knew somebody who died from scleral fear because it was so pervasive. And by the mid, 1900s, the mortality rate was zero and there's no vaccine. So there's no vaccine for that, but we need the vaccines for the other things for some reason for that but we need the vaccines for the other things for some reason.
Speaker 1:So then you also had tuberculosis, or they used to call it consumption or the white plague, and more people died from that than really anything else, and the death rate for tuberculosis or consumption or the white plague was five to seven times bigger than whooping, cough or measles, but you never hear about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they eventually came out with a bcg vaccine and antibiotics yeah I had the bcg, unfortunately uh, and by that point you know death rates had fallen by 98 or so. And uh, when you look at the trend line of mortality for that particular introduction of the antibiotics and the BCG vaccine, there's no noticeable decrease in the death trend. It basically stays the same. So were they really useful for anything? Doesn't seem that way, just based on data, you know. If you don't, if you don't, you know, if you don't trust the data I mean you know, then you're just trusting your belief system. And unfortunately, none of this data is ever shared by any governments or medical organizations. And it's their data, it's their data. They should be sharing it. It should be on the CDC website.
Speaker 1:Here's a chart and, as a matter of fact, a few years ago somebody sent me a link to vital statistics from the 1960s and on page 85 of that you could see the same chart I would create decades later on the measles and these other diseases. And they all show all infectious diseases declined through 1900 until the mid-1900s. That's everything the flu, pneumonia, everything declined all at the same time, which tells you something, doesn't it? It's not just like, oh oh, one disease went down and the other one stayed the same. They all declined and basically vanished. So by the mid-1900s and you can find some writing on it. But by the mid-1900s infectious diseases were not considered a threat. They were considered very minor part of mortality statistics and and people recognized or some people recognized it was basically the change in society that did it. But then we started vaccinating for these other things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so far we've got to look at the current paradigm, but it's been the paradigm for quite a while, whenever it was 1700s, probably earlier than that, up until the modern day when antibiotics and vaccines came out, that you know, everyone was dropping dead from so-called infectious diseases, right, and then, because of modern medicine, it saved millions and millions of lives. That's kind of what most people, certainly in the Western world, tend to believe as facts, isn't it? That would be true, right.
Speaker 1:And that ends up being a fairy tale. It's not even close to being true. That's what's shocking, it's not? They did some some good.
Speaker 1:In the late 70s there was a scare about whooping cough vaccine to DTB vaccine, which was actually a very dangerous vaccine, caused neurological damage and so vaccination rates dropped off in England and by that point the mortality rate was very low, before they started even vaccinating. So as vaccination rates dropped, there was no increase in mortality rate. And then the medical system panicked and they got the vaccination rates back up to the even higher, like 90%, 80, 90%, but there was no change in mortality rate, no-transcript. So they suspended national vaccination and there was no increase in death rate from whooping cough. And, by the way, by the time they suspended or they started vaccinating whooping cough, anybody who got natural whooping cough it was a very mild disease. It wasn't something you had to worry about. All these diseases were mild diseases, which tells you something else too, right? So yeah, because they're all mild, you know it's, it's a, it's something must have been a very common factor to make all these diseases mild and the mortality rate to drop to near zero when I I remember having measles.
Speaker 3:I remember having chicken pox. I remember having German measles. I don't remember having we pronounce it whooping cough Right whooping cough yeah. I don't remember having that. But I definitely remember measles because I remember thinking, really I'm having time off school because I've got a few spots on my face. I didn't feel ill at all. Right right, right, you know. And and a lot of people of a certain age remember the brady bunch episode where they all had a measles party, sure it wasn't considered a big deal.
Speaker 1:Um, the british medical journal in the 50s had a statement that a particular clinic or doctor's office had, over the last 10 years, had seen measles but never had any serious problems with that. It wasn't a big deal by the 50s. But that's not what you would be told today. You know you'd be told it's a death disease and you're screwed. You would be told today. You know you'd be told it's a death disease and you're you're screwed. Yeah, so um yeah I even heard.
Speaker 3:I heard I think it was last year. I'm guessing you've heard of vandenbosch no, I'm sorry. No, it doesn't he, he used to work for garvey.
Speaker 3:You know the um although the nice, nice, nice organization, yeah sure yeah, I mean to be fair, he was calling out the, the covid injectable, but he was basically having a an argument with del big tree you know, del big tree from the high wire, sure, and and basically gert vanderbosch was saying if, if we stopped vaccinating kids for measles, basically humanity is doomed, we will just be wiped out because no one's got any defense against it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what I believed before. But there would certainly be a panic, there would be a blowback. When people panic and they get fearful, they're going to get sicker and all this stuff is tied to your health state. So, as Dr Klenner figured out in the 1950s that he could just give vitamin C to people with measles and other conditions, and they got through measles just fine, vitamin C to people with measles and other conditions, and they got through measles just fine. So if you had enough vitamin C, nice, nice enough vitamin A because they found out that vitamin A, they called it the anti-infective vitamin Then you had no problems. So is it? You know, we tend to think that measles is this microbe problem out here, right? Or whooping cough is just this microbe problem out here, when, because of the data showing collapse of mortality rate, it's not really. Even if there's a microbe, let's say there is okay, but the majority of the improvement is because the health of the people improved. So it's really a nutritional disease more than anything else.
Speaker 2:There's no other way to explain the massive mortality decline before there was a vaccine, or without any vaccine in the case of, let's say, scarlet fever.
Speaker 1:And same thing with tuberculosis, because how many people get tuberculosis? How many people get the BCG vaccine? Almost nobody.
Speaker 3:It's been stopped, hasn't it pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's interesting as well that conditions like rickets and scurvy and beriberi they werera scurvy were all considered infectious and you know, you can imagine that made sense to people centuries ago. You know, somebody goes on a ship and then everybody starts having problems and their legs turn black and their teeth fall out and it's like, oh, you know, I caught scurvy. You know, kind of made sense and all these other diseases seem like they were being spread around. But ultimately scurvy is vitamin C deficiency you got berry, berry and pellagra are just B vitamin deficiencies and even though there were people pushing that there was a virus for those, but ultimately for various reasons they lost out to the nutritional theory. And now we don't even think about beriberi or scurvy or pellagra. Those are like of only historical interest. We don't even think those diseases were a problem. They're gone. So who cares? And same thing with tuberculosis. Nobody really talks about that, even though that was a killer five to seven times bigger than these other diseases that we're all panicky about yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3:you know, I've been having let's call it debates with people for many years about you know, these, these injectables, and it's quite interesting that quite often what they suggest to me is that correlation doesn't mean causation. So you can show them a chart with the increase of certain injectables and then you show them a chart of a particular disease and they're almost like for like and they'll say, well, correlation doesn't mean causation. But yet when it comes to the cause of the illness, all of a sudden correlation does equal causation yeah, it's you know, you, you believe something, and then you figure out what supports your belief system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why I was sitting in a library with my beliefs on, tattered on the ground, like, oh, that you know why I could, I can't be wrong. Why am I wrong? Right, and yeah, that's something I studied either. So, but if you're deeply embedded into an ideology and somebody tells you that something else you're like, well, that must be wrong, I must be right. It's a, it's a human thing, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Confirmation bias isn't it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, extreme confirmation bias. So you know, I've shown people charts with the 99% decline in mortality for measles or whichever disease and they just stare at it and it just hits the. You can see them like spinning around and then they would just move on to a different topic. Yeah, yeah, it's a shock. It's a shock to everybody. It was a shock to me, yeah, um. But uh, you know, I just follow the data, I follow the history and uh, that's where I decided to start writing this stuff down. I wasn't initially writing a book, I was just writing down the stuff, trying to make sense of what happened and what's the actual truth. And then I eventually I said, well, maybe I should write this into a book. No one seems to know this stuff for some reason. It's like it's public data. How come everybody doesn't know? Yeah, um, so that's kind of kind of got me very interested in the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Do you know? It's a similar story to me in 2020, funnily enough. So at the time, I was working in a facility in central London. I'd recently moved to where I live now, so it was quite it's quite a long commute into London from where I live now, and so we go into lockdown. So all of a sudden, I can't work with my clients because I'm not supposed to go anywhere. Plus, the facility is closed, right? So I'm someone that I like to find the truth of things, I like to be factual and I like numbers. I think numbers can tell you quite a lot. So I spent 16 hours a day, day, seven days a week, for seven weeks researching what was really going on. Now I'd already been very skeptical about injectables for a long period of time and I started doing like these little 90 minute videos, trying to say to people look, be careful who you believe, right, because we know politicians lie, we know the media no, no, politicians never lie.
Speaker 1:I don't want your attention so anyway.
Speaker 3:So I started doing these 90 minute videos just trying to kind of warn people and, um, the more information I got, I kept sharing more and more information and and, interestingly enough, a lot of the graphs that you're talking about I was finding right, and whether I'd seen them before 2020 or not, I can't remember, maybe not. And it got to the end of seven weeks and I thought I've just got a ton of information. You imagine spending 16 hours a day, seven days a week, for seven weeks. I know how that is. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I thought I need to do something with this information and I said I can't make it into videos because that takes too long and scripting, and then you've got to edit the videos and because I've written books, I thought I'll make it into a book. And the other thing I thought was I don't want to charge people for it, I just want people to know the truth. So I just made it available online like a, like a little ebook. Nothing, nothing too flashy, um, but it's interesting that you know. Obviously I've looked on your website and as I'm looking through, I'm seeing all these graphs, and these graphs are completely familiar to me because they're graphs that I I don't know if I found them in those seven weeks or I'd found them previously, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've gotten around a bit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what I think would be quite useful is if you could perhaps show some of those graphs. So, just for the people that are listening, I'm going to put a link in the show notes to Roman's website where you can find these graphs. But also you'll be able to watch this on my Rumble channel as well, so you'll be able to see what Roman's going to share with us now. So do you want to share some of the data on some of the kind of key illnesses and the death statistics there? We go.
Speaker 1:There we go. Okay, so there's some contact information. We'll skip over that. So this is a mortality chart. So you have deaths per 100,000 on the y-axis and on the x-axis you have the years that's time right axis, and on the x-axis you have the years that's time right. So that's your mortality trend over time, and each point is a an aggregate of all these people that die from a particular disease and then normalized to deaths per hundred thousand. Now, this is what I talked about.
Speaker 3:This is a 1960s so roman, just to just to clarify that for people listening. So the mortality trend from 1900 to 1968, it goes up and down, but if you draw a line through the middle it's quite a strong curve going downwards, right right.
Speaker 1:So this is what I'm showing here is what a mortality trend line is right. Yeah yeah, so here's the link to, to, just a link. I think it's on the next page anyway. So this is the 1960 cdc document. On a page 85 you'll see that top black and white chart that somebody hand drew compared to the chart I would create decades later, the green chart or the bottom, and they're they're an exact match. So that just that just confirms my data is correct, which I already know it's correct.
Speaker 1:But it just helped gives people more confirmation yeah, so those original, those original drawings is what I've, what I found myself uh, yeah, so uh, on the website you have how I made each of the charts where all the references are, and here's the link to that cdc I assume it's still there. Um, uh, document, and on page 85 you can see deaths from measles and whooping cough and the flu and you can see just in this picture everything was declining. Yeah, so now we'll go. You know, we just talked about the measles deaths and we can see in 1963 they came out with a vaccine that were already down by over 98%. You can see it's just trailing off to not a big deal.
Speaker 3:I always think of an analogy when I look at grass like that. Being English, I'm into football, or what you'd call soccer. Sure, and imagine if there's a player in the team and they've got the ball and they dribble around everyone else in the opponent's team stop the ball on the goal line and allow one of their teammates to score the goal right yeah well, who? Who was responsible for the goal? Was it the guy who actually scored the goal? Was it the guy who ran?
Speaker 1:the whole team, right, uh, the guy who scored the goal, obviously, uh, yeah, so, uh, this is the the first chart I made, which was really just a shocker. I mean, it's clear that most of the work had already been done before they started vaccinating, right? And here's England Again. They started in 1838. And you could see, deaths per 100,000 were quite high 30 to 60. Actually, earlier on it was 70 per 70 per hundred thousand and you could see, around late 1800s it starts plummeting. There's there's a couple of gaps in there, because I didn't get all the data for every year, because when you're trying to look through historical documents, you don't always find everything. Uh, so then they came out the vaccine in 1968 and you're already down at that flat line, down by almost 100 percent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, this is what I used to believe, that there was deaths from diseases, and then they came out with a vaccine, right, and it just dropped off. This is the belief system I had and what most people have. This is, you know, completely, this is not real. This is a fantasy. It's not what happened. What happened is this this is what happened. This is not true at all in any way, shape or form, although this is what you're led to believe, because and I talk to lots of parents and people when they go to the doctor's office, they get their shots for their kids and they're just either given or they're told well, if you don't get it, you're going to die. There's no discussion. They're not giving any data, they're simply told this is what we're doing today, or well, if you don't do it, you could die, your kid could die.
Speaker 3:But they don't tell you or they're not allowed to go to school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but why? Because you're going to spread the disease and everyone's going to die. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And social services might come after you for being a bad parent.
Speaker 1:But the main underlying reason is because people think everyone's going to die If you spread measles around. We're going to go back to the time when people were just dropping dead in the streets. And so here's an example of a place Nutrition Reviews in 2000, where they noticed in Glasgow 99% decline in mortality from measles before there was a vaccine. So you can find it in the medical literature, but not very often. Whooping cough in the United States, bigger killer early 1900s came out with a vaccine in the 40s. We're down by 92%. 1800s came out with a vaccine in the 40s we're down by 92%. And then when we look at the trend line so we have a trend line now where did the vaccine come in? You can't tell from the picture. There's no big drop-off. As a matter of fact, it came in here when 90% of the work was already done and the trend line continues on as if nothing ever happened. Whooping cough in England 1957 vaccine already down. You can just look at the picture. You're down almost 100%. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I still look at these charts and go, wow, this is so shockingly insane that no one knows this and or virtually no one knows, and more people know now. But it's just, it's you know. Everybody should know this, and everybody can go to the website. This is all public information. So when you go to the website, this is all public information. So when you go to the website, you can use those charts to do anything you want. You can write your own books, you can make a video. Um, because it's public, it's public knowledge. I just put it into a chart form. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Uh, and this was recognized in a particular book from 2012. Uh, and this was recognized in a particular book from 2012. And here they noticed that you had a basically 97% decline in before there was a vaccine in the book.
Speaker 1:So I'm not the only one to ever notice this, but it's rarely noticed and it's almost never mentioned yeah uh, and we talked about earlier, that here's in this particular case is not normalized to deaths per hundred thousand, it's just the total deaths. So 1900 you had 10 000, 12 000 deaths per year, and000. It's just the total deaths. So 1900, you had 10,000, 12,000 deaths per year and it's going down, down, down. By the time 1957 came along it's near zero. And this is what they had a DTP scare in the 70s and you have a big drop in vaccination rate. The right-hand Y-axis shows you a percent of vaccination coverage and it plummeted it down to 30%.
Speaker 1:Panic ensued in the medical profession. They got that back up to over 90% coverage. What you'll notice is there's no real difference in death rate. Not everybody started coughing in the streets, coughing up blood and everybody's dying and nothing happens. Supposedly there were more cases of whooping cough, but that's simply testing for a bacteria. You're testing for this Bordetella pertussis bacteria and if no one's vaccinating, more people are now testing. So now they're looking for it and once you have the vaccine vaccine doctors don't look for what because they assume the vaccine is taken care of it. So you no longer look for or develop pertussis.
Speaker 3:So now whooping cough incidents would drop off yeah, yeah, one thing one thing that I I wondered as well was you know, sometimes you do see, for instance, they might say there's a there's a drop in incidence of an illness because someone's been vaccinated against it. But what I think probably happens quite a lot is that someone goes to their medical doctor with a complaint and they say oh well, you've had your measles vaccine, so it's definitely not measles Right, rather than actually working out what, what the illness is it's, it's quite, it's quite.
Speaker 1:You know, it's a. It's a psychological phenomenon, right, I'm protected. Why would I look for that, right? Um, but you know, when they go to look for the bordella pertussis which is supposed to be the cause of what minkoff, which is not really true uh, sure it's, it can play a role in it, because if you get bacteria into your lungs that might be a problem. But your health state is much more important. What's your vitamin C levels? Vitamin A levels You're getting plenty of sunshine vitamin D levels, then you don't have a real problem. In 1995, there was an article where they looked at 500 cases of whooping cough natural whooping cough and the conclusion is it's, it's generally a very mild disease and there's nothing you have to really be worried about yeah and now I think it was in the british medical journal.
Speaker 1:so again, it was a mild disease. It wasn't what you might imagine, that you would be coughing for weeks on end until you die. That simply wasn't the case by the you know, certainly in the 1990s. Yeah, so we talked about Sweden. You had 84% of the children had pertussis despite three doses of DTP vaccine. Why? Because they went to look and they found the bacteria right. Yeah, so they had a test for bacteria and they found the Bordadella pertussis, so they had whooping cough. But what does that mean really? Does that mean we just found the bacteria? Does that mean you're mortally sick? Probably not. It's probably mild, but you maybe had a cough.
Speaker 1:So they determined the DTP vaccine is ineffective and concerns over its safety, which a lot of people had back then, and so they discontinued it in 1979. And so they began vaccinating in 1953. They discontinued for 17 years. There's no increase in death, despite no national vaccine program, and so there's a little magnified view. So actually a couple more cases after they started vaccinating again. But it's not statistically very interesting, especially since you had such a giant plummet beforehand. And so you know your odds from.
Speaker 1:I calculated from 1981 to 1993, the odds of dying from whooping cough in Sweden during those years was one in 13 million. So, yeah, so why you know. Again. My thinking is why are we doing this? Why does everybody have to do this with such a low, low chance of dying? Yeah, why aren't we looking at making sure you know vitamin C levels, vitamin A levels, vitamin D levels and other things like zinc levels? Why don't we be focusing on that to make sure the person's healthy? And then they get through this and they acquire a natural immunity to whooping cough. You know the forged allopuric acid. Once you have it, once your local lung immune system knows what to do with it, and you go through it without any trouble yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:That's, without you know, digging deep into the, the, the risks of dtp, which I don't want to go into now, but you know there are.
Speaker 1:There are significant risks well, the dtp uh from the beginning would cause neurological damage. It was a article in 1948 in I think it was JAMA, I don't know Pediatrics, maybe I don't remember exactly which journal and they found a certain number of children were basically became autistic after they got the DTP vaccine. They they were developing normally and after that they were neurologically damaged. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And. But so they knew in the 40s that DCP was really a harsh vaccine. They eventually got pushed into many decades later to do an attenuated pertussis. That's DTAP. So that's diphtheria tetanus and a small A and a big P. That's attenuated pertussis. So that's the DTaP, which is a less harsh vaccine. But it also has its own problems. But that's kind of a deeper dive Throughout the various decades.
Speaker 1:Eustace Strom noticed gee, why are we vaccinating, since it was a mild disease and even back then it was like well, you know, if we don't vaccinate for that, we can reduce the number of injections, and that would be a good idea, whereas today it's like well, the more we inject, the better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the better for some people maybe, yeah, people, maybe, uh, yeah, well, a lot of money being made, yeah, uh. Gordon stewart, same thing. He noticed the pattern that, gee, you know, um, the decline in mortality happened well before 1957 when they started vaccinating. Uh. And he also noticed whooping cough and measles are no longer important causes of death or severe illness, except in a small minority of infants who are usually otherwise disadvantaged. Again, they were probably poor, nutritionally deficient. Instead of addressing the nutritional aspect of the poor, it's like well, no, we need to vaccinate everybody, so nobody gets it. And then you know, once you had the whooping cough you were naturally immune. It wasn't a problem.
Speaker 1:And here I talked about this before 1995, douglas Jenkins, 500 cases of whooping cough Not a big deal. You have the bacteria. And he said parents can be reassured that a serious outcome is unlikely. So your pediatrician or doctor is probably not going to tell you that lupine coughs is not a big deal or measles is not a big deal. You should just make sure you get rest fluids, get some maybe limeade vitamin C, get some extra vitamin A, things that you could do which aren't a big deal. Yeah, scarlet fever, bigger killer 1800s, no vaccine. No one talks about scarlet fever. Actually I saw an article a few years ago about somebody had scarlet fever somewhere in England or something, but generally it's not talked about and there's no vaccine for it. Other things went down typhoid, paratoid, typhoid fever 100% decline. We talked about tuberculosis. Notice deaths per 100,000. They're not 50 to 70. They're 350 per 100,000. They're not 50 to 70.
Speaker 1:They're 350 per 100,000. That little blob at the bottom, that's smallpox deaths Very small and you can see it's declining, declining, declining. And this is when they came out with streptomycin and the BCG vaccine, which nobody really uses the BCG vaccine very, very widely Anyway, it's not part of the childhood schedule and so we're down by 96.8% and this was talked about in the role of medicine by Thomas McEwen in 1979. And here again we have a trend line. So where did we come out with the antibiotics and the bcg vaccine? There's no, there's no big drop. Yeah, as a matter of fact, this is where they came out. So there's no significant change in the trend of mortality. So they did pretty much nothing as far as I can tell.
Speaker 3:It does look like there's a slight dip at those points, doesn't it? But the general trend looks like it's staying the same.
Speaker 1:Well, you can see the data is every five years. I had data for that, so it's a little, you know, chunky, yeah. And then towards the end you see there's data for every year. So those are are I don't know where they got the data from and it's average over five years. So you get that step, step, look to it yeah.
Speaker 1:so it's hard to tell if there's really a big you know drop over here after 1947. But the trend overall didn't really change. So here's a chart of all you know various diseases for the United States, starting in 1900. And you can see the penicillin came in in the 40s after most of the work is done. Wuppenkopf vaccine most of the work is done. And measles vaccine well, after most of the work is done, down in 1963. England's even more spectacular because basically everything's flatlined by the time they came out with the vaccines in England, because we have a longer time period, 1838. You can see the big red line is scarlet fever, compared to whooping cough, and measles is scarlet fever compared to whooping cough and measles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this was talked about, and even in Pediatrics a journal. It's a very well-respected medical journal and nearly 90% of decline in infectious disease mortality among US children occurred before 1940, before antibiotics or vaccines, and then there's the flu and pneumonia, because they're lumped together and you could see a bigger killer in the 1900, and then they started vaccinating in the 1970s. You already have a 90% decline in mortality, really.
Speaker 1:And if anything, it slightly went up yeah, so that's what we're seeing here, right? So as the vaccination rates increased, the mortality rate increases and then basically goes back to the same place as it was 40 years later. So there's no improvement in mortality rate from. You know, pushed vaccines for flu all the time, especially in the elderly. So you have a on the right hand side, you have coverage for 65 years or older and you're up at 60 or 70%. So a lot of people got, but the mortality rate stayed the same. So a lot of people got, but the mortality rate stayed the same.
Speaker 1:And then this is an article in Cell and Host Microbe, and Fauci is the third author on this. This is in 2023. And I won't read the whole thing. But more than 60 years of experience with influenza vaccines very little improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been noted. It's not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory virus has ever been effectively controlled by vaccines.
Speaker 1:Vaccines against non-systemic mucosal respiratory viruses the flu with high mortality rates, have thus far eluded vaccine development efforts. So they're writing in their own medical journals which you're not supposed to read. The public's not supposed to know that. Well, yeah, the vaccine doesn't really work, but you know what? Keep on getting it. And you know what? We're going to come up with new ones, even after 60 years of failing. They failed for 60 years. It doesn't work, but we're going to come out with something new and then that one will work.
Speaker 1:So this is the really shocking thing. These guys have carte blanche to experiment on the public as long as they want and they can do anything they want. They can put anything they want in there. They can put in any technology and you get it. And if something happens to you, they'll just say that's not because of the vaccine, and we get to do anything we want and if it doesn't work, we just keep trying. They don't step back and go. Well, you know what? Maybe it's vitamin D levels are more important, which they've shown in studies. It cuts the flu deaths in half or cuts lots of things, especially if you're optimal. It drops infection rates by 95%. But we can't do anything. It's not a vaccine, so we don't care. We're not going to tell people to make sure they get plenty of sunshine. Who's going to make any money?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't paint it in the sun, can you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so here they're admitting that it didn't work, but they still tell you every year to go get your flu vaccine. So I mean, that's the data, it's. It's. It's pretty crystal clear and no one's ever disputed any of the data. It's right from the. You know the various historical and official government sources, but they don't like you to know that yeah. I don't know if you want to. Yeah, I was just going to say no, I mean that's great.
Speaker 3:That's given a great overview of the data of most of these infectious so-called infectious diseases. So I guess there's two questions what caused the diseases in the first place? And you alluded to some of those reasons, because you're saying nutrient deficiency, basically. So what caused the disease in the first place, or what caused sorry, what caused the mortality? I should say I think yeah, that's probably a better way to say it right and what caused the improvement in the health outcomes? I think they're two really important questions. If you could address each of those, Sure.
Speaker 1:So just to kind of wrap up, mortality rate, most of it, nearly 100% was to decline all these diseases before there were antibiotics or vaccines, which we just talked about. And so the big thing is we believe a disease is caused just by a germ and that's all we have to worry about. So we have to protect ourselves from the out there. And only a small group of humans have concluded this right and basically they have a self-reinforcing kind of ideology and anybody who challenges it might be from the outside, but they don't care about that because they already know that this is true. Every disease declined before their medical interventions to stop that germ.
Speaker 1:This can't be an exact, correct equation. It can't be true. This is a false idea. There has to be more to it than just a particular germ, a particular microbe, and that's what we're going to kind of address here. But Suzanne was a brilliant woman and she's an honest person. She gave up her career because she saw how things were being done wrong in the hospitals and they were just automatically injecting everybody with the flu vaccine at the time. And you know, with enough indoctrination of repetition, mythology becomes a collective reality. But that doesn't make it true. Yeah, and you know, with enough indoctrination of repetition, mythology becomes a collective reality.
Speaker 1:But, that doesn't make it true Again. We're stuck with this idea of the out there and this is out there must be stopped. It must be stopped, otherwise we're doomed Right. So we use vaccines, and if that doesn't work, we use antibiotics, because we have to stop the.
Speaker 1:Thing but again, as we saw in the all the data, that's can't be the case, because these interventions came in well after and they had little effect. So we have this perception that and I used to have this perception that back back in the 1800s people had top hats and women had parasols and they rode around in nice carriages and nice clean environment, off to the country for a picnic and everything was lovely. But that wasn't really. That's not a real reality. The good old days were not the good old days for many, many people. If you were quite wealthy, it was pretty good, but life really was a struggle.
Speaker 1:It was a struggle for many people, especially in the cities. So we're going to cover all the different factors that made life really miserable for lots of people. But you had a struggle of sickness and death, high mortality rate, especially in the young. So we had hazardous housing and so, because these cities basically sprung up really fast, these buildings were just awful. They were filled with garbage. They didn't know what to do with all the garbage. They were all crammed into these very crowded areas and so and you had an environment where people were all crowded together, jammed up, there was no place to put their refuse, and you know it was just an awful situation. They would even at times bury their dead into the walls, called intramural burials. So everything was all jammed up. The manufacturing of tanneries and slaughterhouses were all put into where people lived.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And this, this particular quotes from an 1861, uh article. Uh, the sewage, there's no, there's no toilets. Here we see one from in 1916, but before that, there's no toilets, there's outhouses, um, and basically all your, your waste, and all the animal waste and all the industrial waste went into the water supply, it went out the window and it would rain, it would get drained into the Thames river or whatever your water supply was, and so your only source of drinking is from that water supply. So you're drinking from a industrial toilet, from that water supply. So you're drinking from a industrial toilet. So, without having these, infrastructure put in place.
Speaker 3:You're going to be drinking. That, that's okay. You can vaccinate against that can't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you had horrible living conditions. Yeah, and I alluded to this already, you have have horses. That was your main form of transportation. They would be stopping around and they, they often died after two or three years because they were ill too, uh, and then they just pooped in the streets and so sometimes you had, you know, deep, deep trenches of poop all over the place and you would get that on your shoes and you would drag it into your house, and so this is, you know, a picture from 1893. But, uh, yeah, the streets were filled with, you know, horse manure and, of course, then you have all the flies. People didn't often, often, have screens, so you know, all this stuff was all over the place.
Speaker 1:You also had horrible pollution, because the only thing you had to heat with is coal and factories were done with coal. So you're burning all that stuff and all the carbonic acid and all the fumes go up and, depending on weather conditions, will settle back down, and so you were not only living in a giant and, you know, drinking from a giant industrial toilet, and you were also living in a chimney. So your lung function couldn't have been good, right, yeah, and they, you know various people noticed that you know when things they would call it foggy. But really it was not the fog, it was all the industrial smoke coming down on you, so they would call that that was a London fog. The London fog wasn't like nice water vapor, it was mixed with all this stuff.
Speaker 3:Quite interesting because if you look at an old film of the Houses of Parliament in London they were black, but around I don't know, 30, 40 years ago they were sandblasted clean and the Houses of Parliament, if they look at it now, is like a sandy color.
Speaker 1:I grew up thinking the Houses of Parliament were black.
Speaker 3:That's interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, and obviously it was from all the coal burning that was taking place at the time all this, the smog um on the coal and all that stuff really didn't cleaned up till later in the 19, early 19 mid-1900s. They still had people dying from smoke pollution. Food was not good. Sometimes people were starving, food was often contaminated and with who knows what. Because the animals were sick, the people were sick with who knows what. Because the animals were sick, the people were sick and the stuff that you would buy could be rotting because there's no refrigeration. So anything you got was probably not fresh, or the fruit wasn't very, wasn't really ripe, it was just picked off a tree. Uh, it's just a big mess of you know horrible food. And and so you would. You could die just directly from contaminated food. Uh yeah, and people were at different points in time, were actually starving to death. They didn't have enough food, and so you would be. Just, you know, if you're not having food, you're not going to be healthy for sure, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, not more susceptible to illness, sure.
Speaker 1:Massive overcrowding in the cities and you would find just masses of people in a building and some people lived in the cellars where all your um, your toilet, toilet stuff went in. Living with the vermin too, I mean just dreadful, dreadful, dreadful conditions. And then when you died, somebody died in your, in your family. What were you going to do with the corpse? You left it there or you buried it in the wall because you had to figure out what to do with it. So imagine being in a room like maybe this size with 17 people and someone's dead in the corner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so work was horrible for a lot of people. People worked for 12, 14, 16, 18 hours a day at the most horrible menial dread. You know. Dreary work, day after day, no, no vacation, no time off. They just worked every day just to survive. Women often turn to prostitution to try to make ends meet. So it was, uh, not good. There was a book from somewhere in the 1850s and they talked about part of london. Um, what's the name of the place? Um, gee, I forgot the name of the place bent bent, benthal falls. Is that right, benthal falls? I think never heard of it. It's a section of London, east London. Oh, bethnal Green, bethnal Green, thank you. Yeah, anyway, so there was, they wrote about that there was hundreds of thousands of miserable poor, on the ragged edge of misery, you know.
Speaker 3:So there were sections of London that were good, on the West end apparently, but the East end was just, you know, on the west end apparently, but the east end was just you know, jammed up with the poor, miserable poor that were starving and working hard and, you know, dying early yeah, it was also the east of london that was bombed during the second world war as well, not the west interesting, uh, child labor.
Speaker 1:So it wasn't just adults working. Children as young as four were working in mines and factories. They used them for going in machines and going in little tunnels in the coal mines, and this was written about in 1890. Labor for 12 to 13, up in 16 hours a day was the rule. It wasn't like an exception like, oh, we got to get this done today, so so they didn't have any enjoyment no exercise, no fresh air, no exposure to sunlight, no good food. You know, how are you going to end up? Uh, you know, growing up to be uh at all. So, and if you were sick, who's going to take care of you? No, you just, you know, essentially just crawled over to the side and died. So, as I say, I talked about her seven-year-old girl worked sitting in a hot sun. Oh, she was sick with measles and then she died. She was sick with measles and then she died. So no one gave her, you know, limeade or made sure she had some good water and rest in a bed, and that didn't happen. She just worked, worked, worked and died.
Speaker 1:And there was also really crazy medical ideas of bleeding people for almost every condition. That went on for centuries. Oh, you have a fever, I'm gonna bleed you, I'm gonna. If not, I'm gonna, I'll bleed you and I'm gonna give you some calomel, which is mercury or some other toxic medication. And this is a particular picture where somebody was given the mercury and his tongue swelled up to enormous proportions. So all these kinds of types of really crazy medical ideas. Another one is called the hot regimen, where if you were sick from something, they would put you in a hot room, no fresh air, no fresh water, and they would give you a little mercury. And of course that didn't end well for everybody, right? So they increased the death rate by trying to treat these diseases. Where if various doctors noticed over the century or over the decades that if you just left them alone they would have been much better off, they would have been fine, but instead the treatments themselves were causing the problem and they actually bled George Washington, the first president of the United States.
Speaker 1:They bled him to death because he had a cold or the flu. So they repeatedly bled him to the point where he would just die. And they also gave him uh, I believe mercury and they gave you that to clean out your digestive system, and they also did blister packs and some other other stuff, but basically they bled him to death, bled and poisoned him to death I guess he would have been much worse if they hadn't treated him right um, yes, yes definitely we heard that saying quite a lot in the last few years Would have been a lot worse if I didn't have the injection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a standard kind of thing to say, right, yeah, and then another thing that was causingculous, which is a skin disease scrofula, syphilis, tuberculosis, typhoid and all these different things are a result of vaccination. And here's something important, because you think a vaccine is somebody comes with some alcohol and they give you a shot, right, and everything's. You know, okay, you might have some problems, but that's what it is. This is not what a vaccine was. The original vaccine was you would take a sharp knife called the lancet and cut yourself, cut the person repeatedly and in patches, and then they would take some mixture, some pus, from probably somebody else's arm, because they did arm to arm vaccination for a hundred years. They would take that and they would smear it in. So, depending on how deep the cuts were, some of that stuff would go systemic in your in your system, right, go systemic into your blood. Um, and then is that going to end well? Um and then is that going to end?
Speaker 1:well? Probably not. But this is what's. This is the kind of crazy thinking like bleeding people until the point they pass out, or putting them in a.
Speaker 1:Of course, you made people horribly ill from these things, you know, from scratching them and then putting some random animal pus or pus from another person that died from smallpox, because the vaccine was really this mishmash of different concepts. It wasn't this like oh, it's cowpox and it prevents smallpox. That was just like a mythology. That's. That's not real either. So, anyway, uh, so when you you cut somebody repeatedly and you smear this stuff in, they're gonna get sick. And actually I uh, accidentally, uh, old school, vaccinated myself because I was cleaning out gutters over here in the house and I ripped my hand open and, just being a dope, I didn't pay attention and I was cleaning out the gutter. So I know there's squirrel poop and bird poop and decaying leaves went into my bloodstream and uh, five days later, I was, you know and you know, very sick. Unfortunately, I'm married to a brilliant naturopath and she's like oh, you have blood poisoning, I can take care of that. And uh, she gave me some herbs and uh, 12 hours later, I was better.
Speaker 3:24 hours later I was perfectly fine and had you gone to hospital, they would have insisted that you have a tetanus jab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was perfectly fine after 24 hours, because plant medicines are amazing. They've just been sidelined because industrial medicine doesn't look at that stuff, anyway. So here's another factor, that why people were sick during that time. And here's an example that little the picture there of how people uh lived. This is from 1847, so you can see somebody lives in the basement down there or is in the basement and you can see there's some mattresses or some kind of sleeping accommodations and how crowded everything is. The, the beds are all jammed in there and people are just jammed in there. Can you are just jammed in there. Can you imagine being healthy in there? Is that even possible?
Speaker 1:And you know the way people dress too. They got like virtually no sunlight and because of the, the, the smoke, the amount of sunlight that reached people in the cities, especially in London, was very, very small. And then they dressed like this very conservative, you know, and and they just they got like probably their vitamin D levels are probably near zero, vitamin C levels were probably zero, their zinc levels are zero. It's, it's amazing Anybody survived at all. Oh, yeah, there's that Bethnal green white chapel. Yeah, that's where, uh, I think they said somewhere hundreds of thousands of men and women were in that area. And then you know I mentioned before that you know the thieves and prostitutes, and the number of prostitutes in that area were 80 000. It wasn't just like a couple of women.
Speaker 3:Things haven't changed.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought, no matter how bad your life is today, uh, you didn't live like they did in the 1800s. Yeah, I don't know, it's not so good. So here's all the different things we just covered the housing, the sewage, the dung, the coal, the disease, food, starving, overcrowding, child labor and all these things were what made life horrible and that's why people got sick. That's the main reason people got sick, and so I'm not going to read through this, but we just kind of covered this. You know, imagine trying to living in this kind of environment. You know how could you possibly be healthy, right?
Speaker 3:So what caused the downturn or the reduction in death rates from 1900 to the mid-1960s? Was it the jabs? Or if it was something else, what was it?
Speaker 1:So I call it the world's greatest health revolution. Yeah, we have some more slides if you want to look at those Cool. Yeah, so this world's greatest health revolution that nobody knows about. So we have these horrible conditions, but there were people that recognized something had to change. So they started putting in all these structures, which took decades. They started putting in child labor laws and labor laws. They started putting in clean water, piped water. They started putting in sewage systems. They started putting all these things in place, which weren't just like all done in one day or even one year. These things started in the 1850s and progressed, you know, till the 1950s and 1960s, 60s and you know. So this is a quote from somebody in 1911, and they said you know what really fixing sunshine, fresh air, wholesome nutrition, exercise, rest in the hygienic mode of living are far more effectual than all subsequent medications in existence.
Speaker 1:So what changed? We have now clean public water. We have pipes and sewers. People start washing their hands Back. During those times, doctors never washed their hands. They would simply go from like a cadaver that they were doing something. Go deliver a baby, or they call it childbed fever and many, many women died because they didn't understand that's what they should do. And there was a dr semel weiss that was trying to point this out, that you just needed to clean your hands. And then, because he discovered the, the death rate for uh pupera fever dropped to like near zero.
Speaker 3:But they didn't want to listen to him because they thought, well, it was pretty cool, it wasn't a yeah, how are you?
Speaker 1:You're insulting us, we're, we're. You know that's, that's, you know? No, we're not going to do that. So they didn't do it. So they continue to kill lots of people. Um, so they conditions. They closed all these apartment basements basement apartments sorry backwards which no human being should live in. They got rid of the industries out from the cities. They improved the milk supplies and the food supply in general. They had better child feeding practices, because they would come up with really bizarre ideas to feed babies. You have the labor laws, child labor laws. You have public schools, and I know people don't really some people don't like public schools anymore.
Speaker 1:But if you had to work in a mine or a factory and or go to school and at least learn some reading and math, that was certainly a major advancement, right? Yeah, um, health departments, because they cleaned up a lot of things, even though they were promoters of vaccines. But they cleaned up a lot of these things and shut down, all up with some different spices and sell those to sausages. They would do that all the time. So you're eating these diseased products. And that came to came to light in, uh, the early 1900s. Upton Sinclair wrote the Jungle and where he discussed, you know, just talked about that and people were horrified. It's like, yeah, so, um. So they, they started transforming all that. Uh, vastly improved nutrition. So now you have fruits and vegetables actually getting into people's diets, um, proper food handling, uh.
Speaker 1:And then all the innovations electricity greatest invention, human invention, which we take for granted, but that allowed people not to use coal. They allowed, you know, you have lighting. Now you have first the icebox and then refrigeration, you know. So your food's not rotting, it's actually can be relatively fresh. They tackled the water pollution no more dumping all your sewage into the river and drinking from it. Eventually it took a little bit longer got rid of the air pollution, largely Got rid of these ridiculous toxic medications. Mercury, arsenic, strychnine were a base for many of these medications. They got rid of bleeding. They stopped doing this idiotic practice.
Speaker 1:Eventually the level of vaccination for smallpox decreased and they also stopped doing arm-to-arm vaccination, which they had done for 100 years. So now they're not at least taking pus from your arm and putting it on somebody else's arm. So that reduced a lot of the problems and and really just the general standard of rise of, you know, rise of living. The whole standard increased from mid 1800s to 1950. So you can see in this picture from 1940s life magazine, this picture of these children at the, wherever it was, you can see they're healthy people and they noted that life for children in this country has been made infinitely safer. We have reduced death from principal communicable infectious diseases of childhood measles, sclerosis, whooping, cough, diphtheria to a new record low, a point actually promising complete eradication of these diseases. And this is before the vaccines came into play. So this was noticed in Life magazine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had it good, everything's taken care of. Yay, good job, team. Good job all you scientists. Good job. All you engineers. Good job all you activists that cleaned up the streets. They had street sweepers came in and they started cleaning up all the plumbers. Thank you everybody who did millions of people work together to win and make it a better society awesome, thank you. Who gets all the credit? Who gets the credit now? The vaccinators? Yeah, oh yeah, we don't have this because we all vaccinated.
Speaker 3:That's why there's a few. There's a few, um interesting'd like to get your view on in terms of what specifically caused them, Because there is some I don't want to use the word speculation, let's say ideas of what caused them. So the three, smallpox, Spanish flu and polio. Okay. Have you got any thoughts on those?
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, okay. So if spanish flu and polio, okay, you got any thoughts on those? Uh, yeah, sure, okay. So again, all of these conditions that people had.
Speaker 1:We have this idea that there's a single thing causing a disease. It can't be true. It's a. It's like a five-year-old concept of health. It's like, oh, I got a microbe, that's why I'm sick. It all has to do with your general health profile. It's not a single entity causing a problem. Right, it gets into your lungs and it can multiply and you can get cough, cough, cough, right, um, which people still have, by the way, people, you see, people, sometimes they cough for two or three weeks at a time. So they usually have port-a-tell-a-protosis or some other bacteria. But that's not the main thing. The main thing is your health profile right. Are you getting enough sunshine, vitamin c and all that kind of stuff? People don't die from a single thing, usually, right? Well, you, your whole lifetime, you have things that have happened to you and what's your current you know? Uh, dietary input, what's your emotional state, what's you know? All these things play a factor in why you might get sick and why you die.
Speaker 1:We've reduced it to where is there a microbe? The microbe is the reason, and this is not a really smart way to look at it. I think so. Any of these conditions. It's easy to say it's a single cause, but it's never a single cause. So again back to whooping cough. If you were working in a mine at four years old, you had no clean food, you drank from a sewer, you breathed in smoke and you got some kind of condition from, let's say, a microbe like whooping cough and you die. What did you die from? Did you die from the microbe? No, you died from your overall poor health.
Speaker 1:Now you take the same person, like this young lady in the picture Well, you can't see the picture, but it doesn't matter and she ended up with some kind of bacteria. Maybe she coughed for a couple of days, maybe she didn't cough at all and everything was fine. Yeah, because why? She's out exercising? She looks like she's happy, she looks like she's exercising, looks probably eating properly. She's not obese. Well, obesity is a new phenomenon. So you're going to be doing pretty well overall. But maybe you're zinc deficient or maybe not. You know, if you're getting some natural foods which in the 40s you would have got more natural foods you didn't have to worry about that. And then you get to the thing like in the Brady Bunch where they thought it was funny, everybody had measles. Yeah, yeah, because by that point we didn't have to worry about those things yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a really good book. I don't know if you've read it. It's called the the moth and the iron lung I have not read that great book.
Speaker 3:Uh, it's about polio and I won't go into the whole story because it would take too long. But again, some people say correlation doesn't equal causation. But there are two kind of big spikes of polio in inverted commas because, again, we know that nowadays it could be called many different things. But when that was really bad, sort of around the late 1800s, early 1900s, it tended to happen around the times of harvest, it tended to happen to people who could afford to buy good quality fruits. So you think, okay's, what could that be? Well, they were using, uh, a pesticide called lead arsenate lead arsenate, right, right. And then they changed it to something called paris green and then when they stopped using those, polio went down massively. And then when ddt came out I think it was in the late 1940s there was another massive explosion of polio. And then when they stopped using DDT, polio went right back down again.
Speaker 3:So again, some people say, well, causation, you know, correlation doesn't equal causation. But even when you see the symptoms of the poisoning of lead arsenate or of DDT and polio, the symptoms were exactly the same. So is that a coincidence? Just find that really interesting. I was also reading quite recently about Spanish flu as well. Again, when you look at that, who was being affected predominantly by the Spanish flu? Well, it tended to be men that had come back from fighting in World War I. Well, what were they using in World War I? They were using lots of chemical weapons, and the symptoms from these chemical weapons was the same as the symptoms that people were dying from with Spanish flu. So you know, all we need to do is vaccinate people and everything's going to be fine, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, so to to comment on the polio. Um, so if you look at some of the charts from the don't remember the exact years, but in the 20s, teens and thirties, you'll see during the time of the year when polio was being found, and it's a. It starts in the spring, it spikes up so somewhere like August 1st and it slowly gets down. There is no polio during the winter, or very few cases, and you can see that in two different charts from New York. So what does that tell you? It's a virus going around infecting everybody, or is the main thing is because they were spraying the fruit with lead arsenate and you ate more of that fruit, or exposed more to lead arsenate during that time in the spring, summer and fall? And so it's. It wasn't like it was always present. It was present during those, you know, summer months.
Speaker 3:And it was affecting the farm animals as well.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right, that happened as well Farmers and farm animals.
Speaker 1:And it's. It's interesting when you look at the um distribution of cases, um of of that in various I forget it was new hampshire or other places it's there's not like a big concentration somewhere in a city center and everybody was dying. It was like one here, one here, yeah, one here, yeah. It was scattered all about and and families that somebody had some kind of paralysis. Um, they, they, they stayed with their child or whatever, and nobody was catching polio, nobody was getting sick, yeah, uh, even though they slept, maybe, in the same room. So you know, what does that tell you? It tells you something a little bit different than you might believe even a lot of the studies.
Speaker 3:So I, you, daniel Reutas on the show talking about, he shared over 200 studies that they've done where they've had people in the same room trying to infect another person and they've never been able to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it depends on the particular condition you're looking at. That was certainly true for tuberculosis. That was certainly true for tuberculosis. There were many doctors in the late 1800s that determined that no one got tuberculosis. They were in a lung hospital in I don't know if it was in London and over many, many decades they never had a case of somebody who didn't have tuberculosis, who caught it from somebody who had tuberculosis. So that's one very interesting thing and this is kind of a little fact that I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1:Dr Henry Littlejohn, 1880s 1888, I think he was a sanitary inspector for hospitals for 25 years and what he noticed? That he and his staff never got sick from whooping, cough, scarlet fever, smallpox or any fevers. And he said the reason you don't get sick is you can't be afraid. If you're afraid, you're going to get the condition. If you're not afraid, then there's no problem. So you said it's very important for a sanitary inspector not to be afraid and then you won't get sick. And none of your family members will get sick either. They never communicated these diseases to their family. Yeah, so so that's another interesting piece of information and there's another there's another one, go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 3:And there's another there's another, go ahead. Sorry, I was just going to say there's another word for that and that's the no SIBO effect. So not being scared is not being affected by the no SIBO effect. So if you don't, I think if you're right.
Speaker 1:I think if you're terrified, it ruins your whole, your whole system. You're, you know, you're all tense, you're not going to function properly. Yeah, and interesting, in the after they came out with the vaccine for the polio, they shifted the definition. So before, if you had a paralysis you would have polio, right. But then with the after the vaccine, you only had polio if your paralysis was there 60 days later and some doctors noticed hey, that means you have a different condition, it's a different disease, it's long-lasting polio. But the definition shifted.
Speaker 1:They also changed the definition of the epidemic, changed the definition of the epidemic. So it went from um, if there were 25 cases in a particular per 100 000, they changed it to 35. You had to have more than 25. It went up to I think it went from 20 to 35. So it went up a huge amount. And suddenly all the epidemics disappear because now the number of cases shifted.
Speaker 1:So you know these it's. You know again, how you define a case is really important. And if you change the definition, you're going to change how things are looked at. And that happened also in india. So in india they did the same thing I don't remember the exact year while they were doing their polio campaign and they also introduced because of definition change. They said, well, okay, you have to fit these criteria. If it doesn't fit this polio criteria here in 1998, I'm sorry, I can't remember then you have a new disease called aseptic flaccid paralysis, acute flaccid paralysis, and so if you look at a chart you'll see polio rates. Then polio has really actually increased, not decreased, because they were in this campaign of giving kids many, many, many, many doses of oral polio.
Speaker 1:Was pulse polio, just kept on giving kids tons of polio vaccine yeah and so they go oh well, now we don't have polio, yeah, but now you have the same thing, you have paralysis. Where'd that come from? They don't address that because they basically renamed the definition. So if you change the definition, you have a new disease, but they don't call it. They still stay with the same old disease. So now they've created a miracle. Yeah, we saved the people, even though there were probably 500,000 more cases of paralysis over that timeframe.
Speaker 3:I think they also now classify cases as Guillain-Barre syndrome or transverse myelitis as well, which previously would have been diagnosed as polio. They're just splitting it into different sections.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why disease definition is important but if you can change it anytime you want, boom.
Speaker 3:And if you can come up with a test that will massively overestimate. But they wouldn't ever do that, would they? Nah, definitely not. Awesome, roman. I need to wrap up because I do have a client in 20 minutes, but it's been amazing, amazing, talking to you. I'm sure you could probably talk all day on this subject, so I might, might, have to get you back at another time if you you know if you would come back sure it'd be great, be fun.
Speaker 1:We could talk about other stuff yeah, absolutely, it's a massive subject.
Speaker 3:I mean, for those watching this, this is the size of the book Dissolving Illusions. I mean it's actually easy to read.
Speaker 1:It's not difficult to read, but there's a lot of information in there. We have a new 10th anniversary edition out, so that has another few hundred pages in there, so now it's even thicker. Wow. And I also wrote up a companion, and the companion book has hundreds of doctors that were critical of vaccination and the medical system in general Vaccine tragedies I have a hundred page timeline of events you probably never heard of, so it's kind of a reference book, but you can also just page through and just be amazed at all the stuff that's in there. So that's another thing we just put out, and I'm almost done with the audio book, so that should be out soon too. Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely going to have to get you back on now. Make sure I don't have any appointments afterwards so we can go all the way through. Awesome. So where can people find you online and where can people?
Speaker 1:purchase your book. You can go to dissolvingillusionscom. You purchase your book, you can go to dissolving illusionscom. Um, you can find me on substack. You can find me on x or twitter currently. Um, so those are the main places I would look there. We're about to release another kind of website, that where you can get the books a little cheaper and get the audiobook and stuff like that, but that's not quite done yet, so brilliant, we'll announce it on the website and on twitter, yeah when it's done, send me.
Speaker 3:Send me a link for it as well, because I can still add it to the show notes at a later date as well yeah, I'm hoping, um, because we're.
Speaker 1:I'm using a new service to get printed books and I'm supposed to get them today in physical form so I can verify that they're actually done correctly. If they're done correctly, then we'll be done very shortly. If not, then I'll have to figure out what to do great, awesome, roman.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:I really enjoyed talking to you today and I think it's a really, really important subject, you know it's been great thank you for more people to you know understand the reality of the situation just to kind of I think I said this earlier take any of the information from the website, make your own book, make a movie, make a kid's book, make anything. The more people that take the information and put it out there, the more that we can, you know, stop the madness, essentially, and maybe focus on real problems instead of always being freaked out about some kind of microbe killing us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I would say my final words on it is what you've been saying all the way through. You know, your health is really what you do. It's your environment, but it's also the choices that you make. Sure, not what you inject into your body, although that is a decision that you may or may not make. Sure, not what you inject into your body, although that is a decision that you may or may not make.
Speaker 1:That's true?
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, have a great day. Thank you, you too. So that's all from Roman and me for this episode, but don't forget to join me same place next time and, in the meantime, spread the word about the Radical Health Ripple podcast and help create change in the world to make a fairer, healthier and happier place for us all to live. Thanks for tuning in. Remember to give the show a rating and a review, and I'll see you next time.
