Radical Health Rebel
Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, where Leigh, a renowned Functional Medicine Practitioner, CHEK Practitioner, CHEK Faculty Instructor, Active Release Techniques® Therapist, Emotion Code Practitioner, author, and podcast host, takes you on a journey to achieve optimal health, wellness, and happiness. With his extensive training and years of clinical experience, Leigh provides a truly holistic approach to health that has proven effective even when other methods have failed.
Join us every week for insightful discussions and expert interviews focusing on chronic pain, gut health, and skin health. Leigh's diverse background and passion for holistic healing brings you valuable knowledge and practical tips from leading experts in the field. Whether you're struggling with persistent health issues or simply looking to enhance your well-being, the Radical Health Rebel Podcast is your go-to resource for achieving a vibrant and healthy life. Tune in and start your journey to radical health today!
Radical Health Rebel
Ep155 - The Truth About Skin Care Products: Acne, Eczema & What Really Works – with Fernanda Da Silva Tatley
In this episode of the Radical Health Rebel Podcast, I’m joined by scientist and skincare formulator Fernanda Da Silva Tatley to dive deep into the world of skincare—particularly when it comes to acne and eczema.
Fernanda shares how her background in medical microbiology, her passion for skin health, and her commitment to clean, ethical ingredients have shaped her unique approach. We discuss the misconceptions around skin types, the dangers of toxic skincare products, and why true skin health goes far beyond what you put on the surface.
If you're struggling with acne or eczema—or simply want healthier skin—this episode is for you.
We discussed:
00:00 Introduction to Fernanda De Silva-Tackley
00:43 Educational and Professional Background
02:07 Research Focus and Transition to Skincare
06:21 Launching the Skincare Company
10:32 The Importance of Skin Health
16:23 Understanding Skin Conditions
20:41 The Mindset of Self-Love and Care
24:53 Marketing and Consumer Mindset
34:11 The Role of Diet and Lifestyle
44:26 Integrating Internal and External Care
48:19 The Placebo Effect in Skincare
51:37 The Importance of Simplicity in Skincare Choices
53:32 Essential Ingredients for Healthy Skin
01:01:14 Balancing Science and Natural Ingredients
01:02:39 Unique Aspects of Fernanda's Skincare Products
01:10:53 Sunscreen: Myths and Best Practices
01:19:20 Cautions Against Melanin Enhancing Pills
01:21:14 Future Aspirations and Educational Campaigns
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Website - https://azurlis.co.nz/
Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/azurlisskincare/
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And the other thing is that people start hating themselves because they feel so terrible. And what I think makes a big difference is for people to understand don't try to instantly get rid of your acne or your eczema, because that won't happen. You know this. These are conditions that take time and you can't improve your skin overnight. This whole thing of instantly looking better is rubbish.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast. I'm your host, lee Brandom. This work started for me several decades ago, when I started to see the impact I could make on people, helping them to identify the root cause of their health problems that no doctor could figure out, including serious back, knee, shoulder and neck injuries, acne and eczema issues, severe gut health problems, even helping couples get pregnant after several IVF treatments had failed. And it really moves me to be able to help people in this way, and that is why I do what I do and why we have this show.
Speaker 2:In this episode of the Radical Health Rebel podcast, I'm joined by scientist and skincare formulator, fernanda Da Silva-Tatley to dive deep into the world of skincare, particularly when it comes to acne and eczema. Fernanda shares how her background in medical microbiology, her passion for skin health and her commitment to clean, ethical ingredients have shaped her unique approach. We discuss the misconceptions around skin types, the dangers of toxic skincare products and why true skin health goes far beyond what you put on the surface. If you're struggling with acne or eczema or simply want healthier skin, this episode is for you. Ananda Dasilvatatli, welcome to the Radical Health Rebel podcast.
Speaker 1:Thank you, and it was so interesting to see the numbers. I've almost felt like saying we have a liftoff. Thank you for having me. I've been looking forward to having a chat to you, because you and I have we have a lot of alignments, but we have differences as well, and so that would be good to have to air up.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. So, to kick things off, could you share a little bit about your educational and professional background and also what motivated you to start your skincare company?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm Portuguese by birth, lived in Portugal until I finished school and then I joined my parents, who were at the time in South Africa, because my dad, being an engineer, moved with his company wherever they were building dams or bridges, and the work was being done in South Africa in the Orange River. I ended up going to Cape Town University where I did a BSc in zoology, and then later I gravitated to medical biochemistry and I ended up doing a PhD in medical molecular microbiology, and the focus at the time was really to look at the virulence of bacteria in our body and how our immune system responded to them. And then the work that I was doing, together with a few other people, was funded by an organization in the UK. Then it was called GlaxoWelcome In Steve Nish. They're now just called Glaxo, and so from Steve Nish they funded work that was done in South Africa, in the US, in Ireland, in the UK, in Canada, and we're all working towards a common goal, which was to find out as much as we could about the virulence of tuberculosis mycobacterium tuberculosis because it was so prevalent in South Africa, and bear in mind that we had the issue with AIDS at the same time. So if you have AIDS you're likely to get TB and you probably have endemic TB anyway. And after that, because I made so many connections globally, it's led to my work being sort of known in New Zealand and I was asked to join a group in the Netherlands at Otago University where we were looking at the virulence of a different pathogen, with the same kind of idea to try and understand the bacteria so we could better manage therapeutics or diagnostics. And that group then started the biotech company, which became a company focused on cancer diagnostics, and I stayed with them for a few years. So I'm combining my medical microbiology virulence focus with cancer and because of my own interest in the microbiome of the epithelium, then skin became a very sort of focused area of my interest, and so this was now sort of early 2000s.
Speaker 1:I started feeling a little bit agitated that I was doing all of this research and I wanted to see something more translational, and not so much in developing complicated technology but using something simpler to try and help people. And this idea started when I was still in Cape Town. I was doing my PhD, and I wanted to use my knowledge to develop skincare that was not cosmetic, it was really to look after skin to make you feel good, being very mindful of how you use ingredients for the skin, how you harvest the ingredient because you don't want to destroy the environment, and being mindful of what else you put on your skin. Because at that stage and still today, there's so much emphasis of becoming more and more technologically dependent and we ended up using all these little molecular technology tools into our products and we don't really know the long-term effects of everything that we use, and I kind of didn't like that. I also admired Anita Roderick that started the Body Shop. You know she was one of my idols, a real firecracker of a person, and so I had this idea.
Speaker 1:Then it was in the sort of like late 80s to do a similar thing, but more, not so involved in trade aid because I didn't have the connections, but being very simple in the approach. And then I felt quite constrained because of what else was happening in South Africa and one thing you'll realize I'm a very gut-filled person and I'm a very hard person. So I couldn't think of developing skincare when there were people in South Africa dying of hunger. Politically there was so much happening. I just felt so guilty, I just couldn't, and so I carried on working on TB because that was sort of seemed more important and I forgot about my company. I kind of shut it down when I was in, you know, now in New Zealand and sort of all that pressure, and you know, of course, then Mandela got released and South Africa changed quite a lot Still very complicated scenario. I ended up thinking so here I am in a biotech company. I'm still doing all these very high tech stuff that are really not kind of aligned with me. Maybe this is my time to start the company. I'm still doing all these very high-tech stuff that are really not kind of aligned with me. Maybe this is my time to start the company. So that's what I did. I launched in 2010. I launched with the idea to have just a small number of products which could be used regardless of the skin type.
Speaker 1:I'm coming back to this because for many years, there was a kind of a resistance from the market oh, no, no, no, that that can't be right, because my skin is dry, I can't use products for oily skin because my skin is dry. And I was saying, no, no, no, no, it's the same ingredients. It's how we use the products. Essentially, you can use the same constituents but we might use them in a different day, slightly different routines. But I just couldn't crack the fact that in the market, the more you sell, you know, by forcing people to use a lot and also by diversifying product ranges, people get very attached to what their skin types are, and so I changed as well. I thought, okay, I'll go along with that. And it still didn't resonate. So in the more recent times I thought ditch the principle, let's go back to what it was before. Yes, I've developed a lot of products because I can. Making formulations is not a problem. Marketing and formulation is an entirely different story.
Speaker 1:Going back to the concept where you have a good moisturizer, you have a good cleanser and you have a sunscreen because that is important, especially for people like yourself you're very fair. But even people like myself, with a darker skin, we still need to be protected, and even people that are more pigmented, you know, with darker skins. So, coming back to this I've now. What I've realized with all this transition is that, although for a few years I went astray from my concept, I'm back to it, and it's very important to stay true to one's values. And the irony of the whole thing is that now we have scientific evidence to show that ingredients for oily skin do work for dry skin and vice versa. Now, how good is that? I just knew that from a gut feel. There was no evidence then, but now there is. So I feel kind of not as sort of a person saying well, I'm vindicated, but I feel so excited. I feel so excited that after all, I wasn't that wrong. But of course, it is very, very hard to market skincare in the market that we are in now, and for me it's not so much about selling skincare but it's more about educating people.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter what you use. Whether you use olive oil, macadamia oil, coconut oil or blend of the lot, understand why you need it and don't put rubbish on your skin, because your skin, although it's a barrier, it's a semi-permeable barrier and everything gets taken up. Some things get deposited in our reproductive organs, others get deposited in our excretory organs and we still don't know the long-term consequences. And you probably see some of the consequences of those of people abusing things, not knowing, just because it was a fashion trend or you know, they saw an ad on TV or whatever. So that's a sort of like a. In a nutshell, how.
Speaker 1:I came back to this.
Speaker 2:But why skin? What was the motivation? Like you could have focused on lots of different things, why was skin the thing that you focused on?
Speaker 1:Skin is very visible and one of the things that certainly for myself, my parents were always very concerned that I had to look good and very concerned that you know you have to look after yourself. You have to look after yourself and if you don't, you start feeling a little bit unhappy because you don't look as good as actually you probably look, but you start assimilating talk that you don't need. You start assimilating the fact that someone is better looking than yourself. We're all good looking, we're just different. I understood at that point, you know, when I was in my 40s, I understood that it wasn't about beauty being the classical beauty Like we. You know, in the UK you have the classical beauty of someone like Princess Diana. She's a beautiful girl, but actually there's some people that don't have nice features but they're beautiful in themselves and the skin reflects all of that, if you allow yourself. So in treating your skin, making sure that you don't have any conditions that make you feel embarrassed and make you retract, withdraw into a shell you feel good. When you feel good, someone will say to you you feel good. When you feel good, someone will say to you Hayley, you're looking fantastic today, even if you're dead tired. If someone says to you you're looking fantastic.
Speaker 1:What do you do? You smile. What happens when you smile? There's messages that go back to your brain and endorphins start getting released and other families of these molecules that are like our natural opiates, that give you a lift. Your serotonin starts flowing, you feel better and immediately the tension in your face subsides. So you look better. So you've just done yourself this good service, even though you haven't done anything special. But the other thing is that the skin is a very important organ and, of course, all organs are important. The skin is the biggest is all over our body. So if you break, if you compromise this barrier the semi-permeable barrier that has a very specific microbiome that is unique to each person and contributes to the health of our skin If you compromise that, you compromise the health of your body, of your heart, your brain, your nerves.
Speaker 1:So it's a no-brainer to look at the skin and we just take it for granted because we don't think. We all think I have to look after my heart, my cardio, my cardio sort of health needs to be there. Oh, my brain. I need to have my ginkgo biloba so I don't get Alzheimer's. But actually, how about and I'm going to say this and I'm really serious, this is not funny how about making love to your skin? I'm not saying having sex with your skin, but treat your skin with gentleness so you appreciate the touch. Touch is so important, and so is self-touch. Just feel empowered, feel like the goddess that you can be or the god that you can be, not in a religious sense, but in an empowered way To look after yourself. We should be doing that. We should be doing that, not wars across the world. Sorry, I just had to bring that in. So people hear. If we talk, if we care for each other, it doesn't matter how different we are or that we don't like each other, but we can talk, we can communicate and something resonates. There's an energy about people that comes through communicating and touching is a good one.
Speaker 1:Respectfully, I don't mean being odd, but just suddenly thought you know what people could be thinking. I was saying, but it's respecting others. Respect yourself, look after yourself. It's like when you're in an airplane and you see the advert or the movie that says you need to put a mask on before somebody else's if the plane depressurizes. That's exactly it. Look after yourself, look after your skin. That gives you peace of mind and be present. You're great. You're a god. You're a goddess. You're fantastic. There's no need for anger. There's no need for anger. There's no need for feeling frustrated.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So just to summarize your answer to the question why are you focusing on skin? So what I've understood from what you've said is, first of all, from a young age, you were kind of encouraged to, let's just say, optimize your looks. But then from that, the reason why you've kind of gone down the route of skincare is because you know from what you were saying, if your skin looks good, it helps you to feel better. Yeah, I mean what I see. You know, obviously, working with people with things like acne and eczema. You know you were saying people, people forget their skin, but you don't forget it if you've got a problem with it. In fact, it's the opposite, right, it almost becomes like an obsession that all you ever think about is how your skin looks, because it's making you feel bad, right?
Speaker 1:start hating themselves because they feel so terrible. And what I think makes a big difference is for people to understand don't try to instantly get rid of your acne or your eczema, because that won't happen. You know this. These are conditions that take time and you can't improve your skin overnight. This whole thing of instantly looking better is rubbish. It doesn't. It takes four weeks for the cell to regenerate if you're healthy and young. As you get older it takes longer.
Speaker 1:But what I found that really helps and I've done this with many people I always have a conversation with them when we're talking about skincare products and I say to them look, you've got an issue, say, acne in the chin. Love your acne. And they sort of go what do you mean? Love my, treat it with care. You're going to treat, you're going to be applying something or you're going to be eating something to make sure that your body because that's the other thing, it's not just looking on the outside you have to have correct diet and hydration, but don't try and hurt your acne. Love your acne, even when you cleanse your face, even when there are times when you have these awful pustules, love it. I understand that some people, because of the condition or those professional requirements they have to cover their acne. But wherever they can, it would be so much better if they could allow the skin not to be covered. And if you love your acne, treat it, you know, to keep it clean, to keep it disinfected. What happens in the end is that your skin is reacting to the energy that you put in. I know this sounds like hocus pocus, but it's the same thing as if you speak to your plants. They will bloom and it's part of what I understood. So importantly, because we haven't talked about this I became a Reiki master as well. So here I am. I'm a scientist by training. I'm an artist in my heart because I like everything I like to create, and in my soul I'm a Reiki master. Now, becoming a Reiki master showed me how important it is to have patience and to have self-love.
Speaker 1:Often people that are so affected because they want to itch, they want to scratch, and obviously the more they scratch, the worse it will go. They hate themselves so much and I've taught so many people love yourself, and it takes time and it takes quite a bit of a mindset to see that, but it helps. So it's not just one thing. You make sure that you look after yourself. You have a good diet, good exercise. Make a conscious choice that you're going to look after yourself properly, not hate.
Speaker 1:The feeling of hate carries an energy in our body that is totally unnecessary, and I know it doesn't ring right for people that are very physically minded. But think about it. I'm a scientist by training and I have seen the difference of people making the transition. So someone will say to me oh rubbish, that's placebo, okay. So what if it? To me oh rubbish, that's placebo, okay. So what if it is placebo? If it works, who the heck cares? Is it that? Is it so bad that it worked for someone? And then they become so. They become proud in the sense of being so internally loved that they become a yardstick for others and they help others, and in helping others they help themselves.
Speaker 1:So I'm very much one of those people that you know. I'm talking to you, I'm not expecting to get anything back from you, because I know the universe will get me something in other ways. And the other thing is I've had the grandmother and the grandfather of the day in terms of things not going well and I was thinking oh my goodness, oh my goodness, am I going to make the podcast on time? And I just thought just take a deep breath. Just take a deep breath, everything is fine. You'll learn this with getting older. Look, I'm much older than you, so I suppose you know I have learned a few things. Maybe when I was 30. I didn't think like this, but I now do. I don't have an issue with dying. You know, when I die, I die. You know. In fact, there's an interesting thing. People will probably think I'm nuts, but I see life as a disease and death is a cure. So if you want to cure all your issues, we have a cure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's lots of governments that are making it easier, but that's a whole other topic. That's a whole other topic.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. No, it's a different story if something happens just as a gradual process of life, but not if it is imposed on you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just going back to one of the things you mentioned earlier, you know you were saying it's one thing creating products, it's another thing marketing them. Now I do spend time on Facebook groups where there are people with skin conditions and I would say 100% of the people who reach out on those groups for help are in the mindset that the only solution for their skin problems is a product Right. For their skin problems is a product right and also linked with that. The companies of the products that they're using market their products by focusing on the insecurities of people. Right, and what I also see is that the products that they are using, or suggesting that they use, are only causing harm to their skin right. What's your? I mean there's a couple of different subjects there, but what's your kind of view on those?
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Speaker 1:Look, taking your first point, preying on the insecurity that is so true because it's the easiest way, say, you go to a counter, a new cosmetic counter, and you're going to buy something. The people are trained to say, oh, you've got some pigmentation there. This is an excellent product to get rid of pigmentation and they cost invariably not cheap. So you spend a whole lot of money and the pigmentation doesn't go and you come back. Well, it's because you actually have to do something else, but you're hooked because you are definitely taken down a road. The other thing that happens is that then someone will convince you the product will work better if you use it in conjunction with something that is the latest that has been developed. They're marketing facets and people are wanting to take that. They're not. People are not in the mindset to question, and the reason why I want to mention this is because many, many years ago, I used to use a very reputable company for skincare and they would offer me every year to have a special person that would come and give me an overview of my skin condition. And they had this new machine that you know. They put my skin, you know, put it over my skin and it tells me the degree of hydration and where things are going wrong and aging, etc. And every year I would go to these things and they would tell me how bad my skin is. And this happened twice and then I thought hang on a minute, so why am I buying their products and my skin is not doing well? So the next one I went, I said to them look, with all due respect to you, but I'm using your products. I've used them for a long time and now you tell me that, despite using your products that are supposed to be protecting my skin from ABC, I'm getting worse. So maybe I shouldn't buy your products at all. And there was absolute, stunning silence. Oh, no, no, no, no. But it is improving from last year, too late. I stopped buying anything that I didn't make. So you get convinced and you want to.
Speaker 1:The thing is, people say I don't have time to go and talk or see someone about my skin. How many words have you used? I don't have time to do so? You've wasted now two minutes. Wouldn't it be better to come to someone like yourself or come to me and say what would you say is the basic, fundamental requirement to look after skin and can I have it instantly and I only want to do it once a day. And I'll say to them okay, fine, great, I'll give you an instant regime, just like we're going to have an instant diet. So get your breakfast and your lunch and your dinner, put it in the blender. Now you have it once a day. How's that? For good nutrition, we can do the same thing for skin care. We put the cleanser and the cream and the sunscreen same time, same thing and do it once a day. And people get it. But you've got to shock them because they're so brainwashed into believing. And the other thing is, people like to dream. It's so wonderful to look at an idol. You see a movie star or you see someone in social media and you want to look like them. So they will want to. But they recommend. You know there's this concealer. I have tried so many different types of things just to see how they work, regardless of the dispensing methods or the composition. Cosmetic is a cosmetic does the same.
Speaker 1:You are aging from the time you are conceived, so the only time we don't age, there's an interesting biological process that happens to the sperm and to the ovum. There's an arrest of aging because they're designed to conceive, to make that egg that becomes a little person. But from the moment the egg starts multiplying, aging is happening, but of course we don't see it because the baby is a kid. You know. They're not aging. Yes, they are, because we're growing, but there's regeneration as well. So, because we are contending with all these ongoing biological processes, if we understood that looking the way we do when we're 30 versus when we're 60 is absolutely fine, they're just stages of our lives. As long as we understand that we look, we don't have to go to the doctor unless something really goes wrong.
Speaker 1:I can look after what I need to do. Maybe if I've got an ingrown toenail I'll have to go and see a podiatrist because I mean I wouldn't touch anything like that. But if we responsibly make a choice things that we can do to look after ourselves and sometimes it's very simple. How about smoking? Smoking is not good because you're putting poisons in your lungs, I mean go figure. But if you really want to have something, please just do it very irregularly. Am I against drinking? No, but drink responsibly.
Speaker 1:The Mediterranean people so I'm Portuguese by birth and we were all raised with a sort of Mediterranean style diet. We were all raised with a sort of Mediterranean-style diet. Kids are encouraged to learn what wine or beer tastes like when we're small, but it's all in tiny amounts. So by the time you're an adult, you understand there are parts of your meal to enjoy, to have something fun. It's not to abuse, but because we feel so. You see, this comes back to this. We have something fun. It's not to abuse, but because we feel so. You see, this comes back to this. We feel so bad. Oh, you know, I'm a teenager and I'm looking ugly. And you know that person, my idol, looks so good. I want to look like her. I'm going to get something quick to make me feel good. Here come the substances that get abused, and it comes down to not being supported, understanding, to being loved. So one of the things that I want to achieve with my skincare idea but I don't know if I'll get there because it needs a lot of capital I'd love to have a kind of a foundation to help young people to really understand what it is to feel good.
Speaker 1:Not to do research and to publish papers and to have lots of publications, but for people to come and understand little things about themselves. Learn about little things. Learn that you don't have to be bullied, or, if you're bullied, shake it off, don't buy into the hook. Bullying on the internet is disgusting and so many kids do self-harm just because they feel terrible. Isn't it time we stopped it? We're so evolved, we're so sophisticated and we kill people with wars, and we kill people with bullying, with words. We kill with the W, with war and with words.
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Speaker 1:I would love to be able to do that, but it takes a lot of capital.
Speaker 2:Just going back to the thing that I see a lot online is that people, their assumption is I've got a skin problem, therefore the only solution is to put something on my skin. So what you mentioned. So you mentioned diet earlier, but obviously you know lifestyle, diet, stress, yeah, you know they. They all have an effect, don't they on on our skin, right?
Speaker 1:correct, yeah, correct, significant effect. And this is because comes back to the way our bodies are made up, so our brain, like I was saying, releasing endorphins. These are some of the molecules that, like people, will know about them. If they run, they get the runners high effectively. You know, feeling good or you do exercise, it's the same thing. But we have the hypothalamus and the pituitary, little sort of components of our brain. They're responsible for getting little molecules released when we are not well, when we stress, these molecules go from the brain all the way circulating in our body and they land on the little glands over the kidneys, the adrenals, and the adrenals release cortisol.
Speaker 1:Now, it's good to have some cortisol, because it kind of gives you a jolt, it's like adrenaline. You've got to be aware something is happening, be mindful, okay, but what happens is, if you have too much of it, you're continuously on this over-exceeding level of response. But what is interesting as well is so you have the response from the adrenals producing the cortisol and it's circulating in our body. But do you know that our skin produces cortisol as well? So you're now adding to the picture and, instead of stopping and giving yourself a moment to think where, you're telling your brain yes, I am stressed, but I'm going to sit down and I'm going to breathe from my groin all the way, not from the top of my shoulders. You're not panting, you don't want to pant. Sit down, do nothing. Breathe from your groin. When you do that, the mere fact that you are sitting down or even standing and you are forcing the movement to go in a different direction and expanding your lungs, getting more oxygen and you get a flow in a different way all these cortisol molecules are vibrating less. You know. They sort of they get kind of compensated by molecules that the brain will release and, incidentally, by oxytocin as well, which makes you feel better, relaxes you. So in doing that, you will feel better and you look better. You know what happens when you feel stressed. Often you feel kind of tense and you kind of go red because you get vasodilation and so blood is more easily sort of seen under the skin. But if you sit down, you calm down, you are forcing your capillaries just to constrict. So what do you need to do? Drink some water, drink a glass of water and continue breathing. Do it for a few minutes, three, four minutes. If you can do more, it's fine. Then start moving your toes or moving your hands to force circulation. So waste byproducts from all these tensing processes that get into our body start being leveraged off and they go out into the kidneys and the liver and they get excreted out. So you've had some water.
Speaker 1:Go and have something to eat that will give you some sugar, because your brain will need sugar, but you don't want to have sugar dependency. So you have a combination of your carbohydrates with some protein and with some lipids and you can. You know, like, for instance, I'm a vegetarian you don't have to eat animals to have these things. You can eat just a plant-based diet and that will give you some energy. So you reset your brain and gives you some energy as well for your body to start dealing with all the stuff going on.
Speaker 1:But it's not instant. This happens today and you still feel tense in an hour's time. Keep breathing, keep drinking water. Yes, it means you will have to pass more water. That's okay, nothing wrong with that. But just keep doing and you start changing the way in which you respond to stress, changing the way in which you respond to stress, and you'll start recognizing.
Speaker 1:Actually, when I eat some fruit or I have a salad, I actually feel so much lighter. Why? Because those foods also happen to have quite a lot of water. They also have quite a lot of antioxidants that help the cells to move the waste by products when products, topical products can be useful. If you want to really address specific issues like, think of the collagen and the elastin that's on our skin and it breaks down all the time, and one of the ingredients which is, I I think, is amazing, it's bakuchiol, which is the plant equivalent of retinol. Bakuchiol has so many actions, but it inhibits the enzymes that break down the collagen and elastin. So if you have products that have bakuchiol and you are applying them, and if you have a diet that is rich in the antioxidants in the water, you know. So you have a mixture of your green vegetables when you're reds and you have your citrus. So all of those are going from inside and you are helping from the outside. You are improving the condition of your skin.
Speaker 1:But it takes time for these ingredients to go in, even though it feels like, oh, I don't have anything on my skin must be going in east, but your skin is complex, so there's no guarantees that it will go to the right area, so you have to keep applying, but you're doing it in such a way it's like breathing You're not aware that you breathe because it's an unconscious kind of process. So slow down, be mindful of how you're breathing, because when you do that you're helping your body to focus on you. But I have to quickly go do this and I have to fix up Two minutes, two minutes all it takes. Every couple of an hour or a couple of hours, one or two hours, just two minutes. If people did that to help themselves, they would be more relaxed and actually they'll have a little bit more humor. They'll be able to see that there's a lot of messages around them that just don't make sense.
Speaker 1:So, diet, yes, water yes, but you don't have to be a saint, you don't have to be a goody-goody two-shoes. Make a choice, go and select foods that you would know are good for you. You wouldn't just eat bananas, would you? Or strawberries, or pineapples. I know that there's been a pineapple diet which is sort of like gad, you know, crazy. Or like Steve Jobs. For years he went through the phase of just eating apples, hence apple like eating an apple. But no, you don't do that. You have a balanced diet. Your lifestyle needs to be balanced. Yes, sometimes we have more stress than others, but know how you respond to stress and when you feel you're getting more stressed, go and do something that you know de-stresses you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a different story when you're in a war zone. I totally get it. It's a different story when you have a kid that's sick. Kid that's sick. But even if you just embrace what you're doing with someone to help, them, you're doing something, yeah.
Speaker 2:So what we've kind of, I guess, covered so far is, yes, it's important what you put on your skin, but it's as important, if not more important, what you put on your skin but also how you respond to your environment in terms of how you manage stress as well, because you know stress has an effect on the hormonal system. You know every system in our body is linked to every other system.
Speaker 1:You can't separate them yeah, yeah it, yeah, it's the same circulation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of my teachers suggests, if it's on your skin, you're drinking it, right as you alluded to earlier, our skin is semi-permeable.
Speaker 2:We absorb what we put on our skin. And this is one of the messages I try to get across to people in these social media groups who are kind of saying you know, I've just started using this product, it's not working. I've started using this product and now I'm getting these symptoms. And you know I spend most of my time really trying to get across the same message. If you're putting toxins on your skin to solve a problem that's caused by toxins on the inside of your skin, it's not really going to get the job done and, secondly, it doesn't actually treat the root cause of the problem. So you know what you're saying about nutrition, hydration, de-stressing and sleep is another really important factor, because you know our tissues only recover when we're asleep, and good quality sleep as well.
Speaker 2:So, whilst I try to change people's mindset away from let's stop just putting toxic things on your skin or even taking toxic pharmaceuticals to mask the symptoms, let's call it that. Pharmaceuticals to mask the symptoms, let's. Let's call it that. The other aspect for me is that what you put on your skin putting things on your skin to improve your skin for me is like the, the cherry on top of the cake. So you're dealing with the inside and the outside, but the the crucial thing is whatever you put on your skin, make sure it's not toxic, because all you're doing, even if the things do suppress the symptoms and quite often, from my experience, they don't if they do suppress the symptoms, you're just kicking the problem down the road.
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Speaker 1:Yes, the other thing is people don't realize sometimes the toxins actually don't harm the skin at all, don't do anything for the skin, don't irritate, but they go into the circulatory system and they continue in our body until they find a little nook. Often these molecules don't get excreted easily. They're quite complexly charged and they just adhere to areas, and this is what we don't understand. So when later on in your life you develop some form of inflammation or some malignancy and there's no indication in the family why this should be, oh, it's chance, maybe. Yes, maybe it's chance, but maybe it's also as a result of an accumulation of some exposure which you weren't conscious of. So the rule of thumb should be put as little on that you don't know about. You wouldn't go out of your way to eat hemlock, would you? Or some sort of plant that gives you urticaria or something like that. So do the same thing with skincare products. But the irony of these things with skincare, you know, people like I've said to you, raise the fact that you know it's all placebo. The irony is a lot of these products, the ingredients that are supposedly going to be giving rise to a modification, to an improvement on the skin, don't even get to where they need to and there is a placebo effect because people believe that their skin has improved. But there's always those where you know, nothing happens. So if nothing happens, if your skin has not improved and, by the way, sometimes the skin with some products deteriorates and then improves, that can happen. But if it doesn't improve at all, it just kind of lingers and lingers. Isn't that telling you that you're doing something that is not helping you? It's like you've got a bump on your head and I'll just bump my head on the wall just to get a bump on the other side. It's not helping the fact that you've got a bump on your head. So if something is not changing, why do you keep doing the same thing? So you've got to take cognizance.
Speaker 1:But it comes down to this having a little bit of confidence to say well, do I need to just believe what someone says? Oh, but I don't know enough. I don't have enough knowledge, for goodness sake. With all the information out there, we can ask and when in doubt, just use something simple. I recently got a new customer and this person amazed me because she said she used to use some herbalist products and this person no longer does them and she looked at so many organic products but they still have so much stuff that she wouldn't use. And she's found us and of course, we're not ranked on the first Google page and whatever. So she was grateful and I suddenly thought how many people are there that, like this person, would want to have something that is simpler? But you see, she had the volition to keep going. She saw these products that she thought don't want to, so she kept going until maybe it was page three or four that she found this. Kept going until maybe it was page three or four that she found us.
Speaker 1:But it's such a pity that people are now so busy and they're telling you that they're so busy they can't think they haven't got the desire, because it's a choice. You can make a choice. Okay, I'm busy, I'll stop now and I'm going to find something that I want. But we're so roped by the social media wave that everything is instant. I saw a video the other day about Google ads and everything explained in 10 minutes, and this person was going on about that. It has to have this hook, this, this hook, because then you instantly get people. See, there you are, you instantly get people, but are they getting what they need? They probably aren't. And you see the cases where, oh, it's not working. And the thing is, do, do share with people. The longer they expose their skin to things that are not working, the longer it takes to reverse what isn't working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I went through 18 years of putting things on my skin that wasn't working and was making it worse yeah, but it's, you know.
Speaker 1:So you've got to make a decision and start from from scratch, even go really simple, just even if you're going through the, you know, but my skin looks awful. No, your skin is going through a phase, it's, it's as long as it's not making you want to scratch all the time, because that's very unfortunate. It's treat, treatable, but it takes time.
Speaker 2:So, just going back to what we both see, there's a lot of people out there. They're putting things on their skin. Quite often it's toxic, quite often it's carcinogenic. What would be some kind of ideal nutrients, ingredients that should be in skincare products, in your opinion?
Speaker 1:I always go back to the oil blends that have the essential fatty acids that we need for good cellular function. And I know I'm going to mention some nutty oils, and you know they're issues. Some people can't take nuts, but you know. So just bear with me. Macadamia oil, coconut oil and I'll put the seeds slightly apart, jojoba are very good oils that have fatty acid composition very similar to our lipid bilayers very similar to our lipid bilayers. So if you don't want to wear any skincare, you could literally get some of these oils from the supermarket. And even if you just go, say, with the three of them coconut oil, macadamia oil and jojoba just a tablespoon of each, blend them up and apply to the skin, yes, it will feel slightly oily, but it will disappear. Oh and, by the way, olive oil is very good as well, but it does leave a funny scent on your skin. Now, the most important component of olive oil that benefits the skin is something called squalene. Oil that benefits the skin is something called squalene. Unfortunately, when you buy the olive oil, you don't know how to extract squalene. I don't know either. I have to buy squalene separately. So this is why I'm not advocating that you use olive oil. But if you are allergic to nuts so we have macadamia nut and we have coconut then you can use the oils from the seeds flax seeds and you can use borage seed. They don't smell particularly good, but they provide that barrier that is important. They also are composed of fatty acids that have the omega-6s, and the omega-9s is in the right ratio. I would not use corn oil. Corn oil has 40 times more omega-6s than what we need. Sunflower oil yes, it's fine, but you'll feel it's quite a funny smell as well. So if you want to look at sort of very fundamental things that you can get in the supermarket, that's fine. Now, where a skincare product, a cream, which is an emulsion, wins over just having oils, is that they're made up of waxes that are less absorbed in your skin. So if you put the oils on your skin, the oils will go in deeply at different rates depending on the oil whether it is saturated, polyunsaturated, etc. It's different rates. But these waxes that form the emulsifiers and there are some natural approved emulsifiers that are derived from olive oil they're absolutely fine. There are synthetic emulsifiers that you don't want to use. But if you have those waxes, the value of the wax, oh, and I'll suggest the wax in a minute. Let me just explain. The value of the wax is that because they're bulky molecules, they maintain a layer on top and help to prevent dehydration. If you just apply the oils, you have to keep applying because they will be absorbed. So that's the flip side.
Speaker 1:Someone with eczema sometimes they might have to kind of get rid of that very crusty, uncomfortable layer, and I wouldn't use major exfoliators. There's a very simple way to deal with that. If they're not allergic to oats, make a mixture of oats, and if they're not allergic to yogurt or dairy products, make a mixture of the two and add a little bit of coarse salt, just a little, just a pinch. So you're making a paste like a very stodgy porridge and you rub that. It hydrates the skin. The oats have a molecule that is a vein that helps to slough off and the salt helps to peel away. So simple things like that if they don't want to go for any other sort of components.
Speaker 1:Now, this wax that I was going to tell you about, for people that need to really have a layer on top, there is something that you can get, not at the supermarket, but it's available on the internet. It's candelilla wax. Candelilla wax is very hard and it's very protective. It's from cactus in the desert, it's from Mexico and sort of New Mexico, those areas in the US, and you can just rub a layer on top, you know, sort of like you spread and then you massage it. It's much more waterproofing than the oils, but it helps to have the crusts of the eczema relieved.
Speaker 1:Now a disclaimer here for people that are super, super, super sensitive. This is the irony of the whole thing. Sometimes they need the ingredients that are made from petroleum products, because the petroleum products, like the vaselines, the natural petrol vaselines do not have any effect on the skin, so they're completely inert, but they provide a kind of like a layer of lard and sometimes for those people that's where they need to go and that's the basis of using the pharmacy water cream, the Eucerin. That's the principle. It's a petrochemical because it does not stimulate the skin at all, so the immune system doesn't respond, whereas if you have something like an oil that is from a seed or from a nut, we'll have the fatty acids but will also have phytosterols, which are very similar to our steroid molecules, and so our immune system thinks, oh, there's something here, it's okay. But if you're super sensitive sometimes it's not a good idea. So this is everything needs to be taken into consideration. So now you can see why I balance science and soul.
Speaker 2:What about tallow? Because that's used a lot I see now in skin products.
Speaker 1:Yes, so tallow. So because I'm a vegetarian I can't use it. But candelilla wax is the equivalent of honey, so it's a very dense. I suppose it's like a wax. It's almost like it's a fat cartilage type of substance, because that's what it is. It's holding our skeletal muscle in structure so our muscles don't flop over. Tendons have some of it, and because there's so much from the abattoirs, that's where that comes.
Speaker 1:But I won't use it just on principle, because I don't eat animals so for those people that don't want to eat animals and they don't want tallow candelilla in terms of your products.
Speaker 2:Do you want to talk just a little bit about your products and why and why they're different from other products?
Speaker 1:so, first of all, I don't I'm very particular with the source of the ingredients, the oils or the waxes, the emulsifiers and everyone says they are. That's good. I will blend the oils that are part of the oily component to have the ratio of all the fatty acids and the phytosterols that we need. I don't use fractionated oils, so the synthetic oils, effectively what they are, is to have olive oil broken apart into all of its components, because the components become odorless and then they can make products with whatever scent they want. I prefer to use the proper oils, which means there is an odor associated with the product. I do use preservatives. They are approved. The preservatives that are approved are a derivative of the fruits from the rowan trees. That's what sorbate is. So it's now made in the lab, but it's still according to the same chemical formulation and everything is chemical. I've now gone completely. No essential oils at all. Let's start with essential oils, because some essential oils relax you, but there's so much abuse of essential oils that people feel that you know that's a fragrance. Well, it's not, but because of confusions I've totally stopped using essential oils. So it means the products have a smell of some time of the oil, some time of the extract, but they're not perfumed in any way. Of the extract, but they're not perfumed in any way. The preservative, the hydroacetic acid and the sorbet have a slight sort of almondy scent and that's what you've got to contend. I don't mask and I make them so that they are. So we have a sort of a group of products that are basic, essential for someone wanting to look after their skin. And then I have the richer day and night cream for those that want to be one step up. But if you want to start just with something simple, it's a gentle daily moisturizer. You can use it in the morning, you can use it in the evening. Just go simple.
Speaker 1:Make sure that you've cleaned your face properly. You can use a cleanser. We do have cleansers that are no, they don't have any foaming agents, because the foam and when you create foam it takes oxygen from your skin and it takes then hydrogen as well and dehydrates your skin. That's why you get a kind of a pooled state when you're washing with some detergent or soap. So we don't have any of those, we're just using the oil. The oils sometimes are surfactants, like coconut oil is an excellent surfactant. But if you don't want to use that. Actually, you don't need to. You can use a face cloth with warm water warm tepid water and you wipe your face repeatedly. Yes, it does take time. It's not one wipe, sometimes it could be 10 or 12 wipes, but at the end, when you pat it, your skin is clean. The coarseness of the face cloth has also helped to dislodge some of the cells that are at the top of the skin that are ready to come off, and then you wash your face cloth, dry it for the next day ready.
Speaker 1:Going back to simple things, if you apply makeup, you have to clean your face at the end of the day. Never go to bed with makeup ever, and especially if you've got some breakouts, you know they've got to remove them. The other thing this is not so much part of the skincare, but just talking about breakouts If you want to ensure that the breakout is well looked after there is something that I've got, an article that I haven't released yet. It's in my drafts folder the hand sanitizer. Like we've all got used to using a hand sanitizer during COVID, put a drop of the hand sanitizer on a cotton bud, so it's got a mixture of alcohol and disinfectants and then you put the cotton bud just on top of that whitehead, the sort of inflamed area. Just do it once and then, if you want to do another one, take the other side of the cotton bud clean and you do another one. So never cross-infect from one to the other and wait 24 hours, do it again the next day and you can do it up to about three times. Sometimes that just helps to have some very inflamed areas to go down. And the reason why the disinfectant and the alcohol is very useful at controlling the growth of the bacteria that are kind of going anaerobic and they're going wild and the pus, it's because your immune system is sending macrophages and white blood cells to go and eat them and they're having a bit of a fight, they're dying, and sometimes the alcohol and the disinfectant in those hand sanitizers just helps to clear. Please do not apply over your face, it's just on the spot.
Speaker 1:And apart from that, if you want something that is really deeper, we're about to launch our Bacuchiol serum. It's an amazing serum, both for as an anti-aging well, not so much anti-aging, but to keep your because this is a funny anti-aging but to keep your skin looking as good as you can as you are maturing, as well as to help regulate the oil content in your glands, in your sebaceous glands. So it's good. This is an example good for oily skins and it's good for dry skins, aging skins, but it's coming. We're waiting for our bottles. It's the first product that we're making with silk screen on the bottles, because we don't use packaging. We use face cloth as packaging and we wanted not to have a label on the bottles, so a glass bottle is fully recyclable and we've been waiting. They're coming, they're coming. We've been waiting for them to arrive anyway. But very simple and you can have 20 products, but you can do everything with yeah, two, three.
Speaker 2:One of the things you mentioned was a sunscreen. Now, obviously the thing, the thing that I would advise people to do is to not put sunscreen on before they go out into the sun. I think it's very important to get some direct sunlight for maybe 10- 15 minutes before you put anything on, because obviously, vitamin D is very important and you don't want to block that process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I wouldn't worry too much because within an hour the sunscreen is gone. So if you use sunscreen, you actually need to apply it every hour, regardless of the SPF. And that is because some is absorbed, some falls off because of the wind or perspiration and some gets rubbed off. But the other thing is that, especially with skins with breakouts and acne, the only sunscreen they should have is one with zinc dioxide. They should not use anything else, and zinc oxide is an amazing molecule that really regulates the skin. We have lots of zinc in our bodies, so it's not toxic, don't have to worry about it, but it helps to regulate with their breakouts. As you know, if you probably mind, you too young to remember this, but in the olden days moms used to put zinc oxide in the bottoms of babies for nappy rash, and it's exactly it. You know, it's a great stabilizer. But the one thing that I must say with sunscreens we only have an SPF 10, and that is because it's actually quite complicated to have one with a higher SPF level and we just don't have the capacity to buy the ingredients to do all the regulatory process because it's just too much. So I do just the SPF 10.
Speaker 1:But I always advise people to do two things. One is you wear a hat, need to wear a hat, and especially men that are now shaving their heads. You know there's a lot of skin, a lot of skin that's exposed, and on your shoulders as well, so make sure you've got a hat. Whether you use an SPF 10 or SPF 100, you need to have a good amount of sunscreen on your face and you need to apply it every one to two hours at least. After two hours it's gone. So that is inconvenient if you're a female, and if you put your foundation and now you have to do all your makeup again, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:So walk on the shady side of the buildings If the sun is shining. Wherever you are, turn your back so that you're getting the sun on the back, not on your face. If you are gardening, make sure that you have some long sleeves. I'm Latin. My skin is darker than yours. In New Zealand, when I garden, I use long sleeves because I go red. I never go red in Portugal. I go red. I never go red in Portugal, but the sun in New Zealand, australia, because of the thinner ozone layer, is cruel.
Speaker 2:We don't have that problem in England.
Speaker 1:No, no, but I understand why you recommend that you need some vitamin.
Speaker 2:C, vitamin D.
Speaker 1:Sorry, vitamin D. Sorry, vitamin D, and you're absolutely right. But after an hour you've lost it. And the only one that you don't lose is when people use blockout. You know the cricket players, they roll it, that's the different story. But all sunscreens will go. And the other thing is quite interesting. I found this out just by accident recently. So when they do the um, when they do the, the grading of whether it is spf 20, 30, whatever it's based on the thickness as well, and I can you no one is applying as thick layer as their shoes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so it's. But you know, wear hats. So you see, you see, in my wall here I have lots of hats and I mean it's summer, winter, summer, summer, and I wear lots of hats because I do lots of things. But I really think a hat is important and fair. People just need to be careful, especially in the middle of the day. You know, at the end of the day, after four o'clock you're probably okay, or before 10. It's that 10 to 4.
Speaker 1:I tend to wear a hat if I'm playing tennis and it's a really hot sunny day, but we don't get many of those anymore, unfortunately yeah, I mean the last time I wore sunscreen was 2019 when I was on holiday yeah, well, if you, if you're going to be on the beach and if you're going to be sweating no, it makes makes sense, but, um, if you moving, like when you're playing a game, it's slightly different, but it's the fact that you're so black.
Speaker 2:I don't tend to burn anyway, I tend to just go brown.
Speaker 1:But you're lucky, see, because, yeah, you're lucky, yeah, because you're very fair.
Speaker 2:I think the lighting is making me look a lot fairer than I probably really am.
Speaker 1:But your eyes are blue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my eyes are blue.
Speaker 1:So you be careful because the UV can also damage your retina. And the other thing is just one tip I'm going to show you with a white piece of paper. I just need to get a white piece of paper. To show you with a white piece of paper. Just need to get a white piece of paper. So if you're wearing light clothing in the sun, lighter than what I'm wearing, just think of what the sun is doing to your face. It's reflecting from your shirts, white shirts, so you're getting exposed all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I learned a harsh lesson about reflection of the sun when I was living in australia. I once spent an entire day in a swimming pool and from the water yeah, yes, then I, then I did that's the worst sunburn I've ever had in my life, and it was that was horrendous oh yeah, you and, and you know that that is the damage that we do that only shows 20 or 30 years later. Yeah, that was longer than that ago. That was over 30 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I got away with that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no. So you don't want to do that repeatedly. Very harsh sunlight here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no which is lovely, you know.
Speaker 1:Look, look, don't take me wrong. We don't get enough of it in new zealand, so don't take me wrong.
Speaker 2:I love it, but it's just, I'm conscious that I have to be careful yeah, yeah, I mean, my view on sun is you know, we're in spring here. I've just gone back to playing tennis and the way that I tend to do it, I just gradually increase my time in the sun, rather than you know okay, yes, yeah you know, and then normally by june time I've got a nice tan and and I'm normally quite you know, I only cope quite well with the sun actually I.
Speaker 1:I just want to raise something around having a good tan. There are a few products on the market that are pills to increase the level of melanin on our skin and some people have asked me if it's okay to use them. I would be very wary to use them as a substitute for sunscreen, because these people are so excited that they now don't have to be concerned about garment soiling, because they just eat. There is no guarantee that you're going to get uniform coverage. I mean, and how much do you need to consume before you have a layer of melanin that is evenly distributed and of the thickness you need? So I would not advise people to take melanin-enhancing pills. And the other thing is look, there are forms of malignancy skin cancer that are associated with melanin being overproduced. Why do we want to chance that? I just think it's nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Wear a hat sunscreen. Stay away. Leave the melanin-enhancing pills in the shelf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've never made sense to me.
Speaker 1:I'm amazed. But people say it's so convenient it doesn't spoil my clothes.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a quick fix, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a saying. You know, convenience kills.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely Well, we can cure all our ailments in life by this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's a price to pay, but so what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so. So what's next for you, Fernanda?
Speaker 1:Really want to go on this campaign to educate more people rather than making more products, and I think as I get older, that is more important. I would love to also be able to write my book, and to do that I need to have more time free. At the moment my time is quite constrained, but I'd love to write my book. I'm surrounded by books. I love books, I love reading. Unfortunately, I still like to cut trees. I like paper books, but I do have a Kindle. But books are good and I would love to have the ability to make noise not noise in the sense of not noise to attract attention, but if I could attract people's willingness to come on the journey to help young people to feel better about themselves. I was very insecure as a kid and I know what it's, but it's, you know, we'll see. We'll see what's. I'm open to the universe, but we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where can people find you online?
Speaker 1:I'm on. You know my website.
Speaker 2:Do you want to share the URL for your website?
Speaker 1:Yes, I've provided you mean say it to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you could say it now, that'd be great.
Speaker 1:So obviously wwwazulisconz. So it's A-Z-U-R like Azure, l-i-s, conz and if you by mistake do com, I have that domain as well and it's conz, so it will get to me and you'll see my picture on the website. I'm also on Instagram and I'm on Facebook, although I'm not a great Facebooker, I'm not a great social media person. I'm on LinkedIn as well. My name but if anyone Googles my name, they'll find me, google's my name, they'll find me and my email address.
Speaker 1:If anyone has any questions and I mean it any questions about you want to buy a product and you don't know what the ingredients mean, take a photo of the ingredients with your mobile and email it to me at fernandaazurlisconz and say can you give me an idea of are these ingredients acceptable or is there something that I should avoid here? Or are they just complicated names? Because each ingredient will have what is called an inky name, which is a nomenclature name for the product, and sometimes they have chemical names that sound awful and they're not. But what you want to avoid are ingredients that end in O-N-S, e-n-s and owns, because those are the parabens, those are the silicones. You want to avoid anything like that, but it's difficult to explain to people, so I'm very happy for people email me from the UK not a fancy email, just say I took this picture. Is there anything that I should watch out bad or good and then I'll reply.
Speaker 2:Awesome, that's great.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, send me a text message on my mobile.
Speaker 2:Awesome, that's great, fernanda. Obrigado for coming on the show.
Speaker 1:Nantane de kei, which means don't mention it. It's a pleasure. It's been a pleasure talking to you, Lee, and I really admire what you're doing In your network groups. If anyone has questions, just bounce them. Yeah, simple products that you can get from the supermarket will be okay, and candelilla wax instead of Telo.
Speaker 2:Gotcha yeah. For the vegans yeah, awesome. So that's all from Fernanda and me for this week, but don't forget to join me same time, same place next week on the Radical Health Rebel Podcast. Thanks for tuning in, remember to give the show a rating and a review, and I'll see you next time.
